The Royals trade LHP Ryan Verdugo to Boston for money.

joe dokes

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 18, 2005
30,543
Verdugo To Lead Sox to Dizzying Heights
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
(and the worst day of the year continues . . . . . )
 

rembrat

Member
SoSH Member
May 26, 2006
36,345
His last name is even better if you know Spanish and Dominican slang.
 

Leather

given himself a skunk spot
SoSH Member
Jul 18, 2005
28,451
Remember 2006 when they seemingly did this type of thing every other week?  
 
EDIT: holy shit, Kyle Snyder was from the Royals, too!
 

nattysez

Member
SoSH Member
Sep 30, 2010
8,486
27 yo lefty starter who's significantly improved his SO/BB ratio this year (over 9 starts).  If you buy into the idea that lefties "figure it out" later in their career, maybe he's worth a flier.
 
I'm going to assume he was acquired to help fill out the AAA rotation when they trade Webster and Ranaudo as part of the trade for Stanton. 

 
 

Rovin Romine

Johnny Rico
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Jul 14, 2005
24,412
Miami (oh, Miami!)
28 year old left handed starter.   Lester replacement?  (Ducks.)
 
He's not a ML Loogy. 
 
So he's more likely a AAA starter, holding a spot in the Pawtucket rotation?  Which means someone's getting called up?  Which means Peavy's on the move?
 

PaulinMyrBch

Don't touch his dog food
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Dec 10, 2003
8,316
MYRTLE BEACH!!!!
Looks like an over the top or 3/4 lefty with a slider. Not exactly loogy delivery. I'm guessing RR is correct in his suspicions.
 
From 2011 likely.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYfDuUMZDFU 
 

P'tucket rhymes with...

Member
SoSH Member
Dec 12, 2006
11,636
The Coney Island of my mind
Rovin Romine said:
28 year old left handed starter.   Lester replacement?  (Ducks.)
 
He's not a ML Loogy. 
 
So he's more likely a AAA starter, holding a spot in the Pawtucket rotation?  Which means someone's getting called up?  Which means Peavy's on the move?
 
He looks like he's ticketed for Pawtucket, all right, although they already have six guys that can start.  Makes you wonder if Peavy is the only one on the way out.
 

TheYaz67

Member
SoSH Member
May 21, 2004
4,712
Justia Omnibus
PaulinMyrBch said:
Looks like an over the top or 3/4 lefty with a slider. Not exactly loogy delivery. I'm guessing RR is correct in his suspicions.
 
From 2011 likely.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYfDuUMZDFU 
 
As an umpire, I can't get past the home plate ump's odd mechanics in this clip.....
 

Eck'sSneakyCheese

Member
SoSH Member
May 11, 2011
10,399
NH
Odd move. There has to be another shoe to drop. He does have a high K rate. Other than that he seems pretty mediocre.

rembrat said:
His last name is even better if you know Spanish and Dominican slang.
I wouldn't have known if it wasn't for Resident Evil 4. Is there a Ramon Salazar they plan on signing too?
 

mabrowndog

Ask me about total zone...or paint
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Dec 23, 2003
39,676
Falmouth, MA
Speier
 
 
After opening the year on the sidelines for six-plus weeks due to a sports hernia, he’d made nine starts this year for Kansas City’s Triple-A affiliate in Omaha, going 5-2 with a 4.24 ERA, 8.5 strikeouts and 2.7 walks per nine innings. He’d been effective against both lefties (.216/.326/.324) and righties (.231/.279/.377) while working with a fastball around 90 mph, a solid changeup and slider.
 
Verdugo, who is not on the 40-man roster, is expected to be assigned to Triple-A Pawtucket with the versatility to offer left-handed bullpen or starting depth. The former LSU pitcher (who was teammates for a year with Anthony Ranaudo) does have options left if eventually added to the 40-man roster.
 
FWIW, he spent the first three seasons of his pro career (2008 thru 2010) as a reliever, but has been primarily a starter since the 2011 season.
 

Quintanariffic

Well-Known Member
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Apr 23, 2002
5,141
The City of Studios
He'll probably never see Fenway outside of some sort of cup of coffee scenario, but it's worth noting that he was pretty dominant (ERA around 1.50; K/9 over 13)), albeit somewhat wild (BB/9 around 4.50), in the minors as a reliever.  For some reason, the Royals decided to wait until he was 24 and seeing AA for the first time to move him into the rotation.  
 

Sprowl

mikey lowell of the sandbox
Dope
SoSH Member
Jun 27, 2006
34,603
Haiku
His fastball came in at 88-89, and slider at 79 with some good bite.
 
More lefties is usually a good thing. :rolleyes:
 

mabrowndog

Ask me about total zone...or paint
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Dec 23, 2003
39,676
Falmouth, MA
From the 2011 Baseball America Prospect Handbook, which ranked him 25th among Giants prospects:
 
Verdugo won a Mr. Baseball award in Washington and was drafted in 2005 (43rd round) by the Phillies even though he had just had Tommy John surgery. He opted to go to Skagit Valley (WA) JC instead, where he pitched a no-hitter and reestablished himself on draft boards. The Giants took a flier on him in the 47th round of the 2007 draft, even though they knew he had committed to Lousiana State. Verdugo fulfilled that commitment, and after he had a strong year as a starting pitcher, San Francisco spent another pick on him [2008, 9th round]. They saw a pitcher with easy arm action whose 92-mph fastball seemed to jump out of his hand. Verdugo is a deceptive lefty whose stuff consistently misses bats. Working in relief, he fanned 94 in 63 innings between Augusta and San Jose, right in line with his pro average of 13.4 strikeouts per 9 innings. His changeup is his best off-speed pitch and shows flashes of being above-average. If Verdugo can tighten up his slider, he could get a chance to start again. Verdugo remains a minus command pitcher who posted a 2.45 ERA while starting and throwing three- and four-inning stints in the Arizona Fall League, but didn't work many clean innings (37 baserunners in 22 IP). If he can start to fill up the strike zone, he will advance quickly.
 
He was traded in November of that year along with LHP Jonathan Sanchez to the Royals for Melky Cabrera.
 

E5 Yaz

polka king
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Apr 25, 2002
90,484
Oregon
Rovin Romine said:
I zipped home, expecting big news on the heels of this.  Perhaps there won't be any.  
 
Why in the world would this mean big news?
 

E5 Yaz

polka king
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Apr 25, 2002
90,484
Oregon
Rovin Romine said:
 
I thought it might be a prelude to a major trade before the ASB ended.  
 
I get that part, by would would such a minor acquisition mean that a big deal would follow it?
 

Harry Hooper

Well-Known Member
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Jan 4, 2002
34,605
bankshot1 said:
The Royals were rumored to be interested in Gomes. Maybe there is another shoe
 
 
True, but doesn't the Commish take a dim view on these cash deals? Why not make it one bundle?
 

Savin Hillbilly

loves the secret sauce
SoSH Member
Jul 10, 2007
18,783
The wrong side of the bridge....
E5 Yaz said:
I get that part, by would would such a minor acquisition mean that a big deal would follow it?
Because the Sox don't need a journeyman starter for AAA....
 
unless they're going to promote a starter from AAA....
 
and they don't need to promote a starter from AAA....
 
unless they're saying goodbye to a starter from the big club.
 

Snodgrass'Muff

oppresses WARmongers
SoSH Member
Mar 11, 2008
27,644
Roanoke, VA
Savin Hillbilly said:
Because the Sox don't need a journeyman starter for AAA....
 
unless they're going to promote a starter from AAA....
 
and they don't need to promote a starter from AAA....
 
unless they're saying goodbye to a starter from the big club.
 
The problem with this is that they have a couple of names in Portland who could and probably should be called up, so if a trade were to happen, wouldn't they look to do that?  I mean, Owens and Brian Johnson have both more than shown they are ready for a promotion this year.  There is no need for a warm body in Pawtucket, even if there is a trade.
 
It's probably more likely that the Red Sox had a chance to grab a left handed pitcher with some impressive strike out stuff for next to nothing and decided to take it.  Maybe they think putting him back in the pen will "fix" him and they might get a season or two of decent relief pitching from him at some point down the road.
 

DavidTai

Member
SoSH Member
Dec 18, 2003
1,245
Herndon, VA
Unless they're doing something daft like 'We're going to move this guy to reliever" because Allard Baird (thank you!) remembers him and wants to convert him back to reliever because they're going to need a lefthanded reliever or something?
 

E5 Yaz

polka king
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Apr 25, 2002
90,484
Oregon
Snodgrass'Muff said:
 
The problem with this is that they have a couple of names in Portland who could and probably should be called up, so if a trade were to happen, wouldn't they look to do that?  I mean, Owens and Brian Johnson have both more than shown they are ready for a promotion this year.  There is no need for a warm body in Pawtucket, even if there is a trade.
 
It's probably more likely that the Red Sox had a chance to grab a left handed pitcher with some impressive strike out stuff for next to nothing and decided to take it.  Maybe they think putting him back in the pen will "fix" him and they might get a season or two of decent relief pitching from him at some point down the road.
 
Thanks, this was what I meant. It's just adding a body. The in-house chess pieces seem to be better, so this deal would seem to have no relation to something else. If they're trading Peavy, Workman's next in line to move up to the majors, followed by Renaudo and Webster, with the Portland guys moving to Pawtucket
 

mt8thsw9th

anti-SoSHal
SoSH Member
Jul 17, 2005
17,121
Brooklyn
Why is this not in the minor league forum? The reason I ask is because people lose their damn minds when they think some minor league depth acquisition is meant to bolster the major league roster. There are some examples above my post.
 

Cuzittt

Bouncing with Anger
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Nov 20, 2001
20,301
Sinister Funkhouse #17
DavidTai said:
Unless they're doing something daft like 'We're going to move this guy to reliever" because Allard Baird (thank you!) remembers him and wants to convert him back to reliever because they're going to need a lefthanded reliever or something?
I realize the Baird meme is fantastic... but he has been with the Sox since late 06. Verdugo was drafted (by San Francisco) in 08.
 

alwyn96

Member
SoSH Member
Aug 24, 2005
1,351
 

Savin Hillbilly said:
Because the Sox don't need a journeyman starter for AAA....
 
unless they're going to promote a starter from AAA....
 
and they don't need to promote a starter from AAA....
 
unless they're saying goodbye to a starter from the big club.
 
I don't know, the Red Sox didn't need to trade Jeremy Hazelbaker to the Dodgers for Alex Castellanos during the World Series, but they got bored or something. I'm not sure there's much reason to think the same thing isn't happening here. 
 

mabrowndog

Ask me about total zone...or paint
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Dec 23, 2003
39,676
Falmouth, MA
They might also have decided that Chris Hernandez (also a lefty) has hit his ceiling, and see Verdugo as an upgrade in the PawSox swingman role.
 

cannonball 1729

Member
SoSH Member
Sep 8, 2005
3,578
The Sticks
Harry Hooper said:
 
 
True, but doesn't the Commish take a dim view on these cash deals? Why not make it one bundle?
 
Only if it's a large amount of cash.  The commissioner hasn't generally bothered to say anything unless the amount is more than $1 million.  Below that....."cash considerations" have been a part of many trades in baseball history.  Heck, that's what the Sox gave up for Mark Bellhorn.
 

Plympton91

bubble burster
SoSH Member
Oct 19, 2008
12,408
I wonder if this is the Red Sox using some more of the "Dempster money" that was not spent on payroll to upgrade the organizational pitching depth, and the Royals adding some cash to their budget in anticipation of adding payroll to make a run at the playoffs. It serves the needs of both teams in that way.

Billy Beane alludes to this type of thing in Moneyball during the Rincon trade negotiations, when he says, "Tell ____ that I'll pay his salary out of mine as long as I get to keep the money when I sell him for twice as much in the offseason."
 

DeJesus Built My Hotrod

Well-Known Member
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Dec 24, 2002
48,551
mt8thsw9th said:
Why is this not in the minor league forum? The reason I ask is because people lose their damn minds when they think some minor league depth acquisition is meant to bolster the major league roster. There are some examples above my post.
 
Isn't the bolded true of virtually every thread on this site?
 

E5 Yaz

polka king
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Apr 25, 2002
90,484
Oregon
Plympton91 said:
I wonder if this is the Red Sox using some more of the "Dempster money" that was not spent on payroll to upgrade the organizational pitching depth, and the Royals adding some cash to their budget in anticipation of adding payroll to make a run at the playoffs. It serves the needs of both teams in that way.

Billy Beane alludes to this type of thing in Moneyball during the Rincon trade negotiations, when he says, "Tell ____ that I'll pay his salary out of mine as long as I get to keep the money when I sell him for twice as much in the offseason."
 
A tidbit I picked up from Cot's Contracts founder Jeff Euston, a lifelong Royals fan:
 
"Verdugo is the ninth player traded by Dayton (Moore) for cash since last November. George Kottaras, Brandon Laird, Adam Moore, Gorkys Hernandez, Melky Mesa, P.J. Walters, Justin Marks, Cody Fassold and Donnie Joseph ... all traded for cash."