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The Annual "All your coordinator no longer belong to us" thread

Discussion in 'Blinded by the Lombardis: Patriots Forum' started by bakahump, Dec 7, 2017 at 10:50 AM.

  1. bakahump

    bakahump Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    The Giants, Chicago, Browns, Indy(?) and TB (?) are all Probable to absolute locks at having openings. With Probably another 2 or 3 surprises (Jets, Bengals, ???).

    Thats as many as 8 possible landing spots for JMcd and MP.

    Where do you think they will go? How do you feel about them leaving? Who is in the pipeline to replace them?
     
  2. Was (Not Wasdin)

    Was (Not Wasdin) Member SoSH Member

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  3. Ralphwiggum

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    The Jets were supposed to be historically bad and are halfway decent. I'm not sold on Bowles yet, but I'd be surprised if the Jets fire him.

    I'd throw the Broncos on there too. I don't think Vance Joseph survives that tire fire out there, particularly since there seems to be some friction with Elway.

    The Bengals should fire Marvin Lewis, but probably won't.
     
  4. Hoya81

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    If the Chiefs collapse continues, I could see Reid on the way out.

    Detroit, Washington and Arizona are other possibilities.
     
  5. InstaFace

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    This, btw, was a triumph of expectations-management and PR, enough so to make it the envy of politicians.
     
  6. rslm

    rslm Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    The Bengals should fire Marvin Lewis, but probably won't.[/QUOTE]

    After Monday's game I joked with some friends here in Cincinnati that Marvin would get a five year extension from Mike Brown. They did win the first half after all. Seriously though Marv is in the last year of his deal as he was not extended which is pretty unusual. Personally, I'm surprised they've brought him back for about the past five years, but I think he's gone after this season. He may leave on his own.
     
  7. Oppo

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    Are any of the potential openings a desirable landing spot in terms of ownership, talent, location, and future outlook? As in, if you were McD or Patricia, are you giving up on waiting out BB to leave? Of the teams mentioned, you could consider the Giants or a Bengals for the likely job security.
     
  8. wilked

    wilked Member SoSH Member

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    The other question is that if you were McD or Patricia, which feels more likely to be the incumbent and thus feels more secure?
     
  9. Import78

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    Football Outsiders just did an article on coaching vacancies. http://www.footballoutsiders.com/scramble/2017/scramble-ball-coaching-carousel

    I think the problem with potential openings in general is that if you have good location, ownership, talent and future outlook you probably don't also have a coaching vacancy. The real question is which opening is the least of evils.
     
  10. OurF'ingCity

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    Giants are obviously the premiere landing spot this offseason because they have good ownership and some talent and their shitty record is to some degree a result of bad luck/bad coaching and not a history of ineptness like the Browns, etc. I could see either McD or Patricia going there (McD more likely because of the greatness of the Pats offense and his previous head coaching experience; Patricia strikes me as more of a Romeo Crennel-type who would probably only be hired by a team with fewer options).
     
  11. InstaFace

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    Honestly, as much as it pains me to say it (for several reasons), the best ownership among vacancies right now is probably in East Rutherford. That's the only move that wouldn't surprise me.

    edit: dammit OFC.
     
  12. Kliq

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    Arians I think has been overrated in recent years but I think he has done the best he could this year. They close with Titans, Washington, Giants, Seahawks so he could get that team to 7-9. Considering they lost key players from their defense from last season (most notably Calais Campbell), had their all-world RB go down in preseason, and is now starting Blaine Gabbert at QB, I think he has earned another year.
     
  13. Hoya81

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    With Arians, it’s more along the lines that he’s had some health issues and might not be up for the rebuild that’s coming after Palmer goes.
     
  14. Morgan's Magic Snowplow

    Morgan's Magic Snowplow Well-Known Member Gold Supporter SoSH Member

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    The nightmare scenario is the NYG trying to land Caserio and McDaniels as a package deal.
     
  15. Royal Reader

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    In a generic "Who has a vacancy" thread, sure. But they're more likely to hire Belichick than McDaniels, and I get the feeling the McD experience will probably sour them on any Pats co ordinator more generaly.
     
  16. Harry Hooper

    Harry Hooper Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Giants ownership WAS highly regarded, but maybe Mara's weasel-ish ways with his coaches in recent years changes things.
     
  17. Ralphwiggum

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    Right, I was just noting that I think the job might be open, but obviously they are not going to hire McDaniels.
     
  18. loshjott

    loshjott Well-Known Member Gold Supporter SoSH Member

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    Could you at least put some effort into this and not recycle the same post every year.
     
  19. lexrageorge

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    Except he's not wrong.

    On topic: The Jints need to hire a GM first; once that's done, McDaniels would be the odds on favorite to be patrolling the sideline in New Jersey.
     
  20. Ralphwiggum

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    ???

    [QUOTE="lOn topic: The Jints need to hire a GM first; once that's done, McDaniels would be the odds on favorite to be patrolling the sideline in New Jersey.[/QUOTE]

    I thought McD didn't take the 49ers job last year because they wanted Lynch as GM and McDaniels only wanted to take a job with a GM he knew and trusted? At least that's what Burt Breer said on Toucher & Rich the other day. He was speculating that if it goes down that way, McDaniels won't take the job. McD and a GM that he approves of is a package deal.
     
  21. Royal Reader

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    If this year is the "Let's run it all back one more time" year that not extending Marv implies, they could well quietly part ways this offseason. The "by mutual consent" departure isn't common in Football, but I could easily see it happening here.
     
  22. loshjott

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    It must be me if everyone's sarcasm meter is off.

    Every off season the thought is Lewis should go but he doesn't.

    I don't expect this year to be different.
     
  23. Rudy's Curve

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    They're going to be coming off consecutive non-playoff seasons for the first time since 2008 and he doesn't have a contract for next year so they won't have to pay two coaches. I suspect this is finally it.
     
  24. Royal Reader

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    Everyone got that that is what you're saying.

    I'm not sure why that qualifies as sarcasm.
     
  25. Ralphwiggum

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    I actually spent a minute looking for last year's coaching carousel thread to see if I had made the same post then.
     
  26. Reverend

    Reverend for king and country Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    This saddens me.

    It wasn’t even that bad of a joke...
     
  27. wiffleballhero

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    I thought it was pretty funny.
     
  28. Welain81

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    bad joke? i'm laughing the first time today, lol :D as in answering OP's question where they would go? - nowhere. most likely.
     
  29. Mystic Merlin

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    If the recent reports/scuttlebutt are true, the Giants are going to stick to tradition and hire a GM that will then pick the coach. The wisdom of the approach aside, this means - if the speed with which they appear to be moving are any sign - that Caserio would be a longshot because he can't be hired until the Pats' season is over. That likely isn't happening until mid-January because the Pats have the inside track to a bye. Unless Accorsi - who has no obvious connection to Caserio - deems Caserio worth the wait/risk that Caserio doesn't want the job, then I'm not seeing the 'Caserio/McDaniels package' stars aligning under the Giants' purported GM/coach hiring approach.

    If I'm McDaniels I don't take any job unless the ownership is stable/supportive (Giants: check) and the I am comfortable with the GM (obviously an unknown right now).
     
  30. Super Nomario

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    Louis Riddick / McDaniels is another combo I've heard.
     
  31. BigJimEd

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    I agree that any candidate should take another look at the Giants ownership. They basically just canned their GM and coach after some bad PR and are dictating on field moves.

    Now they likely would have moved on after the season anyway but it would still make me pause if I was a top candidate.
     
  32. Morgan's Magic Snowplow

    Morgan's Magic Snowplow Well-Known Member Gold Supporter SoSH Member

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    Nah. That ownership group has an excellent track record of giving their football people long leashes and lots of autonomy. They've had two GMs and three head coaches in the last 20 years. The situation this year was all kinds of screwed up and they arguably did the right thing in moving on from McAdoo, who seemed to have lost the team, and Reese, whose recent performance in the draft and free agency has been very lackluster. Overall, this is one of the best ownership situations you're going to find as a prospective GM or head coach.
     
  33. Harry Hooper

    Harry Hooper Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Had...an excellent track record. Before the latest zaniness there was the ugly Coughlin departure.
     
  34. Dogman2

    Dogman2 Yukon Cornelius Dope

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    I'm still laughing.
     
  35. Morgan's Magic Snowplow

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    I don't think they were wrong to have fired Coughlin, or forced him to resign. He had made the playoffs once in the previous seven years and at 69-years-old it was hard to see the case for him going forward.

    You can't - in fact, you shouldn't - expect an ownership group never to fire a coach or GM.

    Bottom line is that if you're wary of the NYG job due to perceived problems with the ownership then there are probably only 6-7 NFL jobs you are going to want.
     
  36. maufman

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    I think there will be fewer head coaching vacancies than usual.

    The Giants job is already open, John Fox is a dead man walking in Chicago, and I think this is the year the Bengals and Colts finally move on from Lewis and Pagano, respectively.

    Beyond those four, however, I think all the incumbents are more likely than not to stick around. I think the Broncos, Bucs, and Jets will give their coaches one more year to show results, I don’t think Arians will choose to go out on such a sour note. And I certainly don’t think Gruden or (especially) Reid is in any danger. There have been rumors that Garrett and BOB might be on the hot seat also, but I think that’s crazy talk.

    I’m sure I’ll be wrong about one of those incumbents, or maybe even two — but that still leaves us with five openings, or six at the very most.

    I’ll be a contrarian and say the Giants’ job is the worst of the likely openings. Eli is over the hill, and you’re stuck with him for another year. The Browns will draft #1 and finally address their QB situation, and I don’t think there’s a second blue-chip QB in this year’s class besides Darnold. You’re probably stuck with OBJ long term, and I don’t think he’ll be worth the money he gets. And between the “Elvis in Vegas” stage of Coughlin’s career and the tire fire that was McAdoo’s tenure, the culture is broken. Yet, you don’t have the tempered expectations that normally come with a rebuild — no way the next coach gets 4 years to produce a 10-win season.

    I’d take Cindy, Indy, or (especially) Chicago over that situation. I think I’d take any of the maybes too, with the possible exception of Denver — Elway seems like a shitty boss, and expectations there are not at all realistic.
     
  37. BigSoxFan

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    None of which will have any vacancies because they already have a quality guy in place. Unless he knows BB is retiring soon, I think McDaniels would be crazy to pass up the Giants. Big market. Pretty good talent on the team. High draft pick coming. All the ingredients are there to make a quick turnaround that you’d get most of the credit for.
     
  38. Mystic Merlin

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    I'd be surprised if Koetter and Joseph both were retained, their teams have been fucking disasters. Koetter in particular has to be vulnerable because he has a tenable QB and they dumped a truck of money into DeSean Jackson's lap, creating playoff expectations down there.

    The fact JAX has played well with bottom of the barrel production from their QB won't help Joseph. What may help him is his youth; Elway might give him some rope.
     
  39. maufman

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    The Broncos’ defense has showed its age this year, and they are an early favorite to enter the 2018 season with the league’s worst QB situation. If Elway decides he wants to hire his fourth head coach in five years, I think blue-chip candidates will pass on the opportunity. That doesn’t matter if Elway wants to cut his losses on Joseph and has his eye on a coordinator who isn’t on most people’s short lists, but otherwise, I think he decides giving Joseph another year is his best option.
     
  40. Super Nomario

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    Rumors today that Jim Caldwell is on the hot seat in Detroit. GM Bob Quinn has NE ties; would be a logical spot for McDaniels or maybe Patricia.
     
  41. luckiestman

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    If he has the inside track on someone better, I guess it’s fine. Otherwise, I don’t see what Caldwell has done to get fired. These teams that historically suck should maybe focus on being stabilized for ten minutes before they keep firing people.
     
  42. lexrageorge

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    A nit regarding the bolded: Eli's contract makes him tradeable or even cuttable this offseason. So, it's not necessarily correct that the Giants new coach will be stuck with Eli. Of course, it's not really going to be the new coach's decision.
     
  43. Mugsy's Walk-Off Bunt

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    This is me being unfair, and basing it on a look, a Goodell t shirt wardrobe choice, and a demeanor I've had limited exposure to, even just on sideline highlights, but...

    I don't have a ton of confidence that Patricia will make a great head coach. It's tough to judge esp bc B.B. doesn't let his coaches off the leash too often, so maybe I'm wrong about Matty P's personality, but more than most coordinators, he seems a LOT like a coordinator that should stay a coordinator. I have no problem, otoh, seeing josh that way, even given his failure the last time out.
     
  44. Super Nomario

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    I think I agree with you, especially if firing Caldwell means losing Teryl Austin or Jim Bob Cooter. Quinn didn't hire Caldwell, however, so he may want his own guy.
     
  45. jsinger121

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    I can't see new Browns GM John Dorsey sticking with Hue Jackson after this season. He will need to convince Haslam to dump him.
     

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