The 2015 NBA Finals Game Thread AKA Battle Of The Australian Institute Of Sport

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-My biggest concern with GS heading into the season was that they had such little playoff experience, none of their players had even played in a conference final before, except for Barbosa. The fact that they did the hardest thing in the NBA (close out a team on the road) is the best testament to their greatness as a complete organizatio.
- Green, Iggy and Barnes did a plus job on offense hitting the shots that Cleveland dared them to make. That did a lot to offset the bad game Klay had.
- If you want to make LeBron or Curry the MVP I'm fine with that. However Iggy was the MVP in my opinion. Not only did the series change when he came into the starting lineup but his defense was amazing. He forced LeBron into 20 missed shots a game. Think about that.
- This series didn't change my thoughts on LeBron that much. He came into the series with little help so he needed to do almost everything for his team. The games shifted to small ball which I think.played into his favor (although overall it still strongly favored GS) and his team got beat by a thoroughly better squad.
- I'd be lying if I said I didn't relish the irony of LeBron during this series. LeBron didn't come back to Cleveland just because he wanted to go home, he did it because he needed help to win and Miami wasn't supplying that. So he went back to Cleveland, built a new big three, but unfortunately for him injuries forced this series to almost mirror last season's finals with LeBron unable to single handedly beat a better team.
- I think Blatt did a good job this series. He did the best with what he had and tried everything he possibly could to get the.most out of his limited team.
- Congratulations to the Warriors and all their fans, you guys deserve this.
 

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I thought this series was done after game 4. Cleveland threw some wrinkles to golden state, it golden state 4 games to find thei right counter and once it did, the cavs didn't have any extra pieces to readjust. These teams could meet again next year and if they re both healthy, it could be an even tighter series.
 
Much the same for Golden State all postseason, starting slow in series then figuring it out and winning easily
 

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Are they going to interview everyone?
 
I just wonder if they're going to interview Riley, a la Kaz Uehara.
 

 
 
Man, this is so boring.  Nobody wants to see the Warriors answering terrible Doris Burke questions.  We want to see them enjoying themselves in the locker room drinking champagne.
 

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Curry was great tonight.  Stats don't do it justice (only 8 assists), but he carved up the Cavs aggressive trapping D all night long.  Almost always made the perfect pass, with perfect timing. If his teammates didn't fall apart in the 2nd quarter, the Warriors would have won by 30.  To be honest, I thought the Cavs were too aggressive on Steph.  He's a great shooter, but he picked them apart so easily I would have forced him to try to score more on his own. They basically were guaranteeing a wide open shot for the Warriors for much of the 2nd half with their defensive strategy.

 

I honestly don't care much about the individual awards, but the Iggy winning MVP was sort of silly.  Lebron had a monster series for the ages guarded mostly by Iggy, and Curry was the engine and offensive genius for the Warriors. Almost all of Iggy's offense came because Curry got so much attention and was so good at finding the open man.  And Curry's offensive stats were better anyway.

 

Certainly you can argue Lebron should have won if you're OK with a losing player getting it.  But otherwise, it was Curry's award, and its not even close in my mind. 
 

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Perhaps trading Wiggins to Minnesota was not the best move for the Cleveland franchise after all.
 

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To continue the MVP talk (maybe I do care?)….
 
Iggy averaged 16 points, 4 asst, and 6 reb
Steph averaged 26 points, 6 asst, and 5 reb
 
This is all while the Cavs were double teaming Curry essentially every play and doing everything in their power not to let him shoot.  Meanwhile, the Cavs were purposely leaving Iggy open and begging him to shoot all game.  Iggy also shot 36% from the line (Curry 89%), and had to be taken out during crunch time. 
 
I actually think Iggy was solid guarding Lebron even though Lebron had absurd stats, but even so, no way he gets my MVP.  The Warriors entire offense is based on Curry, and he delivered.  
 

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 Good for Iggy, he deserves this moment.
 
Congrats to the Warriors and their fans.
 
Cleveland fans, it's hard, but don't put this on your list of disappointments, because your team's effort was too valiant to be viewed like that.  
 
I just wish the series could have gone seven.  
 

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Congrats to GS.

Serious question: did iggy shoot a higher percentage from 3 in this series than from the free throw line?
 
 
14-35 from 3 (40 %), 10-28 from the FT line (35.7%), so yep. 
 

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A couple of observations.  

In Bill Simmons Big Book of Basketball he discusses a meeting with Isiah Thomas where Thomas reveals the "secret of basketball".  In short, what Isiah imparted to Simmons was that in order to win, you need players who sacrifice caring about their individual roles and stats for the team.  I know the Warriors are a flashy team and they are characterized as a jump-shooting or finesse team.  In reality they were a defense-first squad (number one in the league) but another part of their make-up was that guys like Andre Iguoadala and David Lee as well as Shaun Livingston and more recently, Andrew Bogut accepting lesser roles roles in order to compete for a championship.

 It doesn't matter what era you are talking about - its rare to find players who will give up their numbers/touches etc in order to win.  This team was all about that.  
 
Steve Kerr is was a good NBA player.  He was also a good NBA executive too.  Now he has to be regarded as a very good NBA coach.  What a brilliant season, playoffs and finals.  The guy is fantastic all the way around.
 
Finally, LeBron James is the single greatest player I've seen play and that includes Bird, Magic, MJ, Shaq and Kobe (yes he deserves mention here).  What he did this series is stunning - he almost single-handedly willed this squad to a seventh game and possible championship.  Nothing bad to say about him - he is brilliant.
 

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Perfectly constructed roster and brilliantly coached. Such a joy to watch. They'll win a couple more.
Sorry if this was already posted, but fantastic article by Chris Ballard on the role of Jerry West here: http://www.si.com/nba/2015/06/11/jerry-west-nba-finals-golden-state-warriors?page=4&devicetype=default.

Found this section on Harrison Barnes particularly interesting.

While with the Lakers and Grizzlies, West used to invite players for individual workouts, most notably Kobe Bryant but also Earl Watson, Dahntay Jones and others. When Warriors forward Harrison Barnes was drafted in 2012, he off-handedly asked West about doing the same. Last summer, two years later, to Barnes’s surprise, West called. “Why don’t you come down to L.A?” he said. Barnes did, expecting to meet at a local gym. Instead West insisted he stay at his house, along with then-Warriors assistant coach Joe Boylan, who was spending the summer working with Barnes. Barnes was prepared for “pomp and circumstance,” as he calls it, expecting a personal chef and a celebrity lifestyle befitting a sports legend. “But he was totally normal. Drove us around. Took us out to lunch. It was nuts.” Every morning, the group ate breakfast together, then headed to the nearby house of Steven Jackson, a sneaker mogul whose property includes a full-size replica of the Staples court. In Bel Air, this is the equivalent of nice landscaping.

Wearing a sweatsuit, West went to work with Barnes. As is his nature, he pulled no punches. Your footwork on the perimeter is atrocious, he told Barnes. You can’t make a f--king right-hand layup at all. Your jumpshot is pretty good but not great.

With Boylan helping, West then led Barnes through a series of drills. He warmed him up with 10 bank shots, in West’s estimation the easiest way to determine if a shooter’s release is drifting left or right. Boylan had never seen this approach—he was always taught to start close, goose-necking the ball with one hand—but as he says, “Jerry said bank shots and he could shoot the s--t out of it, so we listened.” Explains West: “A shot is a lever, it’s all it is. You don’t open a car door differently each time. A car door is efficient—it opens and closes. So is a shot.”

To improve Barnes’s shot, West had him shoot 10 free throws with virtually no arc, then 10 with normal arc, then 10 with exaggerated arc. To encourage innate decisions, West had Boylan close out on Barnes repeatedly, mixing up his angle each time and forcing Barnes to react rather than think. West showed Barnes how to fall away in the post rather than lean in when turning to the middle (“he was making himself smaller”). And, most important in Barnes’s mind, West changed the way he attacked the basket. Rather than gliding in to finish, West harped on Barnes to take shorter, more explosive steps. To finish up, not out. To climb an imaginary ladder. Once Barnes got to the rim, West wanted him shooting the ball underhand. Barnes resisted. “I said, ‘Jerry, I shoot my shots overhand.’ He said that’s why you’re always clanking your layups off the rim. You have no touch. You have to get used to finishing underhanded, with spin on it.”
I was wondering how the Warriors seemed to get all of their personnel decisions correct. now I know.
 

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LOL @ Iguodala as MVP. That might be the biggest joke in sports this year.
 
I hated Lebron going into this year, but if he is not the GOAT, he is close. And if they played one-on-one, I think peak Lebron beats peak Jordan.
 

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You obviously haven't been watching this series. Lebron is not getting that many calls. 
 
He shot 67 FTs in the series in 6 games. If he shot at that rate for 82 games he'd have led the NBA in FTs attempted by almost 100 and it would have been top 15 or so all time.
 
 

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He shot 67 FTs in the series in 6 games. If he shot at that rate for 82 games he'd have led the NBA in FTs attempted by almost 100 and it would have been top 15 or so all time.
 
 
And, yet, he still didn't get a lot of calls, including some the NBA had to come out and say were missed. NBA misses.
 
It is worth mentioning that Lebron was the entire offense and he handled the ball for most of every game. And he drives to thehoop a lot. Naturally, the combination of those two would lead to a lot of free throws.
 

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Say what you will about the Iguodala MVP selection but I think he got it because of his defense on James. I know LeBron scored a ton but he had to work hard to get just about every point. And the tone of the series changed in favor of Golden State when Iguodala was inserted into the starting lineup.
 

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Congratulations to the Warriors. Hopefully a model the Celtics can emulate, since the "get a player anywhere near the caliber of Lebron James" approach is not going to happen for them.
 

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Say what you will about the Iguodala MVP selection but I think he got it because of his defense on James. I know LeBron scored a ton but he had to work hard to get just about every point.
Yea, not sure why it is so surprising that he won. Certainly isn't the travesty that many are making it out to be.
 

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Congratulations to the Warriors. Hopefully a model the Celtics can emulate, since the "get a player anywhere near the caliber of Lebron James" approach is not going to happen for them.
Just get the league MVP caliber player. Love it. Make it happen Danny!
 

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Just get the league MVP caliber player. Love it. Make it happen Danny!
Obviously easier said then done.  But, the glimmer of hope is the Warriors basically nailed a bevy of mid-lottery and second round draft picks.  No top 5 picks:
 
Curry #7 2009
Klay Thompson #11 2011
Harrison Barnes #7 2012
Festus Ezili #30 2012
Draymond Green #35 2012
 

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Yea, not sure why it is so surprising that he won. Certainly isn't the travesty that many are making it out to be.
 
I wouldn't call it a travesty, but as Lebron said in his press conferences, the entire team was guarding him.  Whenever he drove there was help, and there were lots of switches. Green, Thompson, Barnes and even Curry spent time on him too.
 
If you have to pick one guy who did it the most, I agree it was Iguodala.  But it wasn't like he was a Lebron stopper or anything.
 
Offensively, Iggy was an outlet guy Cleveland wanted to shoot the ball.  And he still only averaged 16 points per game, while shooting so horrifically from the line he had to be taken out down the stretch. Curry was the best non-Lebron player in the series IMO, and I don't think it was that close.  Their entire offense was based on Steph drawing 2 guys and making the correct pass, which he did time and time again.  And he still managed 26 points a game. 
 
Having said that, the Warriors seemed genuinely happy for Iguodala, so it certainly seemed like a good outcome for all involved.  Just not what I would have picked. Maybe I'd give him the "most surprising player" or "player most involved in changing the momentum of the series" award. But definitely not MVP.
 

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Obviously easier said then done.  But, the glimmer of hope is the Warriors basically nailed a bevy of mid-lottery and second round draft picks.  No top 5 picks:
 
Curry #7 2009
Klay Thompson #11 2011
Harrison Barnes #7 2012
Festus Ezili #30 2012
Draymond Green #35 2012
 
Ding ding ding like Hector Salamanca...
 

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leetinsley38 said:
Obviously easier said then done.  But, the glimmer of hope is the Warriors basically nailed a bevy of mid-lottery and second round draft picks.  No top 5 picks:
 
Curry #7 2009
Klay Thompson #11 2011
Harrison Barnes #7 2012
Festus Ezili #30 2012
Draymond Green #35 2012
Curry was a 4-year college guy now in his 6th season. Since players can be one-and-done now we can expect to develop a Curry-level talent by the 2024 season.

Sit tight fellas this isn't gonna happen overnight.
 

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The Warriors won the title because David Kahn passed on Curry twice in the 2009 NBA Draft.
It's amazing that despite the fetish Kahn had for PG's he managed to pass on Curry twice. On the flip side there were MANY questions about Curry making it in the league coming out of Davidson with his frail body and lack of athleticism for his position. Had Curry not improved his ball handling to the extent he has the best case career trajectory he would have had was ironically of a Steve Kerr as a designated shooter/role player.
 

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It's amazing that despite the fetish Kahn had for PG's he managed to pass on Curry twice. On the flip side there were MANY questions about Curry making it in the league coming out of Davidson with his frail body and lack of athleticism for his position. Had Curry not improved his ball handling to the extent he has the best case career trajectory he would have had was ironically of a Steve Kerr as a designated shooter/role player.
 
Very true. Curry was pretty much underestimated for a decade and only recruited out of high school by mid majors. But after his performance in the 2008 NCAA tourney, I'm surprised people are shocked by his ability. He seems to come up huge in big moments and now he's a shooting dynamo.
 
Also, Curry was only a 3 year player in college.
 

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It's amazing that despite the fetish Kahn had for PG's he managed to pass on Curry twice. On the flip side there were MANY questions about Curry making it in the league coming out of Davidson with his frail body and lack of athleticism for his position. Had Curry not improved his ball handling to the extent he has the best case career trajectory he would have had was ironically of a Steve Kerr as a designated shooter/role player.
 
Generally I agree that there were a lot of questions about Curry, though I think everyone is selling Curry a little short on his athleticism. He's no Lebron/Westbrook of course, but the guy is pretty damn quick and really fast up and down the court.  When he is sprinting hard, he is blowing by guys out there. He's also been touted as one of the strongest guys on the team.
 
Now he wasn't like that out of Davidson of course, but I think some of the raw tools looked worse than they actually were because he seemed so young and almost pre-pubescent out there. 
 
The elite ballhandling has definitely taken him to another level, but even without it, I think his best case career trajectory would be significantly more than a Kerr level shooter/roleplayer.  
 

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I wouldn't call it a travesty, but as Lebron said in his press conferences, the entire team was guarding him.  Whenever he drove there was help, and there were lots of switches. Green, Thompson, Barnes and even Curry spent time on him too.
 
If you have to pick one guy who did it the most, I agree it was Iguodala.  But it wasn't like he was a Lebron stopper or anything.
 
Offensively, Iggy was an outlet guy Cleveland wanted to shoot the ball.  And he still only averaged 16 points per game, while shooting so horrifically from the line he had to be taken out down the stretch. Curry was the best non-Lebron player in the series IMO, and I don't think it was that close.  Their entire offense was based on Steph drawing 2 guys and making the correct pass, which he did time and time again.  And he still managed 26 points a game. 
 
Having said that, the Warriors seemed genuinely happy for Iguodala, so it certainly seemed like a good outcome for all involved.  Just not what I would have picked. Maybe I'd give him the "most surprising player" or "player most involved in changing the momentum of the series" award. But definitely not MVP.
 
Those are all good arguments, and I don't think anyone can debate the answer to the question "which player was most valuable to his team in this series?" The answer is LeBron. He was the best player on either team. On the flip side, maybe it's sentiment, but I have a soft spot for the hardworking veteran who rose to a new level and who was the key person for the winning team.  Really hard for me to begrudge Iggy just as, even though I ended up this series with a hard-on for LeBron (fuck he was enormous) and vaguely rooting for the Cavs (meh), it's hard to begrudge congrats to the Dubs. I do wonder if they could have survived a tougher road with fewer injury-riddled opponents and really wish we'd seen them facing tougher tests (how awesome would it have been with Love and Irving healthy?). But bottom line is they were the best team in the NBA wire-to-wire, which is pretty f-ing amazing.
 

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I wouldn't call it a travesty, but as Lebron said in his press conferences, the entire team was guarding him.  Whenever he drove there was help, and there were lots of switches. Green, Thompson, Barnes and even Curry spent time on him too.
 
If you have to pick one guy who did it the most, I agree it was Iguodala.  But it wasn't like he was a Lebron stopper or anything.
 
It was kind of like that, actually. At least, Iguodala was much more effective on LeBron than the other options:
 
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When Iguodala was in, LeBron shot 38% and the Cavs were -55. When he sat, LeBron shot 44% and the Cavs were +30
Ethan Strauss (@SherwoodStrauss)
 

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It was kind of like that, actually. At least, Iguodala was much more effective on LeBron than the other options:
 
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When Iguodala was in, LeBron shot 38% and the Cavs were -55. When he sat, LeBron shot 44% and the Cavs were +30
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Well 38% vs 44% is a difference. But not that big of a difference, Lebron was inefficient vs everyone. It was a team defensive concept.

As for the +\-, that is always multifactorial. Part of it is that Iggy was often in when the horrific Bogut was out. That alone will probably cause some of the separation in the numbers.

Look, Iggy played an important role, don't get me wrong. But no way I think he was the most valuable Warrior that series.
 

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Well, I probably would have voted Curry, for averaging 26 pts / 5.2 reb / 6.2 ast on high efficiency (cough*LeBron*cough) while facing constant double teams. And even when he isn't scoring, his gravitational pull on offense cannot be overstated. Iguodala, Barnes, Green and co. get the looks they do because of the terrifying presence of Curry. Meanwhile, on defense he completely erased Dellavedova and Shumpert (whoever he was guarding) over the last 3-4 games. And there was this fun factoid...
 
LeBron was 0-of-8 when isolated on Curry, including a missed transition layup. What in the Barea?
Ethan Strauss (@SherwoodStrauss)
 
Still, I have no problem with Iguodala getting it, after guarding the Greatest Player on the Planet for 40 minutes a game, and still somehow having the energy to score consistently, hit threes, attack the rim, and push the pace and direct the floor on offense as the Warriors sometime point guard. His decision-making throughout the series was off-the-charts great: in over 120 minutes played in the decisive last three games, he committed one turnover total (six total turnovers in six games).
 
Call 'em co-MVPs and lock the thread.  :q:
 
 

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Generally I agree that there were a lot of questions about Curry, though I think everyone is selling Curry a little short on his athleticism. He's no Lebron/Westbrook of course, but the guy is pretty damn quick and really fast up and down the court.  When he is sprinting hard, he is blowing by guys out there. He's also been touted as one of the strongest guys on the team.
 
Now he wasn't like that out of Davidson of course, but I think some of the raw tools looked worse than they actually were because he seemed so young and almost pre-pubescent out there. 
 
The elite ballhandling has definitely taken him to another level, but even without it, I think his best case career trajectory would be significantly more than a Kerr level shooter/roleplayer.  
I heard the other day that Curry can deadlift 400 pounds, and a quick search:
 
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/25207008/stephen-curry-can-deadlift-400-pounds
 
I never followed weight lifting so I don't know how that compares with other basketball players or other athletes. 
 

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Well, I probably would have voted Curry, for averaging 26 pts / 5.2 reb / 6.2 ast on high efficiency (cough*LeBron*cough) while facing constant double teams. And even when he isn't scoring, his gravitational pull on offense cannot be overstated. Iguodala, Barnes, Green and co. get the looks they do because of the terrifying presence of Curry. Meanwhile, on defense he completely erased Dellavedova and Shumpert (whoever he was guarding) over the last 3-4 games. And there was this fun factoid...
 
LeBron was 0-of-8 when isolated on Curry, including a missed transition layup. What in the Barea?
Ethan Strauss (@SherwoodStrauss)
 
Still, I have no problem with Iguodala getting it, after guarding the Greatest Player on the Planet for 40 minutes a game, and still somehow having the energy to score consistently, hit threes, attack the rim, and push the pace and direct the floor on offense as the Warriors sometime point guard. His decision-making throughout the series was off-the-charts great: in over 120 minutes played in the decisive last three games, he committed one turnover total (six total turnovers in six games).
 
Call 'em co-MVPs and lock the thread.  :q:
 
 
Bugs me that the voting was Iggy 7 votes, Lebron 4. No votes for Curry is a travesty. Too small of a sample size. Have more voters next time. 
 
Like my Warriors fan son said, glad they didn't vote Lebron. How awkward would it be to bring up a member of the losing team in the midst of the Warriors celebration. 
 
I'm a long time Celtics fan. This is the first non-Celtics team, maybe ever, that I really, really pulled for. What's not to like? Well, some people on the thread didn't care for Draymond. I guess he's the kind of player you love if he's on your team, but can't stand if he's not. 
 

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I would have given Curry the MVP hands down. Lebron is the better player -- not close in my mind -- but Curry was critical to the winning effort. I could see the Warriors winning without Iguodala, for example.
 

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Well, I probably would have voted Curry, for averaging 26 pts / 5.2 reb / 6.2 ast on high efficiency (cough*LeBron*cough) while facing constant double teams.
It's dumb that Curry received 0 votes. You can make a strong case for LBJ or Curry and the voting should have been 4-3 either way. Lol at Iguodala winning that award especially when he was instrumental in trying to gift Cleveland Game 5 with NINE consecutive missed FT's.

I'm not sure what the (cough*LeBron*cough) comment mean regarding efficiency. Had LBJ been missing shots when better options were available than that is poor efficiency. LBJ's efficiency alone is what kept the Cavaliers in these games and winning two games in the series. The definition of this word has been grossly misunderstood in the context of its true meaning of an NBA game in this specific regard.
 

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It's dumb that Curry received 0 votes. You can make a strong case for LBJ or Curry and the voting should have been 4-3 either way. Lol at Iguodala winning that award especially when he was instrumental in trying to gift Cleveland Game 5 with NINE consecutive missed FT's.
 
Well there were 11 votes, so I guess you were advocating a 6-5 finish.
 
To me, the major fork in the decision tree is if you believe a guy from the losing team can win finals MVP.  Because there is no doubt to me that Lebron was the best player in that series.  I have no problem with saying the MVP has to be from the winning team in a playoff series, so I have no problem with Lebron not getting it.
 
As a voter, once you have decided to give it to a Warriors player, as I said above, I thought Curry was the easy choice.  Even more interesting, is that he got zero votes.  Makes you wonder if the "warrior contingent" spoke about their votes beforehand and decided not to split the vote.  It's pretty strange that no one in that group of 7 anti-Lebron voters thought Curry was the MVP, when I think the stats and many analysts after the game thought he was the obvious choice.  Maybe they didn't want a 4-4-3 finish.
 
I think the vote should have been 7-4 for Curry, maybe that almost happened….