It's been a few days now... How many deaths were attributed to this?Omar's Wacky Neighbor said:
This will be Derek Jeter's final season
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JohntheBaptist said:
What's fascinating to me is how this phenomenon has spread out past the Yankee fan base. I get revering "your" guy. We all do it. We raise David Ortiz to demi-god status around here. Pedro's name shall not be taken in vain. Ted Williams has ascended to Valhalla as Mimir... ect. But with Jeter, you can get fans from any fan base frothing at the mouth by mentioning that his five gold gloves were a joke. I just finished a debate via text message with a friend who is a San Diego Padres fan who considers pointing out that Jeter has mostly sucked as a defender in his career to be "stringing him up" because I'm a "Jeter hater." When asked to explain how, outside of being an excellent hitter, the media attention this year and at the All Star game could be justified, his rebuttal was a listing of his offensive numbers, a mention of model girlfriends, playing the game the right way, no PED's and that he is respected by his fellow players. If I didn't know him personally, I would think he was parodying Yankees fans.
"Old school" baseball fans, by and large, love Jeter. He's sort of the poster child for the push back against sabermetrics. Like Nolan Ryan, you either look at Jeter and see a shining beacon of greatness or you have your head buried too deep in a spreadsheet to "get it." How many other players in the history of sports who were not at least arguably the best player of their generation have been adored across fan affiliations like this? The first example that leaps to mind is David Beckham. I'm having trouble coming up with a second one, though.
Maybe it's just the nature of the internet age where everyone has a voice and it's really tough to stand out from the crowd without going against the grain. Groupthink is swallowing entire chunks of the internet whole every minute of every day, so why should it be any different with sports? In a way, the phenomenon transcends Jeter, which I find sort of... poetic.
Snodgrass said:
Just in case anyone hasn't read it, this piece by Junior from Fire Joe Morgan tearing apart Jim Caple for looking for a reason to elevate Jeter is one of the funniest baseball pieces I have ever read.
Just to note ahead of time, it doesn't rip on Jeter per se. Rather, it tears apart the atavistic tendencies of some baseball writers and in this case, Jeter is deployed as evidence that there is something wrong with the new analytics, and the argument descends into absurdity which Junior just eviscerates. Well worth a couple minutes of your time--I think I've read it a dozen times over the years.
FarvinMoosey said:
To be fair, Manny might actually be the anti-Christ. He was our anti-Christ, though, so it's okay.
I had someone use "look how many nicknames he has" as a counter argument to me suggesting he was over rated.
jon abbey said:
I'm not a Yankees fan, so I could be mistaken, but I don't think that's a nickname. It's more of a statement.
rembrat said:
It's really just "Mr. November" and "The Captain." "Mr. November" is hinging on one moment (which is apparently one of Jeter's "skills"), but I guess it qualifies. And then there's "The Captain" which is fairly weaksauce, but like his range, tends to carry him further in the minds of his adoring fans than it does in reality.
Our nicknames for him don't count, I'm assuming. Which isn't fair. Captain Intangibles. Ol' Calm Eyes. Fucking POS.
Ps--it wasn't often, but I'd say DJ was the best Yankee on his team in '99. Probably should have finished #2 to Pedro in the MVP that year.
Ps--it wasn't often, but I'd say DJ was the best Yankee on his team in '99. Probably should have finished #2 to Pedro in the MVP that year.
Times Derek Jeter Was A Captain
1) Newly imported and all around jolly lefthand pitcher David Wells shows his disgust at a blooper that was misplayed. The Captain, informs David that things are not done like that here.
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That's all I got. Anyone else want to take a stab at it?
1) Newly imported and all around jolly lefthand pitcher David Wells shows his disgust at a blooper that was misplayed. The Captain, informs David that things are not done like that here.
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That's all I got. Anyone else want to take a stab at it?
I'm still not sure what a baseball captain actually does. Not just Jeter. Any captain. And how many are there, anyway?
update: Jeter, Konerko and Wright. Yanks didn't have one from 1939 to whenever The Boss annointed Munson.
update: Jeter, Konerko and Wright. Yanks didn't have one from 1939 to whenever The Boss annointed Munson.
rembrat said:
Only a captain would dive into the stands after making a catch in fair territory causing him to get a cut on his cheek, forcing ARod to play SS and Sheffield to play 3B. Come on, you're better than this.
glennhoffmania said:
He was just trying to appease all you haters by letting ARod play shortstop. Jeter just can't win.
glennhoffmania said:
Number three is "That time his captainy aura made Giambi forget to slide so that his relay on a bad throw would result in an out at the plate."
I think the best example was when the pop up fell between him and ARod and he just stared at ARod. He didn't yell. He didn't scream. He didn't throw his glove in disgust. Many people thought he was giving ARod a dirty look, but what he was really doing was using his eyes to pass along some wisdom to ARod to use in the event a similar play occurred in the future. It was always about making the team better.
Papelbon's Poutine said:
Jeter was absolutely not out of position on that play. In fact, he was exactly where he should have been. Tino Martinez was the guy out of position on the cut-off throw.
Jeter did not have great range, especially later in his career, but he may have had the best fundamentals I've ever seen at SS. He was always in position, threw to the right base on cut-offs, turned double plays flawlessly, etc. And as a hitter playing a premium defensive position he hit .320 .391 .466 in 8356 PA from 1998 - 2009 (12 seasons). The fucking guy was amazing, maybe my favorite Yankee ever (close with Mariano, but I'd rather swim in Jeter's pool).
Frisbetarian said:
Yeah. This thread is fun but it gets a lil embarrassing sometimes. "Out of position." Give me a break.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if they practiced at least a variation of that play. With a man on first if a ball is hit past the right fielder into the corner, the 2nd baseman becomes the lead cut-off man, lining up with home plate. The first baseman is supposed to be the secondary cut-off man, directing the second baseman and watching the runners. The SS's job is to stay just to the first base side of the pitchers mound. From this position he can get back to 2nd in case there is a play there on an overrun, the runner falling down, or the runner trying to get back to the bag AND he is also in position in case the outfielder airmails both cut-off men. In the famous Jeter play, Tino Martinez lined up way too close to Soriano - he should have been between home and 1st - and when Spencer's throw went over Soriano's head, Martinez was not in position to catch the ball. Luckily for the Yankees, Derek Jeter was in the correct position to field the overthrow and nail a really stupid Giambi (slide, dummy) at the plate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApoJk9X7Vto
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApoJk9X7Vto
jon abbey said:
Yeah, Jeter made a great play there. My gripe is that the only reason it mattered is that Giambi forgot to slide. If he was down, the flip was still a great play, but lost in obscurity as one of those "what if?" moments instead of something people trot out as evidence that Jeter deserved 5 gold gloves.
Lars The Wanderer said:
On a ball into the left field corner with a man on first, the SS is the primary/lead cut-off man and the 2nd baseman in the trail man. Scutaro was in perfect position, exactly where he was supposed to be, to make a play on a throw over the head of the SS. Jeter was not the trail/secondary cut off man on the play discussed above, the first baseman was. Jeter had two responsibilities on his play, be ready to either cover 2nd, or back up an airmailed throw from right. Both Scutaro and Jeter showed excellent awareness of the situation and executed perfect fundamentals on their respective plays.
On the Scutaro play, I would have loved to see if the right fielder came in to cover 2nd, which was his responsibility on the play. Willy Mo Pena, believe it or not, used to always get in and back up first and cover the bag when he was with the Sox.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dX1GUB3bKDA
EvilEmpire said:
"I mean, he sent me a gift basket, but he sends that to all of his opponents after every game, so it was hard to feel special just from that."
glennhoffmania said:
(sigh)
Many of my friends know that if we're out having drinks, all they have to do to rile me up is bring up that play. They know that within minutes, it's going to end with me pulling up the video on my phone, angrily shouting "THE BALL IS IN FUCKING *FAIR TERRITORY* FOR FUCK'S SAKE", finishing my drink, and storming out angrily while muttering something about Pokey Reese making a better catch in the same game and not launching himself into the stands.
Edit: As much as the hagiography drives me nuts, the criticism of the flip play is ridiculous. A subpar defender made an *outstanding* instinctual baseball play. Granted, it's all for naught if that fucking moron doesn't forget to slide, but it was an objectively great play.
Old Fart Tree said:
It's easy to find video of the Jeter catch, but the Pokey one is tough. The video below shows a glimpse of it at 2:06, but I'd love to see a better shot of the entire play. Pokey was in foul territory against the stands when he made his catch.
Pokey's catch at 2:06
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MljCO2Dp2g
And Jeter's
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seC63AEk4-8
Am I the only one surprised the dollar figure is this low?
Andrew Marchand @AndrewMarchand 1m
The average price of for Jeter's final home regular season game on Sept. 25 is $1,153.01, according to http://TiqIQ.com
Andrew Marchand @AndrewMarchand 1m
The average price of for Jeter's final home regular season game on Sept. 25 is $1,153.01, according to http://TiqIQ.com
At the Hall of Fame induction ceremony in Cooperstown yesterday, Joe Torre specifically addressed the Giambi tag play. He stated that his teams routinely practiced that exact play where both cutoff men are overthrown. He dismissed anyone saying otherwise as being ignorant of the truth.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/102170248
For $359.99, you can buy a plaque complete with "dirt capsules" from 30 stadiums to have a piece of the now-retired New York Yankees' shortstop career, the Daily Mail reported Monday.
The 20-by-32-inch collage, which features dirt authenticated by Major League Baseball and commemorates Jeter's 3,465 hits, is being offered by the Steiner Sports memorabilia website.
For $359.99, you can buy a plaque complete with "dirt capsules" from 30 stadiums to have a piece of the now-retired New York Yankees' shortstop career, the Daily Mail reported Monday.
The 20-by-32-inch collage, which features dirt authenticated by Major League Baseball and commemorates Jeter's 3,465 hits, is being offered by the Steiner Sports memorabilia website.
Oh, I get it. You get dirt capsules to commemorate Jeter's last years when he was leading the league in frequency of hitting ground balls.
Hasn't he made enough money so that he doesn't have to rip off ignorant fans by selling them used dirt?
I thought the dirt symbolized the dirt on his uniform after another futile dive for a ground ball that became a single.
Cashman wants to retire the captaincy of the NYY
This is the kind of shit that drives Sox fans crazy. Jeter is the leaderiest leader in the history of leaders so no one else could possibly be a captain of the NYY for the history of forever.
Seriously?
This is the kind of shit that drives Sox fans crazy. Jeter is the leaderiest leader in the history of leaders so no one else could possibly be a captain of the NYY for the history of forever.
Seriously?