The all-new should we trade for Mike Stanton thread

[MakMan44]

 
I didn't say they would, just that they can't be ruled out.  Their farm system ranks just a high as ours.  I also find it amusing that some people grade Stanton out as equal to a young Miguel Cabrera and then assume a team with the depth to trade for him wouldn't be interested because they need pitching more.  Sounds like wishful thinking.  Also, saying they're projected to be worth more than together than Stanton assumes both pan out.  Even great prospects fail sometimes. 
 
All this being said, I don't think Stanton goes anywhere this year anyway, and probably isn't even traded in the offseason.  The Marlins have a better record than we do and control him for two years after this one.  They also only have $14 million in payroll for next year. 

Yeah, I agree and acknowledge that. I still don't see them trading either for Stanton but I could turn out to be totally wrong. 
 
It'll be interesting to see what happens through this season though. I don't think they'll move him mid season and if they end the year at or above .500, I agree, I don't think they'll move him then either. There has to be a point where the blow back from the fans won't equal the prospects you get/how much money you'll save from trading Stanton and trading Stanton after ending the year on such a positive note, IMO, would be that point. Sure, the fans will likely return when the team starts winning again but you're going to lose a lot of money in the meantime. Then again, it's Loria, so who actually knows?

 

[gammoseditor]

The Marlins traded Cabrera with 2 years of control left.  That would be this offseason for Stanton.  However, they were also coming off a season where they went 71-91.  It's still early.  They could fall apart this year and be just as bad.  Or they could be good and move him anyway. 

 

[gammoseditor]

Who did both of these things?

Of course no team can be ruled out. I could say that they will trade him to the Nationals for Bryce Harper and Stephen Strasburg and, well, you "can't rule it out". But you can use some common sense and logic about it. Because they have a really strong farm system doesn't mean they are necessarily a bidder. I don't see anyone throwing out the Astros as a landing spot and they have plenty of money, have spent plenty in the past, have a new owner looking to make a splash and have probably the best collection of young talent in the game.

As to your second comment, you're missing the point. He will not resign with them. He has been extremely vocal about his distaste for Loria and the practices of the team. Even if he weren't, would you expect them to win a bidding war in FA? Highly unlikely. So, as the Marlins do and have done since their inception, they will trade him. The sooner they do, the more value they get in return. It's not like they're worried about selling tickets.

I never said they were going to resign him. You're missing my point. And if you think the nationals are as likely to trade Bryce Harper for him as the cubs are to trade Javier Baez for him then I think we can agree to disagree on this one.

 

[pdub]

For what its worth, I REALLY wanted Boston in on Cabrera when he was made available. He was a consistently amazing hitter and still is to this day. I see some parallels in Stanton. The kid is young, has a strong arm, and may have the best raw power in the whole MLB. He's also quite motivated to win, as we've seen his public displeasure with the Marlins team. He's slugging .600+ this year, a feat he's accomplished before. His WORST season still had him slugging near .500. Imagine his skills on a deeper lineup and with a better chance at winning. I'm not sure what Miami wants for him but I will/would entertain almost any offer. I'm not down for including Bogaerts, but everyone else can be had depending on the combination. 

 

[jimbobim]

Does Fernandez gone for a year and a half to tommy john accelerate the Stanton sweeptstakes ? Right now the Marlins could conceivably ask for two top ten ranked prospects  with both having to be real close to playing right now. In addition you would probably have to hand over a high upside arm and a younger lottery ticket.  
 
I think the contenders would be Red Sox ,Orioles, Rangers, St.Louis maybe Seattle/Oakland. 
 
Really all about the prospects but Beane in Oakland would probably call. 

 

[MakMan44]

A lot of people have been bringing that up and I've seen a lot of nos. They weren't going to seriously contend this year anyway.
 
The Marlins are apparently going to make a big push to sign him some point soon though.

 

[snowmanny]

The Marlins may not re-sign him if he hits FA but it's not like they couldn't. They've made a 200 Million dollar offer to a free agent; the Red Sox have never done that.

 

[Snodgrass'Muff]

I know Stanton has voiced displeasure with the Marlins, but if he gets full no trade protection, I could see him signing long term.  It wouldn't mean he doesn't eventually still get traded, but he would have control over where.  So if he just wants stability and to know where he'll be for the foreseeable future, he has that.  If he wants to play for a contender, he can still have some say there in a few seasons.
 
If he wants to play for a winner right now... or at least in the short term, he'll wait it out, but the amount of money he'll have to turn down to get to that contender is going to be tough to resist.

 

[jimbobim]

Loria can write whatever number and years he wants but the fact is he has steadfastly refused to ever give a no trade clause. Stanton has multiple examples of RHH superstars to use as templates Han Ram and Miguel.
 
You can play for an LA, DET, or insert perennial contender with no qualms about money and commitment.  
 
Or you can play for the dirt  bag loria. 

 

[WenZink]

Does Fernandez gone for a year and a half to tommy john accelerate the Stanton sweeptstakes ? Right now the Marlins could conceivably ask for two top ten ranked prospects  with both having to be real close to playing right now. In addition you would probably have to hand over a high upside arm and a younger lottery ticket.  
 
I think the contenders would be Red Sox ,Orioles, Rangers, St.Louis maybe Seattle/Oakland. 
 
Really all about the prospects but Beane in Oakland would probably call. 

 
Before Fernandez' injury I thought Stanton was a goner from Miami, since there is no way a team with anywhere near the Marlins' payroll could have two $25 mil AAV contracts on the same team -- and that Fernandez would be the chosen one, and Stanton the odd man out.  Now, with Fernandez no longer such a sure thing, Loria could sign Stanton and take a wait-and-see position on Fernandez and his recovery.

 

[soxhop411]

I would assume if a trade for Giancarlo Stanton happens it would be this offseason at the earliest. Though even if MIA keeps him until he becomes a FA, I would think that BOS can outbid anyone (in $$$) given we currently only have one player under contract in 2017 I believe 

 

[soxhop411]

Stanton will be pissed if Steve Cishek is traded
 

 
ATLANTA -- After watching the Marlins routinely trade players to dump salary, All-Star outfielderGiancarlo Stanton has made it known that he wants to see the team start showing franchise stability and a commitment to winning.
Trading closer Steve Cishek, according to a major-league scout, might send the wrong message to Stanton, especially if the return is a haul of prospects, which is what the Padres received from the Angels in their trade for closer Huston Street a few days ago.
“I don’t think there’s much chance Stanton ends up staying [long-term] with the Marlins anyway,” the source said. “But if they move Cishek, what’s that telling [Stanton]? If they traded Cishek, they could pretty much kiss him goodbye.
With the Marlins gradually sliding out of the playoff race, the Cishek trade rumors are beginning to heat up.
But, so far, the Marlins are telling teams they haven’t made a decision on which direction they intend to go — with Cishek or with anyone else — as the July 31 non-waiver trading deadline approaches, the source said. The Marlins could be waiting on the outcome of their four-game series with the Braves before making up their minds.
Cishek is making $3.8 million this season and will command much more than that next season through salary arbitration, making the reliever an obvious trade candidate for the payroll-challenged Marlins.
Cishek’s trade value is enhanced by the fact that he’s not eligible for free agency until 2018, and any acquiring team could control him for three seasons beyond this one.
The Marlins intend to offer Stanton a contract extension after the season. The actions they take in the days leading up to July 31 could greatly influence those discussions.
 
 

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