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Super Bowl LIII - We’re on to Los Angeles (again)

Discussion in '2018 Patriots Game Threads' started by Mystic Merlin, Jan 26, 2019.

  1. NortheasternPJ

    NortheasternPJ Member SoSH Member

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    I thought the game was fantastic and something different, which isn't a bad thing. My wife who really doesn't watch much football was fully into it and said it was way more interesting than a game where they just exchange TD's all game.

    I'm not surprised that people think it "sucked" but I'm a bit surprised how far they've gone with Worst SB ever. It was extremely tense and right up until the end.
     
  2. Mystic Merlin

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    Yeah, I mean, did those people see Bucs-Raiders or Ravens-Giants?

    Or the officiating travesty that was Steelers-Seahawks?

    Boo boo.
     
  3. DennyDoyle'sBoil

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    Impossible for me to put myself in the non Pats fan or non Rams fan mind, but I thought it was way different from your typical Thursday punt and Flagathon. Very crisp, few flags, and great coaching and defense.

    But even if it was a boring game, at least it was close and think of how many Super Bowls have really sucked. The Patriots in the B and B era have given fans eight of the most thrilling games in Super Bowl history including at least three or four all time classics.

    This one may have had little scoring but it was tied in the middle of the fourth quarter. I think people forget how awful many non-Pats Super Bowls there have been where the only thing worth watching in the second half has been the commercials.
     
  4. patoaflac

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    Real sports fans appreciate what a defense or a pitcher can do. People who watch sports as a social event don’t.
    Belichick is always a step ahead. After SB52, he realized that with an old QB he had to balance the game with a good RB, that’swhy he selected Michel. I believe he would get another good RB for next season and play like in the 70’s (Tom Landry, Calvin Hill, Duane Thomas and Walt Garrison say hello), of course a 2019 version. By the way James White reminds me of Preston Pearson.
     
  5. ifmanis5

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    Ratings were bad....
    Austin Karp‏ @AustinKarp 27m27 minutes ago
    CBS drew a 44.9 overnight rating for Patriots-Rams last night, which was lowest-scoring Super Bowl yet. That figure is lowest for Super Bowl since Steelers-Cards drew 42.1 in 2009. Boston market got 57.4 (best for game since 2015). L.A. market 44.6 (best SB in L.A. since 1996)
     
  6. Saints Rest

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    My favorite part of this clip is the way that JMac just hops up and jogs back to the huddle like it was just any old incompletion in some random game in the middle of October.

    I'm convinced that the refs made an error not in the penalty but in who they attributed it to. In real time, as soon as the tackle downfield is made, you see some Patriot -- I think it might have been John Simon -- hop up making a holding signal. I think the hold was downfield, not on the center (as the replay showed).
     
  7. Morgan's Magic Snowplow

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    Exactly this. It must have been on somebody else blocking on the edge and they called out the wrong number, because the center wasn't doing anything noteworthy and was just caught up in the trash away from the play.
     
  8. Wake49

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    I loved seeing the Donkeys get shellacked. I thought the one the following year was worse.
     
  9. Morgan's Magic Snowplow

    Morgan's Magic Snowplow Well-Known Member Gold Supporter SoSH Member

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    Two thoughts on the Rams:

    You never want to make too much of one game but looking at the entire trajectory of his career I'd be scared shitless about giving a ~25M AAV and 40M+ guaranteed contract to Goff, who has only one more year on his rookie deal and will surely be seeking something in that range.

    They spent a lot of resources bringing in big name players who helped them significantly in this game - Peters, Suh, Fowler, etc. But the roster just seems poorly constructed on the bottom, especially in terms of the offensive personnel. How do they not have a scat back on the roster who could give us trouble in the passing game? How do they not have a fourth WR to offer some different spread looks? I know McVay's calling card is running almost everything out of 11 personnel or 12 personnel. But I thought their lack of roster options really hurt them in this game, as they just didn't have much to draw upon in trying to make something happen on offense.
     
  10. Ale Xander

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    HAHAHAHAHA

    Rams playing and LA couldn't beat the national rating.
     
  11. HurstSoGood

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    The rest of the country is lamenting the missed opportunity of seeing what would have undoubtedly been an awesome SB LIII matchup between the Saints and Chiefs. I guess it sucks to be them.
     
  12. Ale Xander

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    Chargers Niners was also pretty bad. (unless you're a Niners fan)
     
  13. OurF'ingCity

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    It’s considered a “bad” SB because the Pats won. If the score had been reversed I bet we see a lot fewer hot takes about how this was a terrible SB (as someone else pointed out above, neither of the two Giants games were much less “ugly”).
     
  14. bankshot1

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    I think "we' as mostly Pats fans understand how fucking good Brady is at his job, and for him to be so challenged by what he was playing agaInst should have been a reasonably good indication of just how good the Rams D was. They played their asses off. That most people think pinball scores automatically make for a great game is just fucking dumb. The defenses (both) were great last night.
     
  15. luckiestman

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    I enjoyed the game, every play of every drive mattered. Many Super Bowls have been blowouts.

    If you were at a party and not paying close attention, I could see how you might wrongly think it was boring.
     
  16. DennyDoyle'sBoil

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    Eh, what are you going to do. It’s the one game left in sports that in the USA that lots of non fans don’t watch. 20 million watch a prime time NFL game on a good week for the networks. Over 100 million watch the Super Bowl.

    But I also agree with you guys above that it is mostly because the Patriots won that we are hearing this. The refs weren’t a story and there is no salacious controversy so the football world defaults to its usual backup.
     
  17. steveluck7

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    To me, what was most captivating was that, while the D played an unbelievable game, they hadn't done so enough this season for us to trust them so every Patriots drive that ended with a punt was nerve-wracking as I was just waiting for the D to give up a long drive and it just didn't happen.
     
  18. Al Zarilla

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    It was the type of game where you could head for the food in the kitchen or wherever it was for a bit and not miss a lot. Or even talk to someone a little, football fan or not. Who am I kidding, my eyes were riveted to every play.
     
  19. Saints Rest

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    But the discussion today will be about how the Pats were gifted another bad call by the refs (cf. offsides and roughing the passer in the Chiefs game).
     
  20. GeorgeCostanza

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    The immediate post game on the field was an embarrassment that the NFL cannot allow to ever happen again.

    But what a fucking game. Six. Six fucking titles. 12 for the 4 majors since Brady/BB started it off. There are no words.
     
  21. dcmissle

    dcmissle Deflatigator Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Order filled, class dismissed.

    Where is your creation?
     
  22. joe dokes

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    The 1st FG game winner game, Colts-Cowboys, absolutely sucked. A dozen turnovers. Half in the 4th Q. When I was 10, I thought it was exciting.
     
  23. DennyDoyle'sBoil

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    Not sure where to post this, but curious what people think about the decision to kick the field goal instead of go for the first down.

    Basically you have two different options to win the game. Kicker has missed earlier. Converting on fourth down is probably a bit harder percentage wise but the downsides of a missed filed goal are more significant because you add the 8 yards and also put turnover or block into play. Add in the game specific factors -- you're playing a team with the best interior defense in football and on the other hand you have a kicker who looked shaky in the game. Romo's analysis -- he's not going to miss 2 -- is one of those things that game commentators say that really is just a throw away and I don't think plays into the decision.

    Very hard to judge decisions like this in hindsight when they work. Belichick took his time with the decision and was talking to Brady and I assume was also talking to McDaniels before he decided. But that has to have been one of the tougher calls in a huge moment that a coach has had to make. It's right up there with the no time out against Seattle right before the Malcolm Butler pick.

    It's rare that I watch a fooball game and don't have an instant opinion about what I think is the better decision right or wrong. But I was genuinely befuddled at the right call in the moment.
     
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  24. RoyHobbs

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    He was throwing really fluttery balls last night. Also felt like every other pass was a Flacco-style rainbow. He looked precise in the deafening thunder of NO so I've got no clue what happened to the kid but I'll take it...
     
  25. Mystic Merlin

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    Agreed.

    The FGA there is probably over 85 percent, at least, to make it. However, that’s a high pressure kick, so is that percentage gleaned over thousands of kicks of varying levels of pressure reliable? If he missed it, the ball is at about your own 31 for LAR. There’s also a chance, albeit relatively small from that distance, that the Rams block the kick. Of note, the game isn’t over if you make that kick.

    If you get that first, the game is over because you’re kneeling. A FG probably puts you at 99.95 percent to win or something.

    A fourth down attempt there is probably much closer to 50/50, however. The way to overcompensate for those general odds is to conclude that you, given your personnel against theirs, pushes those odds in your favor. I’m skeptical that you could devise a money play that is low risk against that front.

    So, I really don’t know which decision was the right one. I think it ultimately comes down to how confident you are in Ghost. If you’re not, you go for it. If you are, kick it.
     
  26. Just a bit outside

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    I thought is it was the right call. I was nervous as could be but if you don't trust Ghost to make that kick he should not be on the roster.
     
  27. bigq

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    I think they played the probabilities correctly. Successfully kicking the field goal (and making it a two score game) seemed more likely than converting the 4th down - particularly given the outcome of the unsuccessful run on the preceding play. During the game I was pulling for the Pats to kick the FG.
     
  28. DeadlySplitter

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    their two best weapons (Kupp/Gurley) were hurt.

    a reminder that Tom has made more out of chicken shit than anyone else.
     
  29. DeadlySplitter

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    I saw probability stats were very close, like 99.5% to kick and 99.6% to go for it (win probability).
     
  30. Beomoose

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  31. 54thMA

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    I'll get cracking on it as soon as I recover from that game, I'm spent, people can complain all they want about it being boring, but a game that close is mental grind as a fan.

    On the Patriots TD drive, were the Rams mostly in zone defensively, I'll defer to the experts here.

    Kudos to the crowd at that game too, they were loud, I think the Rams were rattled.

    Goff was a tire fire most of that game, on the 3rd and 11 when Gilmore got flagged for holding to keep the drive going, he was walking off the field like the penalty was on the Rams.

    Also, on the play where he got drilled going out of bounds, he almost went to the sidelines to get his hand towel, the same towel that looked like it had blood on it.

    The moment was truly too big for the Rams, something I thought would happen last year too to the Eagles.

    With Flores being a first year DC, I wonder how much input Belichick had with the defense, they played great all playoffs long, specifically the secondary, not to mention the pressure they generated up the middle in the AFCCG and the Super Bowl was tremendous.

    That effort was similar to the defensive game plan Belichick designed for the Giants/Bills Super Bowl, the same game plan that is in the pro football HOF.

    What a tremendous defensive effort.
     
  32. 54thMA

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    Thanks double M for taking this thing home, great job, you're up for the season opener, keep the line moving.
     
  33. Dollar

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    Beautiful symmetry:

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  34. RedOctober3829

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    Just wanted to say that I really, really enjoy following the games in here and engaging with all of you throughout the season. We may fly off the handle at times, but most of it is because we are really passionate about the game of football and the Patriots. It's a community, not just a bunch of people talking about football. We couldn't be living in a better time to be a Patriots fan and I know most of you truly appreciate how lucky we are because you lived through the bad times too. I couldn't imagine this 18-year stretch even in my wildest dreams. It sucks that the season is over because I look forward to each Sunday to enjoy the greatness of BB/Brady and enjoy it with all of you.

    Thank you to the moderators who have put up with all of us through another championship season. You do yeoman's work.

    Thanks to MM who carried us through a magical playoff run.
     
  35. 54thMA

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    Great post, my thoughts as well.

    I enjoy being a member and reading the posts, so much knowledge on here, I learn a lot by reading and thanks to everyone who contributes to make this such a fun forum to belong to.

    Still trying to wrap my head around all of this; "New England Patriots, six time Super Bowl Champions".....

    Unbelievable.
     
  36. Morgan's Magic Snowplow

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    No shit. The point is that they didn't have another running back on the roster who could catch the football. And Kupp was hurt in early November yet nearly three months later they didn't have a fourth WR they were comfortable putting on the field to try to give the secondary a different look. The lack of depth on the back end of the roster killed them yesterday.
     
  37. DeadlySplitter

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    what roster has that deep depth though?

    I think Goff is ill-equipped to lose anyone as well. many are now talking about how McVay calls everything for him and he can't read a defense / get off of the first read.
     
  38. Al Zarilla

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    I was thinking about the length of the Patriots dynasty and one thing I thought of is that it's just as many years from the 49ers thrashing of the Dolphins (Dan Marino's sophomore year) to the Patriots first Super Bowl as it is from the Patriots first Super Bowl to last night. And, Marino is now 57 1/2.
     
  39. DrewDawg

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    I was terrified on that 4th down play that if we didn’t kick and the Rams stuffed us they would score and go for 2 and the win.
     
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  41. CoolPapaLaSchelle

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    Interesting (at least to me) hypothetical - Rams had the ball at our 27 with just over four minutes to go. Had they scored a TD there, might they have gone for two? Would put the onus on their D to stop us once (or, at most, twice) more, rather than on their moribund offense to get back into scoring range. Thoughts?
     
  42. Dahabenzapple2

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    Everyone at my job is talking like this but ALL of them would have been thrilled if the Rams won 13-3

    They can't stand it any longer - SALTY FUCKING TEARS

    mostly Jets & Giants fans - LOL
     
  43. Dollar

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    End of first half... Pats have ball at own 2 yard line with about 15 seconds left. Rams have two timeouts left. I'm kind of surprised the Rams didn't make the Pats run three plays there, hoping for a safety or a fumble or something backed up so close to the end zone.
     
  44. Mugsy's Jock

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    Or Jets/Colts for that matter. I came across a tape of the full game somewhere, and it was such an utter cluster of 2-yard plunges into the line that I couldn't make it past the first quarter without skipping ahead to the end.
     
  45. DennyDoyle'sBoil

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    Was just coming to post that. I was really happy when I saw the Patriots were running off the field into the locker room. I was almost worried McVay was just waiting to call timeout.
     
  46. 8slim

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    I suspect this was well-discussed in real time... but did the Rams make the right call in declining the penalty that happened with 2:30 left? That would have backed the Pats up to the 43 and taken us out of FG range. I guess the calculus was to save the down since LA had called all their TOs already. But absent the Pats getting a first down (which ices the game regardless at that point, if it happened after the 2 minute warning) wouldn't it have been better to push us back there? I've been trying to work through the clock math so I may be wrong.
     
  47. DennyDoyle'sBoil

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    They still had time outs. Even with the Brady aura, their defense was playing great all game and I tell my defense to go get me the ball back.
     
  48. DennyDoyle'sBoil

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    The clock math works like this if the penalty accepted. Patriots run the ball on first down and take the clock down to the two minute warning. Assuming they run on second down they get the clock down to about 1:15 before they have to run the third down play. Assume another 4 or 5 seconds to run the play and then they get it down to about 30 seconds and likely call time out. Assuming they didn't get the 20 yards to get the first down, and assuming they didn't get like 18 or something to get in FG range, they can now punt and leave the Rams with between 20 and 25 seconds to go the length of the field to get a touchdown with no time outs.

    I think the far better play was to try to stop the Patriots and hope for a missed field goal and then try to get a TD in 1:20 or so.
     
  49. loshjott

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    This is a good time to post my favorite SI cover ever:

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  50. 8slim

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    Yeah, that all makes sense to me, you're right.
     

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