The Game Ball Thread: Divisional Round vs Texas

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Hi, my name is Logan. This here is Leo. I attended Rutgers University before becoming a New England Patriot. Things I like include Leo, obviously. In addition, I like long walks on the beach, tackling the shit out of people, sunsets, intercepting errant throws, the grease trucks in New Brunswick - after the season is over of course and blanketing opposing receivers so they get nothing.
 

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It feels a little like people are unduly dismissive of how good the Texans' defense actually is. I think the win earlier in the year and the large point spread distorts things a bit. The Texans haven't allowed a 300 yard passing game all year. They played Luck twice, Rodgers, Carr, Rivers, Stafford. So not exactly scrubs. Brady had second most yards passing against them for the year, just behind Carr.

They also haven't given up 400 yards total all year. Patriots had second most yards overall against them, just behind the Colts in the first Colts/Houston game (and probably the most overall yards if you count return yards, though I'm guessing on that one).

Patriots scored the most points against them all year tonight.

Brady was poor. Less than 50% completions is bad. But that was a good team the Patriots beat tonight, and they have a really top quality defense.
 

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Hope I'm not game threading here, but Osweiler is pretty much the only reason their offense stinks. They have good skill position players. But, yeah, their special teams are bad, and it really cost them tonight.
 

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The nightmare scenario for a Pats loss played itself out in the first half, yet the Pats never trailed and the game was mostly over for the entire fourth quarter. Sucked to have to sweat it out more than we thought, and yes they'll have to play better to continue to advance, but they are still the favorites and rightfully so.

Also today shows what an absolute fluke it is to go an entire 16 game schedule and only throw 2 picks.

Anyway, my game balls:

Ryan
Edelman
McCourty
Lewis
 

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D-line deserves some love, the Texans never got a ground game going and it seemed like they were in the backfield a decent amount.
 

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Can't give one to 33 given the fumbles. Hope Hogan is ok for next week he is a difference maker.
 

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Logan Ryan

Ryan Allen

Devin McCourty (he's been playing at an elite level since the San Francisco game. I'm psyched to see him get the recognition he deserves)

Julian Edelman

Dion Lewis (despite his awful fumbles, he's a playmaker everywhere he lines up -- this post-gronk offense desperately needs someone to step up to make explosive plays besides Edelman, and Lewis did that job well tonight)
 

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Ray Lewis and Earl Thomas barking at Brady on twitter
He kinda deserved the one from Lewis. The Clowney tackle he went all LeBron was a little rough, but not worth throwing a tantrum over. Thomas can eat a bag of dicks, though. His unit got abused by Brady when it counted most and the NFC West was terrible this year and should be moving forward.

For reference, Lewis tweeted "it's called football, Brady" and Thomas whined about the Pats schedule and division.
 

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Was the Houston D the best D the Pats see the rest of the way?
They are easily the best designed to stop the Pats offense, especially if Justin Houston can't be effective for KC. The Steelers have been getting tons of pressure the past couple months, too, but their secondary stinks. Nobody left in the NFC has a D that can keep the Pats under 30 imo.
 

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They are easily the best designed to stop the Pats offense, especially if Justin Houston can't be effective for KC. The Steelers have been getting tons of pressure the past couple months, too, but their secondary stinks. Nobody left in the NFC has a D that can keep the Pats under 30 imo.
Appreciate the in depth response. I figured nobody left has a duo like Mercillus and Clowney but wasn't sure if I was underestimating anyone.
 

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They are easily the best designed to stop the Pats offense, especially if Justin Houston can't be effective for KC. The Steelers have been getting tons of pressure the past couple months, too, but their secondary stinks. Nobody left in the NFC has a D that can keep the Pats under 30 imo.
Agree with this. Rushing 4 and playing tight man on the outside is not something that plays to the strengths of either KC or Pitt. Sending extra rushers, and the holes that creates, is usually something Brady is very good at exploiting. Also don't think any of the remaing NFC defenses, particularly in the climate controlled setting of the super bowl, can really turn the game into a rock fight. I think the onus now falls on the Pats defense, as they finally get tested by much better offenses than they have been facing.
 

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Ryan Allen was phenomenal last night. He's been somewhat hit or miss this year, but last night was the ideal usage for him in terms of field position, and he was absolutely outstanding.
 

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Honorable mention to Slater for catching and downing a punt inside the 5.
 

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Haven't done these much this season, but it's a playoff win and it deserves celebration.

3 Up:

- Ryan: Incredible performance from start to finish. Harmon called it a "perfect game" -- hard to argue.

- Edelman: Didn't haul in that poor throw but got just about everything else on a day where Brady was off.

- Kickers (Allen and Ghost): Both were nails the entire game.

1 Up & Down:

- Lewis: His stutter step is comically devastating. He just needs to make sure he gives us more Gale Sayers, less Stevan Ridley.

3 Down:

- Andrews: Totally overmatched for parts of the game, gave Brady a few low snaps, and it looked like the interior protections weren't set correctly at times. Don't know if that last one is totally his responsibility, but he had a bad day.

- Bennett: He admitted postgame that he was "pressing," but overall he wasn't as big a factor as he will need to be. Good news is all that really matters is that his knee ligaments held together.

- McDaniels: I agree with Belichick. There seemed to be a lot of bad coaching on offense last night, and they never fully got into a rhythm apart from that 90-yard drive. The goal line sequence was concerning, and twice they got pushed out of Field Goal range after some strange play calling. The talk radio blather will be about whether his job interviews distracted him -- but it's also worth giving RAC credit. His guys played well.
 
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I'm going to reject the hypotheses of Shank, Volin, and Gasper and chalk up the offensive performance from the offense the result of a perfect storm of playing against a team that brought it's varsity on defense combined with a couple of bad turnovers. We did see Houston execute to perfection the recipe for beating the Pats: generate interior pressure while rushing 4 and keeping Brady's targets covered. As noted by multiple posters, Houston was probably the only remaining AFC team that could do that.

Dion Lewis still gets a game ball; he was truly a difference maker on offense that this team did not have last season's playoffs. Edelman gets the remaining game ball on offense, although Hogan should get an honorable mention. Also, McDaniels gets a mention for at least countering the pressure with some hurry up plays as well as opportunistically dialing in the deep ball

Defense gets a team game ball; I don't care that they were playing against an inept squad. If forced to choose, I would give individual balls to McCourty and Ryan.

EDIT: Slater and the special teams squad in general deserve the game ball. Great punt coverage all night.

Dishonorable mentions go to Rowe, who's completely needless penalty should have been a cut-able offense had the Pats lost, and Bennett, who was basically invisible even before he got hurt.
 

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Edelman (who is a big time playoff performer), Lewis (perhaps a once in a lifetime trifecta) and Ryan (all around strong game including a big sack and an excellent interception).
 

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You know who doesn't get a game ball? Nantz and Simms. They were awful, especially Nantz.

OK more seriously, I think Brady gets a game ball. He made some throws into very tight windows, moved receivers when he needed to. Just like he always does. But this time he was able to do it while under pretty heavy pressure.
 

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I think you guys are being a little hard on Bennett. He got lit up on a cheap shot fairly early in the game and his brain was probably scrambled a bit, and the "drop" on the sidelines he was clearly interfered with - the defender was yanking his arm well before the ball arrived.

He also made some important blocks.
 

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My favorite Nantz I remember is him commenting "that's the first time amendola has been out there tonight" after he had already been on the field for several plays.
 

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He kinda deserved the one from Lewis. The Clowney tackle he went all LeBron was a little rough, but not worth throwing a tantrum over. Thomas can eat a bag of dicks, though. His unit got abused by Brady when it counted most and the NFC West was terrible this year and should be moving forward.

For reference, Lewis tweeted "it's called football, Brady" and Thomas whined about the Pats schedule and division.
Maybe but, Lewis intimating that Brady's not tough is annoying as hell.

And Brady's not the schedule maker, and he's gonna face some good teams so that's an idiotic complaint. Not to mention his team just got worked so maybe relax a bit.
 

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My favorite Nantz I remember is him commenting "that's the first time amendola has been out there tonight" after he had already been on the field for several plays.
The noise he made when he thought Hopkins secured the ball in the end zone on the long third down throw was borderline unprofessional.
 

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I think you guys are being a little hard on Bennett. He got lit up on a cheap shot fairly early in the game and his brain was probably scrambled a bit, and the "drop" on the sidelines he was clearly interfered with - the defender was yanking his arm well before the ball arrived.

He also made some important blocks.
I agree that Bennett's play may have been affected by the shot from Cushing, which happened early in the game.
 

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Did James West play at all other than the TD?

Bennett's two blocks on one playon a sweep (screen pass) to the right were impressive.

I thought RAC/BOB's choice to move their two best pass-rushers from the edge to the A gaps was inspired. Not only did that create pressure up the middle, which we all know is Brady's Kryptonite, but it pitted the Texans' strength against the weaker part of the Pats OLine and away from its strengths (at OT). I think the fact that it took a long time for the Pats/JMcD/Dante to adjust was the main source of BB's comment about needing to coach better.
 

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He kinda deserved the one from Lewis. The Clowney tackle he went all LeBron was a little rough, but not worth throwing a tantrum over. Thomas can eat a bag of dicks, though. His unit got abused by Brady when it counted most and the NFC West was terrible this year and should be moving forward.

For reference, Lewis tweeted "it's called football, Brady" and Thomas whined about the Pats schedule and division.
Wait, doesn't Thomas realize the 3 other teams in his division are the Rams, 49ers, and Cardinals. And that you went 3-2-1 against that drek? And since they got to play the AFC East, it's not like their schedule was that much different than the Pats...
 

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I think Nantz referred to the Fuller drop as a "likely" touchdown. Guy was five feet in end zone when he dropped it.

Marty had some monster blocks. He cleaned two guys out on one of those reverses
 

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OK more seriously, I think Brady gets a game ball. He made some throws into very tight windows, moved receivers when he needed to. Just like he always does. But this time he was able to do it while under pretty heavy pressure.
He did enough to win, but I thought his decision making was pretty bad. Usually he's good at cutting his losses. The play in particular that makes me uncomfortable was the first play of the second half where he threw a ball right to Bouye. That would have been a game changer. He probably makes that pick three out of four times. Maybe it was Floyd's fault, but it looked like just a bad decision by Brady in a spot where a throw away would have been fine.

They got through it and Belichick gets a teachable moment but I have trouble giving Brady a game ball.
 

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Simms is never good. It's like he has to talk, and just fills unused airspace constantly.I wish there were an easy way to watch it with the radio stream without the time delay.
 

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He did enough to win, but I thought his decision making was pretty bad. Usually he's good at cutting his losses. The play in particular that makes me uncomfortable was the first play of the second half where he threw a ball right to Bouye. That would have been a game changer. He probably makes that pick three out of four times. Maybe it was Floyd's fault, but it looked like just a bad decision by Brady in a spot where a throw away would have been fine.

They got through it and Belichick gets a teachable moment but I have trouble giving Brady a game ball.
Upon further review, the call on the field has changed.
Looking back at it, I agree with you. And there were several plays where Brady got sacked or made a bad throw, that he should have thrown the ball away. My living room can attest to the fact that I was yelling about it at the time...Throw. It. Away!!
 

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Such a strange game - it felt like the entire outcome of the first half was basically 3 or 4 fluky plays (the Rowe penalty, the Floyd interception, the Lewis KR, and the Lewis Fumble). It was tough to even judge what the heck was happening because the Patriots ran so few plays.

The second half though - sometime mid in the 3rd quarter they seemed to start being able to move the ball, which meant they stopped giving Houston the ball on the 15 yard line, and the game was pretty much over at that point.

And I agree with DennyDoyle here - Houston's defense is really good, but Brady made a bunch of boneheaded plays yesterday - and pretty much the only way they could have lost that game was through boneheaded plays. (and the only reason the game was close was turnovers near their own goalline). Brady needs to be way more careful in these sort of defensively dominate games.

Game balls all around to the defense. I'll give a gameball to Lewis and then take it away from him.
 

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Lewis had a high/low game for sure, but I would actually give the goat in a win ball to Rowe. That penalty changed the flow of the game. If they go up 10 or 14 to 0 it forces a QB/offense to take risks. And if there's one thing Osweiler loves, it's turnovers. Hell, he had 3 INTs tonight, but easily could have had 5-6. There's a reason Belichick chewed off Rowe's ear after that penalty..
The penalty would have been really stupid on any play, but the fact that it was on a stop on 3rd and 18ish, and was completely unneeded was worse - and yeah, Houston got points on that drive.
 

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Did James West play at all other than the TD?

Bennett's two blocks on one playon a sweep (screen pass) to the right were impressive.

I thought RAC/BOB's choice to move their two best pass-rushers from the edge to the A gaps was inspired. Not only did that create pressure up the middle, which we all know is Brady's Kryptonite, but it pitted the Texans' strength against the weaker part of the Pats OLine and away from its strengths (at OT). I think the fact that it took a long time for the Pats/JMcD/Dante to adjust was the main source of BB's comment about needing to coach better.
12 snaps for White.

Snaps per Reiss
Lewis--33
LG-27
White-12

WR
Edelman-58
Floyd-44
Hogan-34
Amendola-21
Slater-3

TE
Bennett-64
Lengel-12
Fleming-2
 

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1) Edelman/Hogan- The Texans were visibly frustrated with how they were wiggling free on 3rd and longs for big gains. The Hogan and Brady combo I think has been particularly important post gronk.

2) McCourty/Ryan- Really could go to the whole secondary for good tackling on Brocks' check downs and taking advantage of Brock's boneheaded miscues when he did try and target Hopkins deep. Additionally, they did a helluva a job of not having any brain cramps when they were getting routinely put in shitty field position.

3) BB and the Hood - When the Texans had pulled within 1 midway through second or it was 17-13 or one touchdown in 4th and mental gaffes or Rowe like penalties could have resulted in giving Brock the penalty yardage/ gifted momentum break he needed to move into TD range the Patriots as a team slammed the door on D on those instances. Lucky to have one of the best stalking the sidelines.

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Brady- I'm putting the first pick on Floyd and 'm jumping off the bandwagon. Give me MM back pronto. I do think the Texans D is getting short shift. The pressure up the middle was a real pain in the arse. Their secondary also hung tough for a while. Bottom line is when the Pats needed a score to get breathing room Brady generally delivered even if he needed two drives to do it. Also on 3rd and long he repeatedly delivered the dagger.
 

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Simms is never good. It's like he has to talk, and just fills unused airspace constantly.I wish there were an easy way to watch it with the radio stream without the time delay.
I like when he remembered the phrase inside/outside technique and then decided he couldn't say it enough.
 

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I like when he remembered the phrase inside/outside technique and then decided he couldn't say it enough.
We get the same two clowns next week as CBS has the game. Fox has the SB this year, so Buck and Aikman if we get there. I can live with them.

For game balls, Butler Boys because I like the alliteration. They deserve them anyway. As for another popular choice, Ryan Allen, his first two punts left a little to be desired: a 34 harder to Houston's 19 yd line and a low 46 yarder that was returned 16 yds to the NE 49. He was nails after those two though.
 
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Kick and punt returns seem to have lost all their excitement, at least with the group I was watching the game with last night. You could hear a pin drop on Lewis' TD return as we all waited for what seems like the inevitable block in the back flag.