The 2018 NBA Draft

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I know that we're obsessed with shotblocking and rebounding, but it just isn't a high priority with Stevens/Ainge. They seem to put a much greater stress on shooting, deflections, and mobility (i.e. the ability to handle switches). I suspect that they'd take Jackson if given their druthers.
 

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I have no doubt that Ainge inquired with Memphis about #4 though. It's unfortunate that Conley is there and making so much money though. Not really a fit for Rozier.
 

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That’s what I think too. I just don’t see what they get (in terms of a vet) that is decent value.

Any ideas?
Is there any offer they can make to San Antonio for Kawhi? The fourth pick in this draft might be as good a centerpiece as the Spurs might get offered for him, but not sure what salaries they can tack on to make it work that the Spurs would be ok taking back (without touching Gasol and Conley in this hypothetical of course).
 

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I know that we're obsessed with shotblocking and rebounding, but it just isn't a high priority with Stevens/Ainge. They seem to put a much greater stress on shooting, deflections, and mobility (i.e. the ability to handle switches). I suspect that they'd take Jackson if given their druthers.
Want to provide some reasoning as to why you think Stevens/Ainge think this way? Based on their drafting habits I don't see any reason for thinking that way.
 

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I know their ownership is unstable; but holy shit how dumb is Memphis if they think they can turn the #4 pick into something they can pair with Conley and Gasol to "compete" in the West. Just rebuild using the fourth pick in an awesome draft!
 

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You do have to wonder what the price for #4 would be from Memphis. They would obviously start by asking for Tatum or Brown and would quickly get rejected.

Wonder how close Sac 2019, Memphis 2019-2021, and #27 gets us to #4. Probably not close enough since I'm sure they could probably get a later 2018 lotto pick and future first from someone.
I don't see anything close to a match with us even if Ainge wanted to overpay which he simply doesn't do. We know that Wallace's niche in this league is to manage small market payrolls so at best it needs to be a team with a good starter that is a salary match for Parsons. Someone like a Blake maybe.
 

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Has there ever been a trade that resulted in a team getting their own pick back?
One of the 1st rounders in the KG trade was Minnesota’s own in 2009, which they used on Jonny Flynn instead of Steph Curry.

The C’s had received it as part of the Rocky Davis/Wally trade. It was lotto-protected so no, we never had a shot at Curry.
 

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I know their ownership is unstable; but holy shit how dumb is Memphis if they think they can turn the #4 pick into something they can pair with Conley and Gasol to "compete" in the West. Just rebuild using the fourth pick in an awesome draft!
Whoever said anything about trying to "compete" in the West? This is a business and a small market team at that who desperately needs to put a competitive product on the floor or their revenue takes a major hit. You also have a GM calling the shots and he may be on the hot seat so he isn't about to trade the 4 now for a future pick(s) that convey after he is out.
 

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Want to provide some reasoning as to why you think Stevens/Ainge think this way? Based on their drafting habits I don't see any reason for thinking that way.
How many shotblocking/rebounding post players has Boston really chased after in the Stevens era? They consistently pass over those guys for the switchy players. Look at all the people that complained about Boston's choice of Ojeleye over the rim running/rebounding Jordan Bell last year. Or the selection of Jaylen Brown over Dragan Bender in 2016. Or even their rejection of a deal based around rim running/rebounding Nerlens Noel for #3 that same year.

Stevens has talked about their vision of a three position team, lead guard, wing(s), and big men, and in the latter category they seem to prioritize the multi-skilled mobil players like Horford over the traditional bigs. So, if given the choice between a 6'11" 240lb guy with wing athleticism that generates a lot of deflections defensively and spaces the floor offensively and a more traditional center, I'd wager they go with the guy that fits their three position vision of the NBA game.
 

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How many shotblocking/rebounding post players has Boston really chased after in the Stevens era? They consistently pass over those guys for the switchy players. Look at all the people that complained about Boston's choice of Ojeleye over the rim running/rebounding Jordan Bell last year. Or the selection of Jaylen Brown over Dragan Bender in 2016. Or even their rejection of a deal based around rim running/rebounding Nerlens Noel for #3 that same year.

Stevens has talked about their vision of a three position team, lead guard, wing(s), and big men, and in the latter category they seem to prioritize the multi-skilled mobil players like Horford over the traditional bigs. So, if given the choice between a 6'11" 240lb guy with wing athleticism that generates a lot of deflections defensively and spaces the floor offensively and a more traditional center, I'd wager they go with the guy that fits their three position vision of the NBA game.
Yeah, this isn't just theoretical either, Bamba's a great defensive prospect, but there's a bunch of reasons to think Jackson is a better one, not least of which are his versatility, age and superior BBIQ.

The DraftExpress videos may have gone the way of the ESPN Insider content, but these are pretty good videos highlighting Bamba and Jackson Jr's defense:


 

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I know their ownership is unstable; but holy shit how dumb is Memphis if they think they can turn the #4 pick into something they can pair with Conley and Gasol to "compete" in the West. Just rebuild using the fourth pick in an awesome draft!
I don't know, if they could turn Parsons and #4 into Kawhi Leonard they'll have gone a long way towards fielding a western conference playoff team that can make the second round.
 

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How many shotblocking/rebounding post players has Boston really chased after in the Stevens era? They consistently pass over those guys for the switchy players. Look at all the people that complained about Boston's choice of Ojeleye over the rim running/rebounding Jordan Bell last year. Or the selection of Jaylen Brown over Dragan Bender in 2016. Or even their rejection of a deal based around rim running/rebounding Nerlens Noel for #3 that same year.

Stevens has talked about their vision of a three position team, lead guard, wing(s), and big men, and in the latter category they seem to prioritize the multi-skilled mobil players like Horford over the traditional bigs. So, if given the choice between a 6'11" 240lb guy with wing athleticism that generates a lot of deflections defensively and spaces the floor offensively and a more traditional center, I'd wager they go with the guy that fits their three position vision of the NBA game.
agree.
Draft a long, athletic wing or skilled PG (Brunsen) that replaces Larkin this year and Rozier next.

No need to draft a young, clumsy big late in the first that will take years to develop in Brad's sophisticated system. The Celtics can go to the veteran dustbin to find experienced classic bigs that will lean on Embiid, Drummond, Cousins 15-20mins/night. Those guys can probably be had cheaply (vet min or less,1yr deals) for example Baynes, Mejri, Dedmon (opts out), Monroe, O'Quinn (opts out), Zeller (trade), Noel? Brooks Lopez? etc. There should be plenty of those guys available this offseason.
 

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I don't know, if they could turn Parsons and #4 into Kawhi Leonard they'll have gone a long way towards fielding a western conference playoff team that can make the second round.
That is one mighty big “if”.
 

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A high-quality picture of Marc Gasol in there, with a choice tshirt.


Anyway, linked from that same article, Robert Pera has been an absentee owner who rarely attends games or grants interviews. Until and unless Chris Wallace truly embarrasses him, or misspends too much money, he strikes me as if he's going to be much more in the vein of Stan Kroenke's ownership of Arsenal - benign neglect.
 

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KOC at the combine: https://www.theringer.com/nba/2018/5/21/17374906/nba-draft-combine-rumblings-takeaways

Villanova guard Donte DiVincenzo is expected by most executives I spoke with to return to Villanova despite a strong showing in Chicago. DiVincenzo impressed with his energetic defense and shotmaking off the dribble. Though it’s not inconceivable he’d get drafted in the first round, a return to school could lead to a rise similar to that of teammate Mikal Bridges this season.
He mentions Okogie, from Ga Tech. I like this comment:
Georgia Tech’s Josh Okogie impressed as a 3-and-D wing tailor-made for today’s NBA. Okogie defended four positions, hit spot-up 3s, and attacked the rim in transition and in closeout situations. His shot selection is still iffy, but it’s a forgivable weakness considering he’s only 19.
 

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Villanova guard Donte DiVincenzo is expected by most executives I spoke with to return to Villanova despite a strong showing in Chicago. DiVincenzo impressed with his energetic defense and shotmaking off the dribble. Though it’s not inconceivable he’d get drafted in the first round, a return to school could lead to a rise similar to that of teammate Mikal Bridges this season.
This is interesting and pretty much runs counter to all of the rumblings coming out of the Nova community. The common belief there is that both Donte and Omari Spellman are gone.
 

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This is interesting and pretty much runs counter to all of the rumblings coming out of the Nova community. The common belief there is that both Donte and Omari Spellman are gone.
Is DD's stock every going to be higher than it is currently? Unless he and his people are figuring on him looking a lot better in a less deep 2019 draft class, he should stay in.
 

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I would be pretty surprised if Donte can’t get a first round guarantee. I don’t see how an extra year in college helps him much. He’s not a physical specimen needing skill refinement like Bridges.
 

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According to Adam Zagoria, the Celtics worked out UNC guard/forward Theo Pinson. I like Pinson's all-around game.
Interesting, I have him plugged into the 40-50 range on my mock. I wonder if they're trading out of the first round?
 

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I would be pretty surprised if Donte can’t get a first round guarantee. I don’t see how an extra year in college helps him much. He’s not a physical specimen needing skill refinement like Bridges.
Well he figures to be the focal point of the offense, depending on recruiting situation
Very different to be a high usage starter on a contender vs a spark of the bench in terms of prospect upside.
Plus next year draft looks pretty eh
 

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Doubtful they are using your big board for their rankings :)
I think I’m a little aggressive on Pinson because I like him. I haven’t heard anything prior to this indicating that any team had first round interest in him at all. Most of the mocks I’ve seen don’t even list him.
 

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How many shotblocking/rebounding post players has Boston really chased after in the Stevens era? They consistently pass over those guys for the switchy players. Look at all the people that complained about Boston's choice of Ojeleye over the rim running/rebounding Jordan Bell last year. Or the selection of Jaylen Brown over Dragan Bender in 2016. Or even their rejection of a deal based around rim running/rebounding Nerlens Noel for #3 that same year.

Stevens has talked about their vision of a three position team, lead guard, wing(s), and big men, and in the latter category they seem to prioritize the multi-skilled mobil players like Horford over the traditional bigs. So, if given the choice between a 6'11" 240lb guy with wing athleticism that generates a lot of deflections defensively and spaces the floor offensively and a more traditional center, I'd wager they go with the guy that fits their three position vision of the NBA game.
Totally agree, and when you watch the playoffs, it's not hard to see why. If you're a big man who has any mobility issues on defense, at all, you're at risk of being run off the floor. Al Horford is never getting run off the floor.
 

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I think I’m a little aggressive on Pinson because I like him. I haven’t heard anything prior to this indicating that any team had first round interest in him at all. Most of the mocks I’ve seen don’t even list him.
I expect Ainge to do his due diligence on all levels of the personnel chain as we could easily end up with a 2nd round pick in any offseason trade. Of course, Ainge holding a 2nd rounder isn't anything to get your hopes up about. ;)
 

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I'm listening to KOC on a Ringer podcast and they voiced some concerns they've heard about Doncic related to stress injuries - kinda similar to the concerns with Japanese pitchers being overworked at a young age. He's played a ton of basketball over the past two years. Is he young enough that this isn't a big deal? Is it a legit concern? KOC still has him #1 and after he was such a staunch Tatum supporter I tend to trust him.
 
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I'd like to believe that Travis Schlenk and the Hawks are leading a disinformation campaign to trick Sacramento into not picking Doncic second if Ayton goes first, so that Atlanta can get Doncic at #3.
It's the Hawks, aren't they destined to screw this up and draft Trae Young?
 

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It's the Hawks, aren't they destined to screw this up and draft Trae Young?
Aren’t the Kings much more likely to screw up a draft pick than the Hawks? This could be a truly crazy lottery with so many bad FOs involved.
 

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Aren’t the Kings much more likely to screw up a draft pick than the Hawks? This could be a truly crazy lottery with so many bad FOs involved.
Excellent point, so the Kings draft Mo Bamba followed by the Hawks grabbing Young? That would be the most Kingsy/Hawksy draft ever.
 

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Donte DiVincenzo has decided to sign with an agent and remain in the draft. I'd love it if he were still there at 27. My gut tells me he'll go top 15.
Agreed on both counts. He lit up the combine and is reportedly shooting up draft boards. Unfortunately don;t think the Celts will have a crack at him at this point. No-brainer decision for him.
 

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Agreed on both counts. He lit up the combine and is reportedly shooting up draft boards. Unfortunately don;t think the Celts will have a crack at him at this point. No-brainer decision for him.
I think Philly would jump all over him at #26 right in front of us if he did somehow last into the mid-20s (that's currently exactly where Tankathon has him). Both Bridges and Donte would make a lot of sense for that team. If Danny can get a mid-round 1st, I'd love to see him scoop him up.
 

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Has anyone here ever attended the NBA Draft? It just so happens that our summer vacation road trip winds down in NY on that Thurs and we are probably going to attend.

Is this one of those events that are really awful live as the coverage and information is so much better from the couch? I'm thinking it may be but wanted to hear if anyone had experienced this before we decide. Thanks in advance.
 

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Has anyone here ever attended the NBA Draft? It just so happens that our summer vacation road trip winds down in NY on that Thurs and we are probably going to attend.

Is this one of those events that are really awful live as the coverage and information is so much better from the couch? I'm thinking it may be but wanted to hear if anyone had experienced this before we decide. Thanks in advance.
I've been last 2 years due to work connection and it's actually a pretty fun event. I was able to talk to several players, coaches, agents, etc. Last year was even more fun than 2016 due to the Ball element.

There's obviously a delay on the information but you can always follow SoSH on your phone for that.
 

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I've been last 2 years due to work connection and it's actually a pretty fun event. I was able to talk to several players, coaches, agents, etc. Last year was even more fun than 2016 due to the Ball element.

There's obviously a delay on the information but you can always follow SoSH on your phone for that.
If I dragged the wifey to an NBA Draft and spent half of my time looking down at my phone I would be banished to the couch!