The Game Ball Thread: SB vs Atlanta

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The defense gave up 21 points to the 8th greatest offense in NFL history.

21 points.

We all would have GLADLY taken that two days ago. Where are all the dipshits in the media that called them paper tigers and "not tested?"

They gave up a few plays, but 21 to the EIGHTH best offense in NFL history? Game ball to all of them for hanging in there and doing JUST enough.
In the last 27 minutes of game action, they gave up 7 total points to the Falcons. That's it. The D really stepped up huge in this game.

And no, Atlanta didn't go conservative. In there's any criticism to be made, they were not conservative enough. They kept trying to score. The Pats stuffed the run and swarmed Ryan and buried the Falcons' offense.

Freaking championship defense.
 

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James White dares do all that may become a man. He who dares do more is none.
It is interesting to see year-to-year development. In 2014, they beat a great Seahawks D because of* Vereen having a great game. In 2015 against a similarly-great Broncos D, they tried to go to White a lot -- he had a ton of targets -- but it just never clicked and the offense never got moving. This year, White came up big.

* did not mean to imply solely because of Vereen.
 

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In his WEEI interview, Tom Brady was asked about the MVP truck and said he thinks James White deserves to get it.
 

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In the last 27 minutes of game action, they gave up 7 total points to the Falcons.
It's better than that--the defense only allowed 7 points in last 44 minutes of game action. Atlanta scored on TD by Hooper with about 9 minutes left in 2nd quarter. From that point on, the Atlanta offense scored 1 TD.

If you want to include the defensive TD, the Patriots allowed 7 points in the last 36 minutes. Pick 6 with about 3 minutes left in 2nd quarter. So the entire second half, plus 4 minutes of OT and last 2 minutes of half--7 points allowed.
 

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Honorary game ball to Zo for his call after the game winning TD

"They have balls. And when you have balls you win championships."

Those who had the most balls in the game get SoSH game balls; and when an announcer has the balls to say the team has balls, he too gets game balls.
 

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Honorary game ball to Zo for his call after the game winning TD

"They have balls. And when you have balls you win championships."

Those who had the most balls in the game get SoSH game balls; and when an announcer has the balls to say the team has balls, he too gets game balls.
Chris Long, on the Fox postgame, said they have stones
 

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And game ball to Matt Ryan for pacing around and looking at the clock the entire second half instead of talking to a coach or looking at anything related to why he kept getting sacked.
 

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Yes and they really missed an obvious DPI on an Amendola target. Overall the refs were fine-ish but they missed plenty. In fairness it was a weird game. Also there were a few injuries that stopped the clock and helped the Pats who only had to use one timeout in the second half which is incredible on its own.
 

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Yes and they really missed an obvious DPI on an Amendola target. Overall the refs were fine-ish but they missed plenty. In fairness it was a weird game. Also there were a few injuries that stopped the clock and helped the Pats who only had to use one timeout in the second half which is incredible on its own.
Agreed. Refs were not a factor in the outcome.
 

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Yes and they really missed an obvious DPI on an Amendola target. Overall the refs were fine-ish but they missed plenty. In fairness it was a weird game. Also there were a few injuries that stopped the clock and helped the Pats who only had to use one timeout in the second half which is incredible on its own.
The Coleman injury happened right before the Hightower sack. Freeman was rushed in and whiffed the coverage. That's the game.
 

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Yeah that was PI on Butler but it was also PI against Amendola on the pass across the middle though that one ended up not mattering.
 

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The Coleman injury happened right before the Hightower sack. Freeman was rushed in and whiffed the coverage. That's the game.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/falcons-shanahan-freeman-disagree-whos-to-blame-for-super-bowl-fumble/

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I asked Devonta Freeman if Dont'a Hightower is his man on the strip-sack: "No." Won't give details. Just keeps saying Hightower made a play.


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Kyle Shanahan says yes, that actually was Devonta Freeman's guy. Hasn't gotten to talk to him yet. Matt was expecting him to be picked up.
 

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If he's not Freeman's man, who the hell was supposed to get him? The tackle or TE (I can't remember who was lined up there) that was blocking inside?

Hightower was spread fairly wide.
 

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There was a TE on the side but he wasn't in the typical TE spot he was in a 2 pt stance split out a couple yards from the T and he went out for a pass.
Hightower was outside of him.
There was absolutely no way anyone else could have blocked him.
 

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There was a TE on the side but he wasn't in the typical TE spot he was in a 2 pt stance split out a couple yards from the T and he went out for a pass.
Hightower was outside of him.
There was absolutely no way anyone else could have blocked him.
I believe Hightower said that Freeman/Coleman had always picked him up on that play up to that point throughout the game.
 

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No accountability, Devonte? That'll get you the contract you and your agent have been whining about.
 

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Freeman looked completely shocked when Hightower passed him. It had to have been his man, but it was pretty obvious he had no idea Hightower was coming free. The tackle looks to his left at the snap to block Flowers and doesn't even move his head toward Hightower. The tackle, guard and center are blocking Branch/Flowers.

I'm not sure how Freeman missed it pre-snap. Chung is obviously in man on the TE, and Hightower is by himself outside of Chung.
 

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Something about Superbowl 2nd halves that punches Hightowers turbo button.
 

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In the last 27 minutes of game action, they gave up 7 total points to the Falcons. That's it. The D really stepped up huge in this game.
FO just released their DVOA scores for the game - overall the defense was about average.

But look at the quarter by quarter:

1st: -30%
2nd: 137%
3rd: -7%
4th: -72%

The 2nd quarter was a shitshow (both offense and defense), but they were nails the whole rest of the game.
 

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I think it was a legit call that there wasn't a great angle shown of it on TV. There was a still somewhere in here that showed Butler pulling the guys left arm and I'm assuming it was pretty obvious on the field. It was totally unnecessary however, if the receiver makes the catch(not a guarantee) he is down a couple yards short of the first and Atlanta kicks the FG instead of getting the TD.
 

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Agreed. I think Malcolm grabbed the guy's left arm so he couldn't bring it up to try to make the catch. The immediacy of his call for a flag, the quickness of multiple flags being thrown, and Malcolm not complaining a bit led me to believe it was an easy call on the field.
 

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I'm watching a replay on NFL Network and I noticed that Julio Jones made his third catch mid-way through the 2nd quarter.

How he finished with only 4 targets for the entire game is one of the mysteries of the universe. Kyle Shanahan had a very bad second half ...
 

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I'm watching a replay on NFL Network and I noticed that Julio Jones made his third catch mid-way through the 2nd quarter.

How he finished with only 4 targets for the entire game is one of the mysteries of the universe. Kyle Shanahan had a very bad second half ...
Yet if Atlanta runs the ball three times after his last catch and kicks the FG, Shanahan would be praised as a genius for not forcing the ball to him in double coverage all game and taking what the defense was giving.
 

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Yet if Atlanta runs the ball three times after his last catch and kicks the FG, Shanahan would be praised as a genius for not forcing the ball to him in double coverage all game and taking what the defense was giving.
In seven Super Bowls, New England hasn't once been burned by the opposition's MVP-caliber playmaker. Faulk, TO, Lynch, Jones created massive problems for the rest of the league. And none of them were really factors in any of the title games when Belichick was on the opposing sideline.
 

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In seven Super Bowls, New England hasn't once been burned by the opposition's MVP-caliber playmaker. Faulk, TO, Lynch, Jones created massive problems for the rest of the league. And none of them were really factors in any of the title games when Belichick was on the opposing sideline.
Really?
My recollection is that TO had a monster game and would have won MVP if the Eagles had pulled it off
 

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Really?
My recollection is that TO had a monster game and would have won MVP if the Eagles had pulled it off
9 catches, 122 yards, no TDs. Pretty good game, though 2 catches and 15 of the yards were on that prevent-defense drive
 

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In seven Super Bowls, New England hasn't once been burned by the opposition's MVP-caliber playmaker. Faulk, TO, Lynch, Jones created massive problems for the rest of the league. And none of them were really factors in any of the title games when Belichick was on the opposing sideline.
Manningham's catch kind of qualifies, no?
 

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Really?
My recollection is that TO had a monster game and would have won MVP if the Eagles had pulled it off
I never liked TO as a player. Couldn't stand the theatrics. Respected the talent for sure, but just never liked the way he played. I remember being really bummed about how well he played that game, busted leg and all. I just wanted him to fail, and he didn't. Well, he did fail to win the game, but then again, it wasn't him puking in the huddle.
 

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Hightower with another secret biggest play of the Super Bowl
I don't know if you can call the play on sunday a "secret" play the way his tackle of Lynch on 1st and goal was. The guy strip-sacked the league MVP and forced a turnover that spurred his team's comeback status from "making it respectable" to "good lord, they still have a prayer!"

Belichick. The team was down 21-3 with an extended half-time to sit through and eventually 28-3 in the third, on the biggest stage in pro sports. That has to be some scientology-level brainwashing that kept the team focused and still hanging onto that small nugget of hope, playing their hearts out. I can't think of a single team that doesn't crumple and fold up shop with a 14 point deficit in that situation, much less 25.
The 2001 Rams did OK after being down 14, to say nothing of the 2006 Colts. Dallas didn't win their Divisional game this year but their response to a 21-3 2Q deficit was to put the fear of god into the Packers and tie it up twice in the final 5 minutes.

I think Belichick did a marvelous job on Sunday but let's keep at least some perspective.

Re: the refs and the 3 defensive holding calls. It seemed like ATL was employing the Seattle "they can't call it every time" scheme. Those calls seemed like the refs taking a bit of control and making it clear that if ATL kept doing it, they would call it.
Does this make Carl Cheffers the Joe West of the NFL?
 

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Agreed. Refs were not a factor in the outcome.
If the Pats had whiffed on either 2 PC I would have obsessed over the injustice of McLellin's BS call on the XP vaulting over the guard (not center). That one point could very well have been the difference in this game and it would have stunk to high heaven.
 

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9 catches, 122 yards, no TDs. Pretty good game, though 2 catches and 15 of the yards were on that prevent-defense drive
The point was TO was ok that game, but his 9 for 122 was a bit hollow
Exactly. He def. was amazing for playing with a broken leg and almost def. would have been MVP if the Eagles had won but...they were never really in the game so they never would have won anyway.

Manningham's catch kind of qualifies, no?
Manningham wasn't even close to that Giants team's biggest weapon. There's a clip right before the drive with his catch in America's Game where BB tells the defense to not complicate things and remember to focus on Cruz and Nicks – he even explicitly says something to the effect of "Don't worry about Manningham.

The point is, when Belichick gameplans for opposing team's biggest weapons and playmakers, they almost always get their carries, catches and yards. But they rarely are difference-makers – and they almost never score touchdowns. Sunday, he was willing to give Freeman and Coleman some space but was dead set on neutralizing Jones (and the other WRs). And even with that shitshow of a first half, he pretty much did.
 

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Exactly. He def. was amazing for playing with a broken leg and almost def. would have been MVP if the Eagles had won but...they were never really in the game so they never would have won anyway.
Wait wut


24-21? Tied after three?
 

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Here is TO's log from that game:
1: incomplete
2: gain of 7
3: gain of 9
4: gain of 30 (total pick, any WR would have gained 30 on this play)
5: intercepted but called back for illegal contact on Phifer (next play was also picked)
6: gain of 10
7: gain of 8
8: gain of 7
9: incomplete
10: gain of 36 (this was really the best play he made - he caught a 7 yard comeback, then spun and gained about 30 YAC. But it was a 7 yard hitch)
11: gain of 5
12: gain of 10
13: incomplete
14: incomplete
15: incomplete

I don't think he caught a single pass more than 10 yards beyond the LOS.