Sounds like this won't be getting Goodell'd, which is good news for all. It's such a stark contrast to watch Goodell compared to all his modern counterparts.
Spygate 2: Red Sox Stealing Signs and Relaying Electronically
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Competent leadership would seem to be an issue in other leagues. Well, one.
I'm sure it was just mere coincidence that 1-9 (well excluding Judge) were on virtually every Sale pitch Sunday including something like 29 fouls with 2 strikes. Nothing to see here, we are just the hard working yankees.
Well sure. Sort of like the Cardinals hacking scandal wasn't just one rogue employee
I disagree on the recommended punishment action, but you could make a logical case that, since the Red Sox are bound to a guaranteed contract for Pedroia in future years, but do not have that obligation to Young or Holt, such a punishment would be fair.
You'd just need to suspend Pedroia for the remainder of the season as well as the postseason, if the Sox make it there. And add in rules like not being in uniform or in the dugout, if those aren't already standard for suspensions.
As for me, I suspect this goes on throughout MLB.
Oh yes, the Yankees are saints that would never cheat. I am sure they would also never sucker punch a player from another team during a brawl.
Just in case anyone was concerned that the rivalry had lost some of its intensity.
So ironically enough now we get to spend the winter hearing "see what happened when they couldn't cheat" when our offense gets shuts down in playoffs. Which was probably already going to happen anyway.
This really is morphing into the most depressing 1st place season I can recall.
This really is morphing into the most depressing 1st place season I can recall.
Well, when you get just three games for multiple sucker punches, and none of them actually have to be served in games against your archrival, while Detroit's players get suspended more for doing less, why WOULDN'T you sucker punch the other guy?
So it is possible I'm missing some obvious incidents, but if communicating GM-to-GM is protocol, it doesn't seem totally like Cashman to go to measures these drastic, especially since they ended up basically dominating us all weekend. I find that part of this weird, will be interesting to see if any more details come out.
It seems like a bad look to me but I know nothing about professional baseball culture so if the commissioner is cool more or less dropping it, hopefully this can just get tossed aside. Like JMOH, my grasp on caring about sports is tenuous these days at best and some protracted obsession with it would likely have been a death blow.
It seems like a bad look to me but I know nothing about professional baseball culture so if the commissioner is cool more or less dropping it, hopefully this can just get tossed aside. Like JMOH, my grasp on caring about sports is tenuous these days at best and some protracted obsession with it would likely have been a death blow.
Lol @ cheating. This sport has a long storied history of cheating. It's part of the fabric of the game. The problem here is the Sox look like desperate idiots... because they are.
The guy who wrote the article is a good reporter, but yeah, floating the idea of vacating wins was kind of a neon "I don't really know what I'm talking about" sign.
If it leads to faster MFY/Red Sox games and the firing of Farrell, chalk it up as a definitive win.
More from the commissioner
And finally
https://twitter.com/jtomase/status/905192363156541440
“@jtomase: Not hard to read between lines of Dave Dombrowski and Rob Manfred: sign stealing is common, would’ve preferred teams handled it privately.”
And finally
https://twitter.com/jtomase/status/905192363156541440
“@jtomase: Not hard to read between lines of Dave Dombrowski and Rob Manfred: sign stealing is common, would’ve preferred teams handled it privately.”
because the Pats accusations were BS, where this one seems like something the Sox did, in fact, stupidly bring on themselves?
every team has a videoscreen justa few steps from the dugout. They are not required to be tunedexclusively to media feedfor replays. Players check called strike calls all the time.
The umps must love this story. They hate repayin any form.
I hope the Sox win the division by one game over the MFYs.
The umps must love this story. They hate repayin any form.
I hope the Sox win the division by one game over the MFYs.
What stink? He was on the DL and even if he wasn't. being "passed information" basically equates to someone speaking to him. There's no stink.
Holy fuck re: this. A second holy fuck that this was found out because the Yankees basically bugged the Sox dugout.
Yeah, just like there's no chance they would slather pine tar all over their neck before taking the mound.
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No follow up question? That is not a denial.
Perhaps unsurprisingly, it does not appear in the sidebar on mlb.com (as of 8:00 p.m. EST)
Let's face it. Boston has a long, inescapable history of cheating at just about every contest.
This goes far beyond the conniving Red Sox, the Cheatriots, or even Red Auerbach. Boston's fate as a town that celebrates cheaters dates all the way back to a fateful evening when a guy, made famous by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow, took his famous Midnight Ride.
This goes far beyond the conniving Red Sox, the Cheatriots, or even Red Auerbach. Boston's fate as a town that celebrates cheaters dates all the way back to a fateful evening when a guy, made famous by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow, took his famous Midnight Ride.
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If MLB had sent a memo to all teams a month ago reminding them about the rules for use of electronics in the dugout, the Sox would be facing stiff penalties for their shenanigans.
The correct parallel is if Mangini made an issue of BB filming signals two years earlier -- Goodell likely would've downplayed the issue, not wanting to encourage gamesmanship or bring the game into disrepute by suggesting something serious had happened. Seems like that's the tack Manfred is taking. Maybe I'm too sanguine, but I'm expecting a slap on the wrist.
Fire Farrell and hire Tek so he can push his glove into Girardi's face and we can win the World Series again.
Count me among those largely unfazed by this story - I don't fall into the camp of people who expect their teams to be total saints and like many others here am more astounded at the apparent stupidity of both (a) the actual scheme and (b) getting caught than anything else. And after having been through Spygate/Deflategate I couldn't care less about the "Boston cheats!" memes/troll jobs anymore.
My only worry is that players (Pedroia and/or others) could be suspended for their roles as that could affect actual wins/losses. Anything else I don't really care about (unless high draft picks are taken away but even that is less important in baseball than other sports).
My only worry is that players (Pedroia and/or others) could be suspended for their roles as that could affect actual wins/losses. Anything else I don't really care about (unless high draft picks are taken away but even that is less important in baseball than other sports).
This is a failure of leadership.
All concerned know better, but the manager is responsible for the team. And the team broke the rules seeking competitive advantage.
There is only one way for ownership to correct this.
All concerned know better, but the manager is responsible for the team. And the team broke the rules seeking competitive advantage.
There is only one way for ownership to correct this.
Number One: You can't tell me this kind of thing isn't absolutely RAMPANT in MLB. Pedroia's so gullible to think this wouldn't get around the clubhouse in no time? And then, when players are bought and sold, around the league? Of course not, and he's not going to knowingly tarnish his brand to get involved with something way off the reservation. He's a goddamned veteran and veterans pull this shit ALL THE TIME.
Number Two: Fucking. Good. I don't like them getting caught, but I LOVE the Moxie of a club that's always looking for an angle. Whatever. Now they know the limits. But I have zero problem with a little stubble on the whole "America's Most Beloved Ballpark" brand. YUCK.
Number Three: My, what little bitches the New York Yankees have become. If Cashman really thought the act were providing a great deal more advantage than the countless schemes his players are surely involved in, he's calling DD to say "knock it off", not crying a river to the NYT. He's pissed that his catcher doesn't have a clue behind the plate and he's jealous his players didn't come up with the ruse first.
Number Four: Ain't cheatin' = ain't tryin'. Haters gonna hate. Haters also gonna kiss my motherfucking ass. I make passionate love to your hate. Welcome to Massachusetts, BITCH. By the way, get over it: it's fucking baseball, not the shit your local skinheads are teaching to their children.
Number Five: The chicken littles in here already boohooing potential lost draft picks THREE HOURS INTO IT make me ill.
Number Two: Fucking. Good. I don't like them getting caught, but I LOVE the Moxie of a club that's always looking for an angle. Whatever. Now they know the limits. But I have zero problem with a little stubble on the whole "America's Most Beloved Ballpark" brand. YUCK.
Number Three: My, what little bitches the New York Yankees have become. If Cashman really thought the act were providing a great deal more advantage than the countless schemes his players are surely involved in, he's calling DD to say "knock it off", not crying a river to the NYT. He's pissed that his catcher doesn't have a clue behind the plate and he's jealous his players didn't come up with the ruse first.
Number Four: Ain't cheatin' = ain't tryin'. Haters gonna hate. Haters also gonna kiss my motherfucking ass. I make passionate love to your hate. Welcome to Massachusetts, BITCH. By the way, get over it: it's fucking baseball, not the shit your local skinheads are teaching to their children.
Number Five: The chicken littles in here already boohooing potential lost draft picks THREE HOURS INTO IT make me ill.
I'm sorry but you don't understand why some of us don't like the team though we certainly root for them. On another site many spoke last year and this year that they didn't want a particular "wife-beater" reliever. Are you actually getting upset at people who has a certain moral level of liking a player/liking a team vs someone such as yourself that only cares about wins and losses with possibly little-to-no moral compass?
I am not bashing your opinion. I'm sue you have a fine moral compass. Just don't try to admonish anyone that also likes to like "the person." You'd be fine with Ty Cobb and a bunch of wife beaters etc "as long as they win?"
Bottomline is - I don't share your point in bold. That might be your personal take on what is likeable but it certainly isn't mine.
Overreact and fire Farrell for something (stealing signs) that just about everyone in organized baseball (from U10 travel teams up through the pros) does and has always done if their club is worth a damn?
This complaint by the Yankees carries about as much weight as CC getting salty about Nunez's bunt. If teams aren't using iPhone watches they are using cameras, baserunners watching the catchers signals or base coaches watching lazy catchers dropping their hands below their thighs.
As has been said before many times in this thread, stealing signs is part of baseball. This isn't ISIS...
I'm also nonplussed by this. This is so stupid it's hilarious.
Color me shocked that a complaint to the Commish's office by the Yankees wasn't about bunting off a fat guy.
Color me shocked that a complaint to the Commish's office by the Yankees wasn't about bunting off a fat guy.
This. I mentioned to my buddy when I believe it was Alex Speier noted the foul ball frequency that either Sale was tipping his pitches (which was mentioned recently being a possibility), the Yankees were stealing signs or they just had their always lucky rabbit foot with them. Too convenient IMO....
The calls in this thread for firing Farrell over this minutia are almost as hilarious as the allegations themselves. Then again, if anyone involved thought this scheme as reported by the NYT (making a big assumption that the scheme is being correctly reported) would actually have any benefit, then baseball folks are even dumber than we thought.
I wanted him gone after last year. Anything short of winning the World Series and he should be gone. He's not part of the solution.
Unrelated, but I wouldn't be surprised to see some gut punch trades this offseason too. I could see JBJ, Xander and Pedroia all on the trading block.
Someone needs to explain to me why they didn't set this scheme up so that they used the Apple Watch's haptic feedback so that the trainer didn't have to look at the watch. Buzz once for fastball, twice for curve, three for slider....
The damning evidence against seems to be completely "guy looking at watch".
The damning evidence against seems to be completely "guy looking at watch".