Sterling prediction thread. Deadline 2pm Tues 4/29

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DennyDoyle'sBoil said:
I don't really understand what a "lifetime ban" means for a person who owns a team.
Can't be present, can't be involved in decisions.
 
They can withhold TV money to enforce the fine.
 
Steinbrenner was banned for a year.  It's like that, only forever.
 

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DennyDoyle'sBoil said:
I don't really understand what a "lifetime ban" means for a person who owns a team.
 
Sterling bought the Clippers in 1981 for $12.5M.
 
This lifetime ban basically means he can't go to NBA games. He will, however, continue to reap the profits of the day-to-day operation of the team and when the lawsuits reach their conclusion, will probably realize a near-billion dollar profit on his investment (Lakers valued at $1.3B). 
 
Which is enough to buy approximately 7,142,857 subscriptions to NBA League Pass.
 

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Ed Hillel said:
 
You take him to court.
 
There's almost nothing that requires court here, right? I think the NBA Commissioner has what is essentially power of arbitration in deciding all league and franchise matters. The owners could decide to remove Silver, but until that happens, his word is essentially law. A judge is just going to look at the contract and go "yup". 
 

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I suppose he could sue claiming they've diminished the value of the team when he sells.  The Bucks sold for about 1/2 a billion but Mark Cuban says that NBA franchises are worth twice that, so he will be a good witness.
 

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Shit, if I'm in agreement with Lester Munson I might have to take back everything.
Don't worry, the agreement also stipulates that in order to strip the owner of his franchise he must fail to fulfill a contractual obligation. (ie not pay his creditors). Munson said that being a racist is a failure to fulfill a contractual obligation, so he's probably still a moron.
 

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http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/10852199/challenge-donald-sterling
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Q: Sterling is notoriously litigious. Can he go to court to stop Silver from punishing him?
A: Not effectively. When Silver issues his punishment to Sterling, the decision is final. The constitution provides in Paragraph 24(m) that a commissioner's decision shall be "final, binding, and conclusive" and shall be as final as an award of arbitration. It is almost impossible to find a judge in the United States judicial system who would set aside an award of arbitration. Sterling can file a lawsuit, but he would face a humiliating defeat early in the process. There is no antitrust theory or principle that would help him against Silver and the NBA. He could claim an antitrust violation, for example, if he were trying to move his team to a different market. But under the terms of the NBA constitution, he has no chance to succeed in litigation over punishment.
 

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Jnai said:
 
There's almost nothing that requires court here, right? I think the NBA Commissioner has what is essentially power of arbitration in deciding all league and franchise matters. The owners could decide to remove Silver, but until that happens, his word is essentially law. A judge is just going to look at the contract and go "yup". 
 
Yeah, it would probably go something like that. I was just saying they would probably have to take that step if they really needed to force the money out of him.
 

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http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/10852199/challenge-donald-sterling
From ESPN
 
Q: Sterling is notoriously litigious. Can he go to court to stop Silver from punishing him?
A: Not effectively. When Silver issues his punishment to Sterling, the decision is final. The constitution provides in Paragraph 24(m) that a commissioner's decision shall be "final, binding, and conclusive" and shall be as final as an award of arbitration. It is almost impossible to find a judge in the United States judicial system who would set aside an award of arbitration. Sterling can file a lawsuit, but he would face a humiliating defeat early in the process. There is no antitrust theory or principle that would help him against Silver and the NBA. He could claim an antitrust violation, for example, if he were trying to move his team to a different market. But under the terms of the NBA constitution, he has no chance to succeed in litigation over punishment.
Nice.
 

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I would suspect that litigation would be much more likely if a sale is forced -- perhaps over the vote itself but more likely over the sale price and terms.  
 
It's one thing to say you can "force" an owner to sell, but it's not very clear what happens then.  Presumably, the by-laws have dealt with this (like perhaps an appraisal by a designated neutral appraiser).  Or maybe they even have mandatory arbitration provisions.
 
But given all the massive tax implications and valuation uncertainty, this thing only starts if they get the 3/4 vote; it doesn't end.
 

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http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/10852199/challenge-donald-sterling
From ESPN
 
Q: Sterling is notoriously litigious. Can he go to court to stop Silver from punishing him?
A: Not effectively. When Silver issues his punishment to Sterling, the decision is final. The constitution provides in Paragraph 24(m) that a commissioner's decision shall be "final, binding, and conclusive" and shall be as final as an award of arbitration. It is almost impossible to find a judge in the United States judicial system who would set aside an award of arbitration. Sterling can file a lawsuit, but he would face a humiliating defeat early in the process. There is no antitrust theory or principle that would help him against Silver and the NBA. He could claim an antitrust violation, for example, if he were trying to move his team to a different market. But under the terms of the NBA constitution, he has no chance to succeed in litigation over punishment.
Which is why Stern and the owners should have kicked this clown to the curb 20 years ago. Chickens came home to roost here.
 

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HomeRunBaker said:
I'm hoping so too. How exactly do we benefit? The pick they owe us is next season when Paul, Blake, DeAndre, etc and likely Doc are leading them to another 50+ win season.
 
While I was joking about the "most important" part, I do think this has the potential to completely ruin the Clippers, but a few more things need to happen. Either Sterling isn't voted out and the players rebel and ask for free agency, or he is forced out, sues, and gets into a huge litigious battle that is distracting to everyone in the organization, in which case they may file petition for free agency again. I have no idea whether that would be granted, but I could see this turning into a real drawn out mess if Sterling decides to fight this. The players may not want to be a part of that.  
 

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Ed Hillel said:
While I was joking about the "most important" part, I do think this has the potential to completely ruin the Clippers, but a few more things need to happen. Either Sterling isn't voted out and the players rebel and ask for free agency, or he is forced out, sues, and gets into a huge litigious battle that is distracting to everyone in the organization, in which case they may file petition for free agency again. I have no idea whether that would be granted, but I could see this turning into a real drawn out mess if Sterling decides to fight this. The players may not want to be a part of that.
Rumors are that Doc wants out, too.
 

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wibi said:
http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/10852199/challenge-donald-sterling
From ESPN
 
Q: Sterling is notoriously litigious. Can he go to court to stop Silver from punishing him?
A: Not effectively. When Silver issues his punishment to Sterling, the decision is final. The constitution provides in Paragraph 24(m) that a commissioner's decision shall be "final, binding, and conclusive" and shall be as final as an award of arbitration. It is almost impossible to find a judge in the United States judicial system who would set aside an award of arbitration. Sterling can file a lawsuit, but he would face a humiliating defeat early in the process. There is no antitrust theory or principle that would help him against Silver and the NBA. He could claim an antitrust violation, for example, if he were trying to move his team to a different market. But under the terms of the NBA constitution, he has no chance to succeed in litigation over punishment.
But this assumes that a judge agrees that Sterling's racism is tantamount to failing to fulfill a contractual agreement.  Not sure that sticks.
 

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Ed Hillel said:
 
While I was joking about the "most important" part, I do think this has the potential to completely ruin the Clippers, but a few more things need to happen. Either Sterling isn't voted out and the players rebel and ask for free agency, or he is forced out, sues, and gets into a huge litigious battle that is distracting to everyone in the organization, in which case they may file petition for free agency again. I have no idea whether that would be granted, but I could see this turning into a real drawn out mess if Sterling decides to fight this. The players may not want to be a part of that.  
According to the post up thread he can't sue.
 

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fairlee76 said:
But this assumes that a judge agrees that Sterling's racism is tantamount to failing to fulfill a contractual agreement.  Not sure that sticks.
 
I would call causing multiple sponsors to cancel their sponsorship failing to fulfill his agreement with the NBA to not cause harm to the league
 
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