Syracuse Basketball 2014-15: The Collapsing Zone

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that was a brick fest between two mediocre and deeply flawed teams. The fact that I was subjected to Vitale for two hours made it nearly unbearable.

Still, feels good to win in Cameron. I'd rather have won that travesty at Cameron in 2014, but this is still nice.
 

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First game I've seen all season...ugly. I was surprised at 'Cuse's ability to hold on for the win. It seemed like when the Dookies cut it to one possession, no way we'd hang on. But somehow, we did. That was fun.
 

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Don't look now. The Orange are becoming relevant. Now 5-5 in the ACC with another Top 25 win against Notre Dame.
Win today against Georgia Tech in the Dome makes it 5 of the last 6. Team is clearly responding well to Boeheim's return.
 

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Tremendous turnaround this season. Syracuse is now in a position where it will likely make the Tournament by going 3-2 and winning a first round ACC game.

Not a done deal, but still to even be in that position is solid.
 

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They've made the best of a soft middle part of the conference schedule.
Their defense has improved, such that they now allow the lowest opponent 3-point percentage in the ACC.
If their good shooting continues, that will make it tough on teams trying to come from behind.

Next, a tough road test against no-longer-#13-Louisville.
Though he wouldn't say it publicly, Boeheim must sense an opportunity to whack Pitino's crew.
 

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A week ago I didn't think Syracuse would be in the NCAA Tournament, let alone a potential favorite in their Sweet 16 matchup.

What a turn of events.
 

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Freely admit that I gave up on this team in early March. Pretty amazing turnaround. Gonzaga scares me (I'd much rather be playing Utah), but in the Sweet 16, you're going to face somebody tough.
 

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Not sure how the Zags received a #11 seed, they win their tournament, have a good record and two NBA players on their team...then again I have no idea how Cuse was invited to the tournament. Just an awful finish to the regular season, pedestrian record and some terrible losses.

Like that Boeheim has woke up to the idea of letting Cooney ride some pine. Team went on their 2nd half run with Trevor on the bench.

Feels like we are playing with the house's money, also like that Lydon and Malachi are getting some tournament experience. This team will be good next season.
 

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Not sure how the Zags received a #11 seed, they win their tournament, have a good record and two NBA players on their team...then again I have no idea how Cuse was invited to the tournament. Just an awful finish to the regular season, pedestrian record and some terrible losses.

Like that Boeheim has woke up to the idea of letting Cooney ride some pine. Team went on their 2nd half run with Trevor on the bench.

Feels like we are playing with the house's money, also like that Lydon and Malachi are getting some tournament experience. This team will be good next season.
this is pretty much where I am. Still a deeply flawed team and they've caught some breaks along the way, but I'm still enjoying the hell out of the ride.

It seems like Boeheim has finally realized that Cooney isn't senior year G-Mac and not a guy who can carry a team (not to mention a guy who isn't a particularly good shooter). When Cooney shows restraint, only takes 3's that are in his happy zone, and focused on playing good positional defense, the team greatly benefits, and giving minutes to Howard (a guy who can actually penetrate and create for teammates) helps the offense flow.

This year's zone is probably the worst of the past decade. Richardson is out of position playing the wing and Lydon doesn't have the strength and experience to effectively play the middle, Coleman has a 3 inch vertical and can't really protect the rim or block shots, and Roberson can be a space cadet and miss a lot of assignments. Still, the zone is tough for teams that don't see it frequently and especially tough with only one day to prepare. When they play it with energy and mental focus, it can still be tough, even if this year's team doesn't have the pieces to play it to its full potential.

I hope for the best, but I'm pessimistic about what Sabonis will do to Syracuse down low. I think we're going to have to have one of those nights we hit a ton of 3's to pull it out.

Next year in Chukwu we'll have a 7'2" rim protector (with a year in the program already) and in Battle we'll have a dynamic creator/scorer. With Howard looking ready to make the sophomore leap and Lydon getting a year to bulk up, I am reaaalllllyyyy looking forward to next year.
 

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I've enjoyed this team more than I expected.
Seeing Lydon attack the basket from the elbow off the dribble against MTSU was pretty cool.

And again...Lefty (edit: and benhogan) nail it.
 
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Big congrats to the JoePa coach of NCAAB. I didn't think they had a chance against Virginia. Their first three wins were not impressive at all, but the way they came back in the second half against UVA was really impressive.
 

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Yeah, I did NOT see this run coming. Huge game from the frosh today.

Helluva comeback. Virginia was 68-0 when leading by 10+ points under Tony Bennett at halftime ...until tonight.

Still shocked.
 

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Can you guys believe this? This is nuts. There are at least 10 other 'Cuse teams I'd have put money on making it to the Final Four over this one - yet, March Madness. They are not the most talented, not the most basketball smart, not the deepest - but they do. not. quit. And good God, if Gbinije starts scoring and Cooney happens to get hot at the same time, they could win the Championship. My Lord.
 

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My mind is still reeling. The tournament is a funny thing, but being a 30+ year Syracuse fan I guess I'm just used to being on the other end of it (I don't think I'll ever recover from the 2010 team losing Onuaku in the BE Tournament and then losing to Butler in the Sweet 16. I will always believe they cruise to the title that year if Onuaku doesn't go down, but I digress...)

The funny thing is that I still don't think this team is particularly good. They are relentless, though, and I give them credit for hanging tough through adversity. The biggest differences between the regular season and the tournament are 1) Cooney has stopped shooting so much/Howard getting more run 2) Roberson is FINALLY playing with a consistent motor and 3) Lydon has taken a step forward on defense and is now serviceable in the middle of the zone (there were stretches this season where Syracuse was a sieve down low against any half competent big).

I'm just gonna enjoy this one, as runs like this are few and far between. I'm not expecting much going forward, but I wasn't expecting much the last two games either.
 

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Agreed, Lucky. They won that game with pretty subpar performances from both Cooney and MG (0 3's between them).

That run was epic.
 

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Big congrats to the JoePa coach of NCAAB. I didn't think they had a chance against Virginia. Their first three wins were not impressive at all, but the way they came back in the second half against UVA was really impressive.
appreciate the congrats and all, but we're just trying to celebrate our unexpected good fortunate here. Why do you need to come in and try to troll the thread with the Paterno reference?
 

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My mind is still reeling. The tournament is a funny thing, but being a 30+ year Syracuse fan I guess I'm just used to being on the other end of it (I don't think I'll ever recover from the 2010 team losing Onuaku in the BE Tournament and then losing to Butler in the Sweet 16. I will always believe they cruise to the title that year if Onuaku doesn't go down, but I digress...)

The funny thing is that I still don't think this team is particularly good. They are relentless, though, and I give them credit for hanging tough through adversity. The biggest differences between the regular season and the tournament are 1) Cooney has stopped shooting so much/Howard getting more run 2) Roberson is FINALLY playing with a consistent motor and 3) Lydon has taken a step forward on defense and is now serviceable in the middle of the zone (there were stretches this season where Syracuse was a sieve down low against any half competent big).

I'm just gonna enjoy this one, as runs like this are few and far between. I'm not expecting much going forward, but I wasn't expecting much the last two games either.
Yeah, I agree. They really are not one of the consistently better Syracuse teams of recent memory. Must they CAN be very good, and like I said upthread, they simply don't quit. A 15 point deficit does not appear to rattle them in the least. It's almost like they don't know any better. They don't know they're supposed to suck. I guess in fact, it is that they do not BELIEVE that they are supposed to suck, and Boeheim is playing that card brilliantly. He's got these guys with a huge chip on their shoulder, and it fell directly from his own. It's so enjoyable.
 

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This has come out of nowhere. It is a reverse Boeheim of a year -- they didn't beat the crap out of cupcakes at the start of the year to inflate their record to unrealistic expectations. Rather, they are playing like a team that is built for and focused on the tournament.

Cooney shooting less helps a lot.
 

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I've thought over the years that Boeheim gets good payoffs from his use of the full court press. He uses it sparingly, when the chips are down, while there's still time.
Interesting that he's had to go with it twice in the last two games. My guess is if he has to use it again, it'll bite them.
 

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I've thought over the years that Boeheim gets good payoffs from his use of the full court press. He uses it sparingly, when the chips are down, while there's still time.
Interesting that he's had to go with it twice in the last two games. My guess is if he has to use it again, it'll bite them.
the press works in spurts because it is a change of pace, and because Syracuse almost always has top notch, rangy athletes.

The zone is designed to force the opposition to slow down and have to work the ball around to get good shots. Syracuse's players know the typical passes the offense makes, and when they play the zone at a high level they are active, anticipate well, and can generate turnovers by picking off passes and introduce doubt and hesitancy into the opposition, making them passive and, ultimately, settling for long jumpshots. Patient, methodical teams are willing to work the zone, making Syracuse move and scramble and take advantage of breakdowns to get easy shots. The opposition can get into a rhythm of attacking the zone and put the Syracuse defense on its heels. The selective use of the press speeds up the other team. Sometimes Syracuse generates turnovers, and sometimes they give up layups. But what the press does is knock the methodical, well executing offense out of its attacking rhythm. That's exactly what happened to UVA, and you saw when Syracuse called off the press and retreated to the typical zone, UVA wasn't attacking it as well as they had been earlier in the half.
 

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Big congrats to the JoePa coach of NCAAB. I didn't think they had a chance against Virginia. Their first three wins were not impressive at all, but the way they came back in the second half against UVA was really impressive.
Weak sauce. Expectations are a little higher here at SoSH. Go play on a random web site if you are going to spew that stuff.
the press works in spurts because it is a change of pace, and because Syracuse almost always has top notch, rangy athletes.

The zone is designed to force the opposition to slow down and have to work the ball around to get good shots. Syracuse's players know the typical passes the offense makes, and when they play the zone at a high level they are active, anticipate well, and can generate turnovers by picking off passes and introduce doubt and hesitancy into the opposition, making them passive and, ultimately, settling for long jumpshots. Patient, methodical teams are willing to work the zone, making Syracuse move and scramble and take advantage of breakdowns to get easy shots. The opposition can get into a rhythm of attacking the zone and put the Syracuse defense on its heels. The selective use of the press speeds up the other team. Sometimes Syracuse generates turnovers, and sometimes they give up layups. But what the press does is knock the methodical, well executing offense out of its attacking rhythm. That's exactly what happened to UVA, and you saw when Syracuse called off the press and retreated to the typical zone, UVA wasn't attacking it as well as they had been earlier in the half.
yep..well done Lefty
 

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the press works in spurts because it is a change of pace, and because Syracuse almost always has top notch, rangy athletes.

The zone is designed to force the opposition to slow down and have to work the ball around to get good shots. Syracuse's players know the typical passes the offense makes, and when they play the zone at a high level they are active, anticipate well, and can generate turnovers by picking off passes and introduce doubt and hesitancy into the opposition, making them passive and, ultimately, settling for long jumpshots. Patient, methodical teams are willing to work the zone, making Syracuse move and scramble and take advantage of breakdowns to get easy shots. The opposition can get into a rhythm of attacking the zone and put the Syracuse defense on its heels. The selective use of the press speeds up the other team. Sometimes Syracuse generates turnovers, and sometimes they give up layups. But what the press does is knock the methodical, well executing offense out of its attacking rhythm. That's exactly what happened to UVA, and you saw when Syracuse called off the press and retreated to the typical zone, UVA wasn't attacking it as well as they had been earlier in the half.
I didn't think Virginia handled the press poorly, but it sure took them away from the game they prefer to play. As you point out, it sped up the game, and that's not how Virginia likes it. Moreover, it seemed to give Syracuse energy. I thought Lydon did an amazing job at the back end of that press, denying UVA a couple of what should have been pretty easy baskets.
 

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As a uva fan we knew the press was coming. We already know the cuse zone well and have been very successful the last 3 years. Thought we did a good job breaking both but just didn't execute the finishes well after we broke the press. Congrats to yall and hope you beat unc.
 

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Now that I've had some time to live with it a bit...damn, what an impressive run by this team. College Basketball is rare in that you can feel like a winner without winning it all as long as you make the final four. Hell of a way for Cooney and Gbinije to go out. Cooney changed a bit of his legacy with that tournament, too.
 

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Now that I've had some time to live with it a bit...damn, what an impressive run by this team. College Basketball is rare in that you can feel like a winner without winning it all as long as you make the final four. Hell of a way for Cooney and Gbinije to go out. Cooney changed a bit of his legacy with that tournament, too.
I've always said that reaching the Final Four is the goal. You hang banners for getting there. Anything on top of that is gravy. So it truly was a great run by SU, one for the books. I've not met an SU fan yet that's upset with how it ended.