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Tim Tebow saves a fans life in the AFL?

Discussion in 'MLB Discussion' started by soxhop411, Aug 9, 2016.

  1. Red(s)HawksFan

    Red(s)HawksFan Member SoSH Member

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    It's less that he's an embarrassment, and more that him getting the level of attention he gets is an embarrassment. As you say, 3/4 of Salem's current roster are as much a prospect as he is. None of them are going to be noted, let alone a headline story, on Sportscenter if they manage to get "called up" from Greenville.
     
  2. E5 Yaz

    E5 Yaz Transcends message boarding Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    And none of them will be 30 next month
     
  3. jon abbey

    jon abbey Shanghai Warrior Dope SoSH Member

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    Exactly, anyone else his age would have been released long ago. At least Alderson said he won't be called up to the bigs in September, but we'll see.
     
  4. foulkehampshire

    foulkehampshire hillbilly suburbanite SoSH Member

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    I get the whole Tebow fatigue but part of me would love to see him legitimately succeed and make it to the bigs just to stick it to MJ.
     
  5. Average Reds

    Average Reds Well-Known Member Gold Supporter SoSH Member

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    As people have pointed out, he's 30 next month. Age is a huge component of what defines a legitimate prospect, so your claim is false on its face.

    Look, the Mets are free to do what they want with their farm system. And I'll acknowledge that if/when they call him up, they'll reap some extreme promotional benefits. But I'm not going to pretend that makes the whole lot of them anything other than cynical con artists.
     
  6. Average Reds

    Average Reds Well-Known Member Gold Supporter SoSH Member

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    If he made it on merit, it would (and should) be a huge story.
     
  7. moondog80

    moondog80 heart is two sizes two small SoSH Member

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    I don't think Tebow is a legit prospect, but isn't his 30 not the same as a typical 30 year old baseball player, given that it's been whatever many years since he last played real baseball?
     
  8. Plympton91

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    Why does it matter if he's 30 or 26 like Jose Sermo at Salem? Is Jose Sermo taking the spot of a more deserving player too? There are hundreds of people in the low minors who have no prayer of making the majors. Why shouldn't a team give a spot to a Heisman Trophy winner instead of some no name, little talent hanger on who got drafted in the 30th round 4 years ago? The Heisman winner is generating revenue not only for the team, but for the vendors at the minor league parks who get extra sales from the attendance spike, for the municipal parks g garaGes serving the stadiums where he draws an extra 500 cars a night. And maybe among the thousands of extra kids whose parents bridng them to game a hundred or so decide to play baseball or softball instead of lacrosse or soccer.

    But I get it. Liberals can't stand that his mother was told she should have an abortion, and diidnt. The more notoiety Tim Tebow gets, the more people hear that story. And that's bad. Because Something something choice.
     
  9. VORP Speed

    VORP Speed Well-Known Member Gold Supporter SoSH Member

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    Anyone else his age would have been in the minors for a decade. Age is normally a big part of how a prospect is defined, but that assumes a continuous development process. Was Rick Ankiel not a prospect because he was a 26 yr old in single A? If you take an extended leave from the sport or switch from pitching to hitting or flame out as a real pitcher and start throwing a knuckleball, etc, it's pretty obvious that impacts how your age is factored into the equation.
     
  10. jon abbey

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    I mean, all of that is true, but even Ankiel had 1000 big league ABs by the time he was Tebow's age. That being said, I don't actually have an opinion on this, so good luck to him.
     
  11. HriniakPosterChild

    HriniakPosterChild Well-Known Member Gold Supporter SoSH Member

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    He's going to turn 35 as fast as a 30 year old who's been playing minor league baseball since getting drafted.

    Also 36, 37, 38, 39 and 40.

    And Father Time is hard to outsmart, even if you go to bed early and say your prayers instead of going out carousing.
     
  12. Lose Remerswaal

    Lose Remerswaal Leaves after the 8th inning Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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  13. Average Reds

    Average Reds Well-Known Member Gold Supporter SoSH Member

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    They can absolutely do this. I'm not sure what your point is.

    Again, this is a straw man, as I explicitly stated that I understood why the Mets are doing this and the value they expect to get from it.

    Like most of what you post, this is simply beneath contempt.

    The truth is the right wing fanatics with a skewed perspective on what religion means (like yourself) are the ones having difficulty accepting reality. Saint Timmy is such an icon that you have become the most delicate of snowflakes, unable to bear it when Tebow is called out for being the craven opportunist he is rather than being taken seriously.

    My disdain for Tebow's quest has to do with the unseemly nature of the self-interested, hype-driven alliance between ESPN, the Mets and Tebow. You can agree or disagree with that, but leave the intellectually dishonest arguments in V&N where they belong.
     
    #263 Average Reds, Jul 18, 2017 at 7:24 AM
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  14. Plympton91

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    Leaving aside the V&N bullshit, I guess I take issue with the last paragraph. What is it about this revenue generating, mutually beneficial transaction that drives you nuts? Tebow isn't "blocking" anybody, and that's the only criticism I can see as valid. Otherwise, it's something that brings more casual fans more often. There's nothing about the sports or business aspects to complain about. indeed, there was nowhere near this level of vitriol directed at Michael Jordan, and I followed his quixotic quest with the same rooting interest. Which is why I think it is exactly the left-wing V&N angle at play here.
     
  15. Average Reds

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    As I posted earlier, if Tebow were ever called up to the majors based on merit, it would (and should) be an astounding story. But we already know that this isn't going to be the case. He is where he is because the Mets and Tebow want to exploit his rabid followers.

    That is his right. And if I were in his position, I'd probably do exactly what he's doing. But the media attention that is given to him is so over-the-top ridiculous that it turns me off.

    For the record, Jordan is a great comp, because the media was as dishonest in reporting his attempt to switch sports as they (OK, ESPN) are now with Tebow. And while I didn't begrudge Jordan for his attempt, I didn't take it seriously either.

    I would never have responded to your original post if not for the drive-by V&N comment. (Which, in your classic style, you claimed to "leave aside" before reiterating it.) And with that, I will leave this thread.
     
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  16. Fred not Lynn

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    A relevant and timely comp could also be Eddy Alvarez at Birmingham (AA - White Sox). The 2014 Olympic medalist in short track was signed as an undrafted free agent after the 2014 draft, and while he gets his share of note for his transition from another sport, he's seems to be earning his progress within the White Sox system despite having spent a chunk of time away from baseball (and being a bit older than most of his teammates and opponents).

    http://m.milb.com/milb/player/657193

    He got promoted to AAA at the tail end of last season, and held his own, but started this year back in Birmingham (quite possibly a victim of the Moncada trade). He's had a slower start this year, and was passed over for promotion when Moncada got called up, so I am not sure what his trajectory is at this point.
     
  17. DrewDawg

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    Tebow since call-up: .317/.398/.549, OPS of .947. His K/W ratio has dropped from nearly 3:1 to 2:1.

    That OPS would be 2nd in league if he had enough PAs, but clearly he doesn't (only 91), but only 15 players in league have OPS over .800.

    He's hitting the ball in the air a lot more and it's paying off.

    He still leads the league in birthdays.
     
  18. E5 Yaz

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    And it's not even December
     

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