The Unwritten Rules of Baseball: Your opinion?
- Thread starter Lose Remerswaal
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I still blame the fight on the first time the benches cleared, so it’s interesting to hear that the Yankees were the ones who initially came out. I just thought it was really odd that Holt deservedly saying WTF to Austin led so quickly to everyone on the field. Once that happened, in their minds, Austin had to be hit.
Seriously - all Austin had to do was say "sorry, my bad" - instead he barks back and takes a step or two toward Holt like a schoolyard bully. Austin is 6'2" 220, Holt is 5'10" 180...my big take away (aside from learning what a petulant child Austin is) was how quick Raffy got there to get between Holt & Austin - good on the kid being proactive sticking up for his mate.
Austin = Asshole.
Per Cumberland, all he had to do was say, "Sorry man, wasn't my intent..."
If you want to play Tough Guy after that slide, then you better play Tough Guy when you're plunked - meaning, "I had that coming...and I'm a big enough man to understand that"
Instead he played the Big Baby.
Per Cumberland, all he had to do was say, "Sorry man, wasn't my intent..."
If you want to play Tough Guy after that slide, then you better play Tough Guy when you're plunked - meaning, "I had that coming...and I'm a big enough man to understand that"
Instead he played the Big Baby.
OK, I hadn't seen the play yet when I replied to the general idea of the "unwritten rule" of getting one shot at the throw...
But now that I've seen the play and now that I've seen Austin's reaction, I'm completely on board with throwing at him until he was actually hit. It actually looks like a completely justified reaction more to his attitude in the first place than just the foot being up. Dude needs the lesson.
I'm also not convinced it's over.
But now that I've seen the play and now that I've seen Austin's reaction, I'm completely on board with throwing at him until he was actually hit. It actually looks like a completely justified reaction more to his attitude in the first place than just the foot being up. Dude needs the lesson.
I'm also not convinced it's over.
People are using the word "bean" or "beaning" incorrectly. To bean someone is to hit them in the head, the old bean, not anywhere else on the body.
Which is why nothing will ever be done to completely outlaw it. As in hockey, until someone gets hurt, it is good for business.
I hate all this bullshit but it's never going to change.
In terms of the unwritten rules, I think needing more than one pitch to hit someone isn't as relevant here since with his first attempt, it's not like Kelly missed by throwing it behind him. It was inside and not 100% clearly intentional without any context. Austin didn't stare him down after the first one either. With Barnes vs. Machado - then sure caveman rules were broken.
If the Yankees do retaliate, it better be against an equal scrub, like Lin if he starts. The bullpen really isn't in great enough shape for both teams to have early ejections, so I'm guessing both teams may hold off today.
In terms of the unwritten rules, I think needing more than one pitch to hit someone isn't as relevant here since with his first attempt, it's not like Kelly missed by throwing it behind him. It was inside and not 100% clearly intentional without any context. Austin didn't stare him down after the first one either. With Barnes vs. Machado - then sure caveman rules were broken.
If the Yankees do retaliate, it better be against an equal scrub, like Lin if he starts. The bullpen really isn't in great enough shape for both teams to have early ejections, so I'm guessing both teams may hold off today.
Which is just another part of why this kind of stuff is bullshit. They want to retaliate but only when it is convenient.
It's the same thing as the Machado nonsense last year. If they really wanted to get back at Machado for his slide on Pedroia, why did they not throw at him the next time he came up to the plate, either that night or the next? Instead they waited until the 8th inning of the last game of the series. Machado came to the plate SEVEN TIMES before Barnes decided to throw behind him. And then it didn't even end there, as a week and a half later when the Orioles came to Fenway, Sale threw at him too...in the second game of that series. Stupid.
If I were running the league, players who spike other players intentionally would get 15-20 game suspensions. Players who throw at other players intentionally would get the same. Players who engage in fighting would get 15-20 game suspensions. A few cases would no doubt provoke an uproar whichever way the league office decided them, but stronger punishments would hopefully cut down on a good deal of the idiocy like last night.
There was no idiocy from the Red Sox other than CV failing to tackle Austin before he got to Joe Kelly
I agree - This "unwritten rule" has and always will be stupid.
If the other team wants to forfeit the game, they can go right ahead and do that.
As long as they're still taking the field and trying to score, though, both teams should be doing so.
I've always thought that if a player does something intentionally outside the bounds of decorum that results in an injury--even if that injury was unintended--the offending player should be suspended for as long as the injured player is out plus several games.
So, an asshole tries to take out a second baseman and ends up putting him on the shelf for two months, the asshole is also gone for two months. An asshole hits a player in the head and puts him on the DL for ten days, he's also out ten days plus.
I just watch the games and don't really follow up with the media aftermath. Has anyone in the media come out and said Austin was just playing hard or has it been universally been accepted that it was a dirty play on Holt?
Great idea except when your ace hits their scrub and their team puts the scrub on the 60 day DL with a booboo.
On the unwritten rules, we make the easy difficult.
I see things more simply: One is the values one lives by.
Play to win. Live within the spirit of the rules.
I see things more simply: One is the values one lives by.
Play to win. Live within the spirit of the rules.