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Terry Coming Up Rozes

Discussion in 'Mark Blount's Port Cellar: Celtics Forum' started by lovegtm, Jan 4, 2018.

  1. the moops

    the moops Member SoSH Member

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    I was way in the camp of "Smart is going to get paid" this offseason, but I have done a complete 180. There is just too little money, and too many free agents. Wonder if he accepts the qualifying offer and tries to get his money in 2019?
     
  2. nighthob

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    Or they can sign equivalent UFAs for market rates rather than overpaying a guy that won’t be of any use to them for 3-5 years as they rebuild.
     
  3. Papelbon's Poutine

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    Picking nits, but they will release a new varietal. Vintage is the year the grapes are (primarily at least) picked; they're always new when released.

    That said, it's awesome. I still love Drew.
     
  4. bosox79

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    Is there any chance Smart gets an overpay for 1 year?
     
  5. nighthob

    nighthob Member SoSH Member

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    Only if he signs it with Boston. RFA offers have to be a minimum of three years with two guaranteed.
     
  6. wade boggs chicken dinner

    wade boggs chicken dinner Member SoSH Member

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    Nit picking picking nits but "a varietal" with respect to wines means a wine from (or chiefly from) a single grape so a Rosé - as in Terry Rosé - can't be a varietal. It can be made up of different varietals but it can't really be a wine.

    Really, the easiest thing to say is that Bledsoe is making a new wine called Terry Rosé.
     
  7. Jimbodandy

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    Another "only on SoSH" tangent. Love it.
     
  8. Papelbon's Poutine

    Papelbon's Poutine Homeland Security SoSH Member

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    Nm. I’ll avoid the tangent.
     
  9. wade boggs chicken dinner

    wade boggs chicken dinner Member SoSH Member

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    Getting back on topic, another article on TRoz's improvement, including adjustments he made to his shot: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...er-envisioned-his-breakout-season-last-summer.

    There's also some practice video where he's practicing working PnRs.

    We give props to JB for working his butt off during the summer, so here's this quote from the article:

    Spend enough time around the NBA, and these stories begin to blend into one another. Every player says they spent their summer spilling sweat. Every player says all they need to thrive is the opportunity.

    "But I'm telling you, I've been doing this with NBA players for six years, and I've never seen a guy entering his third season approach that summer like it was his predraft time," Friedman [his trainer] said.
     
  10. Jimbodandy

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    Apologies if that sounded like a gripe. The wine tangent was wonderful.
     
  11. Smokey Joe

    Smokey Joe Member SoSH Member

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    fixed
     
  12. boca

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  13. bakahump

    bakahump Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Puma has BB shoes?

    I am waiting for the inevitable Teva or LL beans shoe deal.
     
  14. lovegtm

    lovegtm Member SoSH Member

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    Seriously impressed with what Terry has done with his national profile and brand. Good for him.
     
  15. RedOctober3829

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    Puma revamped their basketball line and has a number of the top rookies with them.
     
  16. Jimbodandy

    Jimbodandy Member SoSH Member

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    Looking forward to Pony making a comeback too. Cedric Maxwell's were fat.
     
  17. Sox Puppet

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    This article on The Athletic breaks down the deal (subscription required).


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  18. HomeRunBaker

    HomeRunBaker bet squelcher SoSH Member

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    Wow! I've been a big Rozier guy since before we drafted him but what kind of colossal moron signs a shoe deal with one brand and wears another in the games? It wasn't like Nike was paying him too as he's (reportedly) never had a deal with them.
     
  19. Reverend

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    Apparently the kind of guy who does what he wants--and I think we all agree he's been feeding off of the Scary Terry energy--and, through doing so, established himself his own brand?

    Risky, I agree. But it's tough to argue with the results, ain't it?
     
  20. Jed Zeppelin

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    “Hey Ky, what size are you?”

    “...”

    “Oh no reason, just curious.”
     
  21. HomeRunBaker

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    Huh? How isn't it tough to argue when he got fired from his job of wearing sneakers to the tune of $300k.

    I know he's our guy and all but imagine the reaction had JaVale or JR blew a shoe deal in this manner?
     
  22. Reverend

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    I'm not sure. I just feel like, more and more, it seems like Danny and Brad have put together what appears to be the Island of Misfit Toys and it keeps turning out to be G.I. Joe, so Ima just follow the ride and see where it goes.
     
  23. HomeRunBaker

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    Rozier is def the "type" of player both Ainge and Brad love.......I just don't know how breaching his shoe deal has anything to do with the players skillset.
     
  24. Reverend

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    The guy just made one of the most iconic pop culture symbols of our time his. I have no fucking idea what kind of guy he is or what makes him tick. But I'm going to let him drive. ;)
     
  25. InstaFace

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    I have an emotional interest in Our Guys(tm) leading happy and healthy lives and kicking ass to their full potential on the court, as they beat opponents, and thereby prove once and for all the superiority of Boston Sports, Boston itself, and of course by extension, me.

    I have zero emotional interest in whether they honor the terms of this sneaker deal or that endorsement. Make or cost themselves a small fortune or a large one. At absolute best it's a curiosity. So, imagine the reaction? The reaction has been, and should be, "meh?"
     
  26. Reverend

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    Exactly this. Like, my reaction for a couple years to anyone asking me about Brady and politics is that I'm not sure Brady even knows we have a government. And that's not exactly untrue but it's not what I'm looking for out of him.

    I'm down with Scary Terry on the Celtics and he can do him. Heck, the Bledsoe stuff was fucking amazing, and I have to think he fed off of that--and maybe his teammates too, yeah?
     
  27. bradmahn

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    Terry was drafted three years ago. It looks as if Adidas terminated his contract right at its end... after they paid him about $300k to wear Adidas for 2 years and use the notoriety of a completely different brand to get a new shoe deal in the third. He still has a job of wearing sneakers and getting paid. That's the result that is hard to argue.

    It doesn't sound like Scary Terry is sad to have been let go early from Adidas.

    Does Julian Edelman still have a deal with Puma? Those are two fun New England connects for an athletic company.
     
  28. edoug

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    Beware of Puma
     
  29. HomeRunBaker

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    Rozier signed his Adidas deal Jan 28, 2016 and was terminated during the EC Finals of 2017 for wearing Nike during shootaround while announcing it to the media. He ended up wearing Adidas during the game however. Such a bizarre story. Mo money Mo problems.
     
  30. bakahump

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    I guess I am amazed that adidas was pony up 100k per year to the Celtics 3rd pg, a guy who was probably only supposed to get about 10 mins per game. Does a shoe company really say “they will see THIS guy and then want to buy our shoes”. Keep in mind I am speaking of before the scary terry relaunch. The irony being once he became a possible sneaker “icon” he had already dissed them.
     
  31. lovegtm

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    It's definitely bizarre, but 3rd guards on rookie contracts generally do not get signed as flagships for a shoe's relaunch. Wearing the Nikes was definitely a stupid decision financially that didn't help him get the Puma deal. However, it's also symptomatic of a personality that was able to give few enough fucks to establish a cult brand and get the Puma deal he did.
     
  32. bosox79

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    They probably offer any 1st round pick a deal after being drafted. That was 2 months into his rookie season where he didn't really even play. You only have to hit one.
     
  33. reggiecleveland

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    Why does Coke pay to have their logo on machines everywhere? The idea is that your brand is never out of the public eye. Nike gives stuff to DIV 2 and Div 3 teams. Also if the guy becomes a star the shoe company wins the lottery.
     
  34. bakahump

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    I get the idea of advertising. But Coke can put up alot of signs for 300k. Plus they own those machines that generate their own revenue.

    Dont they have to do this to be able to sponsor Duke, Oregon, OSU etc etc.

    Well they do for a year or 2. This was a 3 year deal. Assuming it took 1 year or so to become a star. So they have a guy on the cheap for a year or 2. Plus whats to stop Terry from Taking 300k for 3 years, becoming a star and immediately reneging on the deal (as he did) and negotiating a deal with the highest bidder (which he did).
     
  35. In my lifetime

    In my lifetime Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Because if he is a big enough star and renegs he will get sued.
     
  36. bosox79

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    No he didn't. He waited over a year to get a new deal.
     
  37. HomeRunBaker

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    Rozier was a year from being a lottery pick and had already began impressing so Adidas was betting on his upside much like Nike did with Harry Giles before he was even drafted. They were correct however somewhere along the way the relationship took a wrong turn.
     
  38. pjheff

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    Is it irresponsible to wonder whether the relationship between Adidas and Louisville helped Rozier get the shoe deal?
     
  39. HomeRunBaker

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    It's very reasonable as that is why Adidas lined Pitino's pockets to get in with the star player however with that connection wouldn't they have locked up a lottery pick prior to 7 months after he was drafted?

    The entire arrangement must have been one heckuva story. Why did Adidas wait? What made Rozier do what he did to cost himself $150k or so without a deal in place?
     
  40. Reverend

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    You mean what do you do if you're an organized crime don and someone picks your pocket in public?

    Yeah, maybe you want to have him whacked on the sport, but it just isn't worth it, right?
     
  41. Lose Remerswaal

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    Shoot, I worked for Spot*Bilt when they had Sam Vincent and Greg Kite under contract. Every shoe company wants as many players as possible under contract as possible.

    (Also Xavier McDaniel)
     
  42. pjheff

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    I was wondering if he got wind of the investigation at Louisville, but I'm not sure if the timelines match up as Rozier was terminated in May of 2017 but the scandal was not made public until September.
     
  43. Ale Xander

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    Sometimes Rozes have thorns

     
  44. TripleOT

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    Was that a Game 7 contest?
     
  45. lovegtm

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    Is there any other player with whom Ainge has this type of relationship? Danny seems invested in Terry's success, and connected with him personally, to a degree that he isn't with other players, even ones he likes. I have been fully on the "Terry is getting traded or lost in FA" train, but I feel like Danny will get as creative as possible to try to keep him.
     
  46. amarshal2

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    Isaiah Thomas?
     
  47. Eddie Jurak

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    Celtics talking extension with Rozier.

    I don't really understand the logic, from either side.
     
  48. nighthob

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    From Rozier’s perspective you lock in guaranteed money when your fourth season could very easily turn out like Marcus’ fourth year. From Boston’s perspective it makes it a lot easier to bid on Anthony Davis next summer when Brown and Rozier match up the salary.
     
  49. HomeRunBaker

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    For Rozier, he gets paid market value by us rather than on the open market unless he takes a discount which I don't foresee happening.

    For Ainge it benefits him multiple ways, a) he secures Rozier as his PG of the future should Anthony Davis become available prior to this years deadline. Due to The Rose Rule the only way the Celtics can acquire Davis prior to next offseason (after Kyrie signs his extension) would be to include Kyrie. b) he secures Rozier as a trade chip opposed to losing him for nothing to FA.
     
  50. Eddie Jurak

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    Is this true, I thought that once Kyrie signs an extension he's not a Rose rule player anymore.
     

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