The sixers and building a winner

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Love that they have Emeka Okafor on the court tonight. 4 years off for the big man.
 

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No idea the game wasn't on TV even with league pass and because I got it via TV the streams aren't possible to get yet.

From the guys I trust who watched he was tentative and passed first and didn't shoot much from deep, mainly struggled with the size and speed of NBA players esp big guys.

Nothing crazy. Hard to say much, he also played a lot with okafor. Who can't set screens or create shit or offer a pnr threat. Basically jah sucks so hard he makes everyone worse.

On the plus side Simmons handling the ball is just so great. Passing and vision. A threat to collapse the defense and kick to shooters. Redick is gonna have a year I think.
 

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Nothing crazy. Hard to say much, he also played a lot with okafor. Who can't set screens or create shit or offer a pnr threat. Basically jah sucks so hard he makes everyone worse.
Imagine if Fultz put up 13/6/2 on 5-6 shooting, including a couple face-up 18-footers while being a +4 in a 21-point loss in 19 minutes while Jahlil shot 2-13 on two dunks with a -11? ;)

I agree it's an early pre-season game from a 19-year old so a tentative/poor performance where he can't get anything to go down is typical........the offense wasn't much different from Tatum the other night with the exception that he can do more things without the ball on these type of nights. I'm not wavering from what I've seen up until now. Simmons should be a special player.......Fultz should become Monta Ellis some day.
 

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Over under is 41.5 and this is an easier bet than Mayweather over McGregor.
If they play all season without Embiid and Saric the under is gold. Making 82-game regular season judgements from one pre-season game can't be very meaningful though. This team is going to be one of the more fun young ones to watch grow even if the results may not be there. It was either last year or the one prior where Charlotte and Sacramento were a combined 15-1 or something like that.
 

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If they play all season without Embiid and Saric the under is gold. Making 82-game regular season judgements from one pre-season game can't be very meaningful though. This team is going to be one of the more fun young ones to watch grow even if the results may not be there. It was either last year or the one prior where Charlotte and Sacramento were a combined 15-1 or something like that.
Wait, why would they be without Saric? The googles tell me nothing.

On the other hand, I have a friend who's an orthopedic surgeon and a huge Philly sports fan and she is not bullish on JoJo's long term prospects.

He's really young (just turned 20), but I'm excited to watch Korkmaz play. He's the guy I wanted the Celtics to draft with the Yabusele pick. He can definitely shoot it, and he's got a savvy overall offensive game along with good size and decent athleticism. His lack of strength will make him exploitable, but Reddick should be a good mentor for him. I don't know how many minutes will be there for him, but he should be part of their future.
 

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No idea the game wasn't on TV even with league pass and because I got it via TV the streams aren't possible to get yet.
I'm pretty sure it was available to watch live, at least according to the Fultz thread.
 

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Sure if you bought league pass direct from the NBA or live in Philly.

Anyone changing any views on anything on 20 mins of pre season where they were running a very very basic (dull) offense is mad.

Fultz didn't run a single PNR for goodness sake.

The Boston crowd crowing about fultz being bad are as insufferable as their jaylen brown hard-on.

Fultz btw is younger than most of the top pick names next year. Whatever.
 

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Meh. As far as highlight reels go
Really? If compared to the complete history of great NBA halves, then ok. Adding a little context: one year college, essentially zero pro experience and early in his rookie exhibition season, that clip showed me something I'm really looking forward to seeing more. 6'10" with that kind of vision, skill and mobility is pretty special if he can stay on the court.
 

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I think Simmons is just going to be a great player. He doesn't have the unbelievable explosiveness, but his size, ball handling and playmaking ability is very similar to LeBron. He isn't going to be LeBron, but I think he is an easy favorite for RoY.
 

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I think Simmons is just going to be a great player. He doesn't have the unbelievable explosiveness, but his size, ball handling and playmaking ability is very similar to LeBron. He isn't going to be LeBron, but I think he is an easy favorite for RoY.
He looks great in those clips. Kind of reminded me of Larry, except that we know that he doesn't have a shot. If he were a stock, I would buy.
 

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I was referring to the impulse post following one pre-season game in which neither Embiid or Saric played.
Amazing they gave more time to Okafor than Holmes, preseason and all that. If/when this team gets fully healthy, they could totally mess with teams by going big. Embiid, Holmes, Saric, Covington all provide length and can hit the 3 to varying degrees. Add in a 6'10 PG in Simmons and they can rival Milwaukee as far as length goes. They may have the most length in the NBA. Not to mention Jahlil, Emeka and Amir.

Holmes would be such a perfect fit in Boston. That ship has probably sailed, but who knows. He could get lost in the big man shuffle.
 

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The Sixers were outstanding from 3 point range - 45% and it felt like it was higher. Weirdly they also shot 41% from the FT line.
 

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It doesn't really seem salient what Butler was doing at age 22. He's historically unusual in his development at a relatively old NBA age. There's no particular reason to think Saric will follow Butler's development curve. It's like comparing Aaron Hicks at age 24 to Jose Bautista, saying when Bautista was 24, he was a scrub. Okay, but so what?
A quote from March of this year.

Did you have some special insight into Aaron Hicks this year, can you find more like him?
 

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Fultz btw is younger than most of the top pick names next year. Whatever.
Mohamed Bamba: May 12, 1998
Markelle Fultz: May, 29, 1998
Michael Porter Jr.: June, 29, 1998
DeAndre Ayton: July, 23, 1998
Luca Doncic: February, 28, 1999
Marvin Bagley III: March, 14, 1999
 

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Are any other 76ers fans growing weary of Joel Embiid's act? What is this, 29 games in 3 seasons, and more bench time in street clothes to start season 4, still tweeting, showing up at various events, probably going to get a pay raise in the offseason. Has any player in history played less and been idolized more?
He makes Sam Bowie look like John Havlicek by comparison.
Embiid has been down so long, Jahil Okafor lost 25 pounds and stole his job.
Yeah, I know, Embiid would be playing but management is just being careful.
 

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76ers will be lucky to win 30 games. I'm not seeing the hype w this team. Simmons can't shoot. Embiid can't play more than 40 games. Fultz is a rookie and they generally aren't helpful. Reddick and Amir will help some, but man I'm just not seeing it with this team.

Interesting? Sure. Good in a few years? Maybe. But 41.5 is bananaland.
 

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Are any other 76ers fans growing weary of Joel Embiid's act? What is this, 29 games in 3 seasons, and more bench time in street clothes to start season 4, still tweeting, showing up at various events, probably going to get a pay raise in the offseason. Has any player in history played less and been idolized more?
He makes Sam Bowie look like John Havlicek by comparison.
Embiid has been down so long, Jahil Okafor lost 25 pounds and stole his job.
Yeah, I know, Embiid would be playing but management is just being careful.
No. Not even remotely a little bit. He was drafted hurt we knew this. It became a two year injury. Last year 31 games and he was immediately one of the best big men in the league.
Okafor didn't steal his job. Troll level fail

76ers will be lucky to win 30 games. I'm not seeing the hype w this team. Simmons can't shoot. Embiid can't play more than 40 games. Fultz is a rookie and they generally aren't helpful. Reddick and Amir will help some, but man I'm just not seeing it with this team.

Interesting? Sure. Good in a few years? Maybe. But 41.5 is bananaland.
You know they won 28 last year, right?
They had embiid play 31 games, they added fultz, Simmons, redick, Johnson and korkmaz and experience for several others.
So the talent is clearly better, and as moops says they won 28. 30 assumes a lot of bad outcomes.

Troll level also fail.
 

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No. Not even remotely a little bit. He was drafted hurt we knew this. It became a two year injury. Last year 31 games and he was immediately one of the best big men in the league.
Okafor didn't steal his job. Troll level fail





They had embiid play 31 games, they added fultz, Simmons, redick, Johnson and korkmaz and experience for several others.
So the talent is clearly better, and as moops says they won 28. 30 assumes a lot of bad outcomes.

Troll level also fail.
This troll has been rooting for Philly since 1958. Wilt averaged more than 48 minutes per game in one of his early years. Forgive me if I'm not impressed by 31 games in 3 seasons. I was prepared for one injured season from Embiid. When it goes longer among 7-footers, I start to worry.
And get off my lawn!
 

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No. Not even remotely a little bit. He was drafted hurt we knew this. It became a two year injury. Last year 31 games and he was immediately one of the best big men in the league.
Okafor didn't steal his job. Troll level fail





They had embiid play 31 games, they added fultz, Simmons, redick, Johnson and korkmaz and experience for several others.
So the talent is clearly better, and as moops says they won 28. 30 assumes a lot of bad outcomes.

Troll level also fail.
How am I trolling? They aren't very good. I don't buy Simmons fit as a ball handling power forward who will struggle to defend and create spacing issues. Young teams tend to struggle. Badly. We will see if they can have a 12 win increase, which is what Vegas projects.

I can easily see Embiid sitting for stretches, Fultz sitting for stretches, Simmons sitting for stretches and this team struggling to find a rhythm.

Homer level: Fail.
 

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I think the 41.5 is too high. I was only commenting on your "lucky to win 30". The east is terrible, and PHI has young talent with a good mix of some veterans.

I would rather bet on them to win 41, then to win 30.
 

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How am I trolling? They aren't very good. I don't buy Simmons fit as a ball handling power forward who will struggle to defend and create spacing issues. Young teams tend to struggle. Badly. We will see if they can have a 12 win increase, which is what Vegas projects.

I can easily see Embiid sitting for stretches, Fultz sitting for stretches, Simmons sitting for stretches and this team struggling to find a rhythm.

Homer level: Fail.
I agree with you. Injuries, lack of practice time together, teammates just getting to know each other. They will start poorly, get hot for a month or two, run out of gas. Just like last year.
 

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I agree with you. Injuries, lack of practice time together, teammates just getting to know each other. They will start poorly, get hot for a month or two, run out of gas. Just like last year.

It is totally injury dependent. They have a lot of talent for the East. I like that little asshole TJ whatever his last name is a lot.
 

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I'm not trying to troll. I'm really not. They are an exciting young team and Vegas is praying on that. 30 wins is more likely than 42 IMO.

The under 41.5 is a lock to me. I just don't see it. They won't push Simmons/Fultz/Embiid through injury this year.
 

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I think the line is high but I was responding to the they will be lucky to win 30 comment.
Which is what you said. That's trolling given the talent increase and the fact they won 28 last year.

They are adding bayless, redick, Simmons, fultz, amir Johnson and korkmaz. And the bar for embiid to clear is 31 games. They won 28.l last year, their young guys are more experienced a d they vastly improved the talent level. Saying they will be lucky to win 30 is trolling unless you have a bloody good case.
Fultz is replacing Sergio bleeping Rodriguez ffs. Redick is better than any shooter they have had in years.

Saying they won't win 41 is not. I agree. The upside is there but the median is lower for me. But "lucky to win 2 more games than a less talented and hurt team is a troll unless you make a case.

The other troll comment was on the embiid comments.
 

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The under 41.5 is a lock to me. I just don't see it. They won't push Simmons/Fultz/Embiid through injury this year.
Unless you have a crystal ball, this statement is a contradiction in terms.

When Embiid was on the floor, the 76ers outscored their opponents by 3.2 points per 100 possessions, which is really good. They went 10-7 in the last 17 games he played even with a minutes limit and as LS says, they've added a goid bit of talent. http://www.nba.com/article/2017/10/07/one-team-one-stat-impact-embiid#/

If Embiid were to miraculously play in 82 games, 41.5 is probably low. If he plays in 40, it's probably high. But the only way to say that the under is a lock is to have some insight on his availability, which is an answe that (to quote I believe Augustine), "only God knows."
 

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Maybe the C-suckers should stay out of this thread until our teams have played 10 real games. Yes, our Sixers may not play up to expectations because of the uncertain health of our main star and the fact that we’re relying on two guys who are playing their first seasons in the NBA, but can you at least let us see what we have before you start shitting on our team’s chances? There are enough circle-jerk threads in this forum where you can cream yourselves over your supposed juggernaut’s chances. Please restrict yourselves to posting in them for the time being. Ten regular season games is not a lot to ask. Yours in gratitude, a Process Truster.
 

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Maybe the C-suckers should stay out of this thread until our teams have played 10 real games. Yes, our Sixers may not play up to expectations because of the uncertain health of our main star and the fact that we’re relying on two guys who are playing their first seasons in the NBA, but can you at least let us see what we have before you start shitting on our team’s chances? There are enough circle-jerk threads in this forum where you can cream yourselves over your supposed juggernaut’s chances. Please restrict yourselves to posting in them for the time being. Ten regular season games is not a lot to ask. Yours in gratitude, a Process Truster.
So we're homers but you aren't? Hmmm
 

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So we're homers but you aren't? Hmmm
I didn’t say that at all. But we’re not going into your team’s threads and pointing out the ways your team might fall of the grand expectations you have for it. I’m just asking for a similar respect—at least until the teams have played a few real games so we have more to judge on than a few summer league and exhibition games.
 

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I didn’t say that at all. But we’re not going into your team’s threads and pointing out the ways your team might fall of the grand expectations you have for it. I’m just asking for a similar respect—at least until the teams have played a few real games so we have more to judge on than a few summer league and exhibition games.
It's a Boston-based message board. What do you expect when you post here?
When the 76ers finally emerge from the process, you will love this board, and all the back-and-forth, because that is what rivalries are all about.
 

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I didn’t say that at all. But we’re not going into your team’s threads and pointing out the ways your team might fall of the grand expectations you have for it. I’m just asking for a similar respect—at least until the teams have played a few real games so we have more to judge on than a few summer league and exhibition games.
If only 76ers fans posted in that thread, it would have 8 posts in 3 years. If you care that much, find an actual 76ers board.
 
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