GF, downtown Oakland? It's so easy to get confused with all these proposals, the A's talked for years about moving out of the city itself.
The Raiders relocation thread (3/27 viva Las Vegas Raiders!!!)
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LV is a magnet. Even if it weren't, my sense is Raider fans travel fairly well. And even if they didn't, the financial well being of teams is much less anchored to in game attendance than it used to be.
Will the fans be enthusiastic? Permit me some political incorrectness -- which is not political incorrectness at all, but certainly may be perceived that way in this age of very thin skin.
It is a fact - not an opinion - that the Raiders are unusually popular among Latinos compared to most NFL teams. The Raiders have cultivated that fan base consistently and with care, and this has paid dividends.
It also is a fact, not an opinion, that Latinos compose a very significant chunk of the population of LV and Nevada generally. Just scroll through our recent election coverage.
Will this particular sub-set of the fan base post for the Raiders in LV? I'm not sure, but it's reasonable to suppose that they might.
Oh, and about Mark Davis? People can laugh all they want, but he doesn't have near the liquidity of many NFL owners. This team is his major asset. So good on him for making this move and keeping all of the team, no doubt to the disappointment of vulture and investment bank assholes.
There is a fairly large contingent of former LA Raider finds that have migrated to Las Vegas. That mixed with the amount of NFL orphans that support other teams simply because we are a transient population by nature. I could see those people easily swayed to the Raiders out of community spirit. I think there will be a strong following here and I wouldn't be surprised at all to see the "Bet on Black Hole" or some other rendition.
I hope Mark Davis negotiated for the majority share of the in-seat keno and video poker income in the stadium.
With all the rain we've had this year, those mountains could be green until, I don't know, June. Hire a couple of those TV show rehab and demolition crews and Git r done!Will the Oakland Coliseum take down Mt Davis once the Raiders are gone? There used to be a nice vista out towards CF before they filled it in for football.
Wow, if you were trying to construct a hypothetical situation that could make you feel sympathy for an NFL owner, that'd be pretty close to the scenario you'd come up with.
He still owes BofA $600M. Although per NFL rules, he can't have secured that note against his equity in the team, so there have to have been other revenue streams that he essentially securitized here as collateral. I wonder how they squared that.
There's a pretty standard security package with stadium deals: luxury box, concession, advertising/sponsorship, and non-league event revenues. Maybe parking depending on who's building any garages or lots. Basically everything but general admissions ticket revenues.
ESPN (Wikersham & Vanatta) did a great long form on this today:
http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/19143486/the-story-how-owner-mark-davis-moved-raiders-las-vegas
worth the read if you care about this shit, are interested in the business of the NFL, like and under dog redemption story or just want to behold the power of Jerrah Jones.
http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/19143486/the-story-how-owner-mark-davis-moved-raiders-las-vegas
worth the read if you care about this shit, are interested in the business of the NFL, like and under dog redemption story or just want to behold the power of Jerrah Jones.
I understand what I think Carr is trying to do -- avoid the old Browns' last year in Cleveland. But the situations are probably different, and even if they were not, it's insensitive to tell fans how to react to something like this, especially when the team has been yanked from you twice.
Politely, Fuck that. I have considerable ire towards the "Raider fans" attacking DC today.
This isn't like Houston or Cleveland because there is a huge split in the fanbase. A huge portion are like me and my brothers who agree with DC completely and think the sooner the city fans get off the band wagon the better.
I appreciate Carr's honesty, he is on the side of the majority in the Raider nation. The Raider nation is not like other fan bases, in that we have been through this before and stuck around and the fan base is not confined to one municipality. Legends like Marcus Allen, Bo Jackson, Mike Haynes and Greg Townsend never played a down in Oakland. One of the three titles was won outside of Oakland. Frankly, the team is as popular in other parts of the state as it is in the East Bay. We put 50,000+ people in silver in black in fucking San Diego last year, and based on my observation, and I talked to a ton of people there, those were not bay area fans. The team should be in either Oakland or LA, but that wasn't possible unless the Davis family gave away part of the team, and that was specifically the desire of the Oakland politicians. DC is right, if some Raider fans don't want to stick around, they were fans of the local team, but not of the Raiders.
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