Dismiss Notice
Guest, I have a big favor to ask you. We've been working very hard to establish ourselves on social media. If you like/follow our pages it would be a HUGE help to us. SoSH on Facebook and Inside the Pylon Thanks! Nip

Swihart traded to Dbacks

Discussion in 'Red Sox Forum' started by nattysez, Apr 16, 2019.

  1. nattysez

    nattysez Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    3,486


    I'm baffled by this. Why give him such a short leash? What are they going to do at catcher now? What about his performance merited completely cutting bait on him? Seems like, if nothing else, he could at least be a helpful multi-position backup.

    The Sox (across multiple administrations) have jerked him around his whole career -- I'm curious to see if he can go to another org, get regular playing time, and turn into something.
     
    #1 nattysez, Apr 16, 2019
    Last edited: Apr 16, 2019
  2. Sandy Leon Trotsky

    Sandy Leon Trotsky Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    2,164
    Yeah that’ll fix the team! Bring Sandy up and the starters will pitch better and the weak offense will get hot
     
  3. Max Power

    Max Power thai good. you like shirt? SoSH Member

    Messages:
    3,469
    Are they seriously going to pin the shitty pitching on him?

    It's even more strange a move when they had to use their other catcher at second base. You'd think you'd want more positional flexibility in that case rather than less.
     
  4. Rough Carrigan

    Rough Carrigan reasons within Reason Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    18,810
    What changed from when they made the decision to go with him instead of Leon?
     
  5. Murby

    Murby lurker

    Messages:
    493
    Did they think keeping him on the roster in attempt to add value and then trade for something tangible, realized it hasn't worked, so they just dumped him? I'm happy for the kid as I feel they've royally hosed him multiple times through his Red Sox tenure. I don't get the asset management, but maybe it speaks to the law value of the asset?
     
  6. aksoxfan

    aksoxfan Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    5,248
    This just seems so weird.
     
  7. E5 Yaz

    E5 Yaz Transcends message boarding Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    58,951
  8. Smiling Joe Hesketh

    Smiling Joe Hesketh All Hail King Boron Dope

    Messages:
    30,338
    This is baffling to me. If it's early, it's early, and you hang on to him and let things shake out.

    They do realize that there will be a day when Sandy Leon isn't playing professional baseball any more, right?

    This strikes me as a hasty waste of a good player.
     
  9. E5 Yaz

    E5 Yaz Transcends message boarding Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    58,951
    I hope he lands someplace where he'll get a chance to play ... whether that's at catcher or as a multi-positional guy.
     
  10. jon abbey

    jon abbey Shanghai Warrior Dope SoSH Member

    Messages:
    40,983
    It's the same thing as Leon, though, right, he's only gone if someone else claims him and otherwise they can send him to AAA like they did Leon? Admittedly he is more likely to be claimed than Leon, but I think farewells are a bit premature.
     
  11. BoSox Rule

    BoSox Rule Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    1,688
    Kind of a baffling move, but shouldn’t be a surprise considering they’ve fucked up his development in the Majors for years.

    Good luck on your future 4 WAR seasons for Oakland, Blake.
     
  12. Mueller's Twin Grannies

    Mueller's Twin Grannies Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    3,983
    Does this mean they explored a trade for him first and found no takers?

    The lack of teams willing to trade for a catcher that probably wouldn't cost more than a middling prospect or the last arm out of a 'pen is kind of shocking. Is the league that down on Swihart as a player that he's not worth a trade as a catcher?

    I realize that they now have the 10 days to trade him but one has to assume that they aren't going that route if they went straight to the DFA. If a team claims him do the Sox really let him go for free?

    There seems to be a lot of panic in this move and it doesn't bode well. Has Leon been recalled?
     
  13. PC Drunken Friar

    PC Drunken Friar Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    9,281
    The Sox may have jerked him around and mismanaged him, but if they weren't going to get anything out of him, then let him go. He has been nothing but a legitimately awful baseball player
     
  14. Smiling Joe Hesketh

    Smiling Joe Hesketh All Hail King Boron Dope

    Messages:
    30,338
    He's 27 and he can catch and can hit a bit too. He'll be claimed.
     
  15. mikeford

    mikeford woolwich! SoSH Member

    Messages:
    25,198
    Neither Chicago team has a catcher worth a shit. He's gone.

    This is so stupid.
     
  16. RIrooter09

    RIrooter09 Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    4,371
    I expect the Cubs to put in a claim after Caratini's injury.
     
  17. RIrooter09

    RIrooter09 Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    4,371
    Wilson Contreras isn't worth a shit?
     
  18. Smiling Joe Hesketh

    Smiling Joe Hesketh All Hail King Boron Dope

    Messages:
    30,338
    Showing my age here, but the Sox are doing this on a night Sale is pitching against the Yankees. Very reminiscent of the Sox re-acquring Mirabelli from SD in a "panic" trade and rushing to get him to the park in time to catch Wake against...the Yankees.

    Both trades very early in the season as well.
     
  19. nattysez

    nattysez Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    3,486
    Both Chicago teams and the A's, to name 3, all have garbage backup catchers. They'd all be crazy not to sign him.
     
  20. Rasputin

    Rasputin Will outlive SeanBerry Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    29,156
    This doesn't make any fucking sense at all.
     
  21. gedman211

    gedman211 Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    2,395
    Wow. Any word on his replacement?
     
  22. RedOctober3829

    RedOctober3829 Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    37,747
    This is a stupid, reactionary move by the Red Sox. Swihart was progressing with the increased playing time both at and behind the plate.

    Yes for those who are asking, Sandy Leon is being recalled.
     
  23. jon abbey

    jon abbey Shanghai Warrior Dope SoSH Member

    Messages:
    40,983
  24. Harry Hooper

    Harry Hooper Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    24,913
    I am wondering if he refused to play LF yesterday, and Cora said goodbye.


    Edit: Emphasis added. Sandy catches Sale tonight?
     
    #24 Harry Hooper, Apr 16, 2019
    Last edited: Apr 16, 2019
  25. Koufax

    Koufax Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    4,244
    It certainly sounds like a disciplinary move.
     
  26. Smiling Joe Hesketh

    Smiling Joe Hesketh All Hail King Boron Dope

    Messages:
    30,338
    Any evidence or whispers about this at all? Or is this just speculation?
     
  27. amfox1

    amfox1 Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    5,151
    6 wins in 17 games. 2 starting pitchers (of 6) with an ERA under 7.90 and a WHIP under 1.50.
     
  28. nvalvo

    nvalvo Well-Known Member Silver Supporter SoSH Member

    Messages:
    16,048
    I loathe this move.
     
  29. RedOctober3829

    RedOctober3829 Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    37,747
    I can't imagine why he would refuse to play a position just because he got hurt there.
     
  30. southshoresoxfan

    southshoresoxfan Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    5,240
    Should probably ask the pitchers to stop giving up home runs then.
     
  31. Smiling Joe Hesketh

    Smiling Joe Hesketh All Hail King Boron Dope

    Messages:
    30,338
    That's not my question. I was asking if the poster had heard anything specific, or was just speculating.
     
  32. Koji’s Slider

    Koji’s Slider Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    982
    I love the Red Sox, but the Red Sox organization baffles me sometimes.
     
  33. IHateDaveKerpen

    IHateDaveKerpen Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    5,107
    I thought of that, too. So ridiculous. I'm just glad we weren't subjected to a Waldman-esque call during the incident.
     
  34. dhappy42

    dhappy42 Straw Man

    Messages:
    5,643
    Can Magic Sandy stop the pitchers from giving up six runs per game?

    This reeks of excuse-making and bad clubhouse management. And panic.

    But good for Blake. I’ve always liked his never-realized upside and hated the way the Red Sox have repeatedly hosed him. Hope he’s the next Josh Reddick.
     
  35. amfox1

    amfox1 Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    5,151
    Can't/won't DFA them, though.
     
  36. Ale Xander

    Ale Xander Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    21,092
    Same here.

    I just had 2 wishes in ST
    1) health
    2) They don't get rid of Blake for nothing

    Uggggh. Just carry 3 catchers then, and put Blake in corner OF and 1B from time to time and CV at 2B
     
  37. brandonchristensen

    brandonchristensen mad photochops SoSH Member

    Messages:
    22,843
    He will land somewhere and have a productive, Brandon Moss-like career.
     
  38. soxin6

    soxin6 Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    2,391
    But Swihart hasn't been the primary catcher. If we are going to blame the catchers for the fact that the pitchers have underperformed expectations then we got rid of the wrong one.
     
  39. Ale Xander

    Ale Xander Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    21,092
    panic + 6-11 + pitchers sucked
     
  40. Pozo the Clown

    Pozo the Clown lurker

    Messages:
    687
    In 2018, everything the Sox touched turned to gold. This year it's been the polar opposite. Hindsight will prove this move to be a massive mistake.
     
  41. glennhoffmania

    glennhoffmania but still failing Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    8,396,368
    While it probably won't have a significant impact long term this is one of the dumbest personnel move I can remember this team making in a while. It's like everything that could possibly have gone right did so last year and they think they're infallible now because of it. This is very strange.

    I also had flashbacks of the Mirabelli trade, which was also a very questionable move at the time.

    But if Leon catches tonight and Sale looks great it will be difficult to convince supporters that it was still a weird decision.
     
  42. PaulinMyrBch

    PaulinMyrBch Don't touch his dog food Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    8,277
    I can only assume they've tried to move him the last week or so and got crickets for offers. This is odd however. If you felt he could handle the 2nd catching duties and provide some offense a month ago, what exactly changed the opinion on a team where nearly everyone is underperforming? I guess time will fill in the blanks.
     
  43. Lose Remerswaal

    Lose Remerswaal Leaves after the 8th inning Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    33,626
    I wonder if there is another shoe yet to drop.


    And I am shocked that there are questions about the accompanying move. Pedroia ain't catching
     
  44. kelpapa

    kelpapa Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    2,532
    The Sox are 3-3 in games Swihart has caught, including a 1-0 victory. I don't understand this move.
    ETA: they have allowed 38 runs in the 6 games he's caught, and 68 runs in the 11 games that Vazquez has caught. 6.33 runs/game for Swihart and 6.18 runs/game for Vazquez.
     
  45. John Marzano Olympic Hero

    John Marzano Olympic Hero has fancy plans, and pants to match Dope

    Messages:
    19,802
    I am pretty shocked by this move. I know why we couldn't do this Vazquez, but it can be argued that he's had a much more negative impact on the Red Sox as anyone. Hitting below .200, behind the plate for four passed balls and three wild pitches, he's the one that should be farmed out to Pawtucket.

    I'm sorry to see Swihart go. I hope that he catches (HA! Pun) on somewhere and kicks ass.

    Me too, brother.
     
  46. Harry Hooper

    Harry Hooper Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    24,913
    Apparently the team believes Blake was the clubhouse Jonah taking them all down.
     
  47. E5 Yaz

    E5 Yaz Transcends message boarding Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    58,951
    Why?
     
  48. DennyDoyle'sBoil

    DennyDoyle'sBoil Found no thrill on Blueberry Hill SoSH Member

    Messages:
    25,880
    What a weird end to the Swihart saga. I know he's fluctuated between binky and scapegoat and everything in between.

    I suppose there has to be a story here we don't know. My guess is that he got a vote of no confidence from the starters. Whether that's really a Swihart issue or the starters blaming their own failings early in the year on him, we may never know.

    Like many surprising moves, it will be interesting to see whether the press starts to get leaked criticisms of the player on the way out the door. Though, I guess the way that Hanley went down last year, there are reasons to believe this will be handled without disruption and that Cora has a sense of what makes addition by subtraction possible.
     
  49. Marbleheader

    Marbleheader Dope Dope

    Messages:
    10,221
    What a waste of an asset. They should have dealt him a while ago when he had value as a prospect. Poor talent evaluation has been an issue here since Theo left.
     
  50. Dewey'sCannon

    Dewey'sCannon Well-Known Member Silver Supporter

    Messages:
    587
    Just chiming in to agree with others posting above. I hate this move, and am stunned that they made it.
     

Share This Page