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SoSH GMs: Submit your Patriots mock draft

Discussion in 'Wait, Who???' started by SeoulSoxFan, Mar 25, 2014.

  1. SeoulSoxFan

    SeoulSoxFan Dope Dope

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    As the draft draws nearer, I think it'll be interesting to aggregate your picks for your NE Patriots. 
     
    Your picks do not have to span all 7 rounds, but please do make it semi-realistic (ex. trade "2014 & 2015 #1s for Watkins!" - unless your last name is Tannenbaum). Just post any changes and I'll try to keep up. 
     
    I do ask that the posts follow the format: Rd#. Position Last name, First name (any comments).
     
    Here's the current chart:
     
    [tablegrid= SoSH Mock Draft ]   RD 1   RD 2   RD 3   RD 4   RD 4   RD 6   RD 6   RD 7 BoSox4416 DT Nix, Louis TE Niklas, Troy LB Skov, Shayne OL Swanson, Travis QB McCarron, A.J. QB Smith, Brett RB Blankenship, Beau OL Stork, Bryan Eck's DT Hageman, Ra'shede TE Niklas, Troy C Martin, Marcus DE Clarke, Will RB Johnson, Storm DB Johnson, Dontae LB Kennard, Devon OL Patchan, Matt ElcaballitoMVP DT Hageman, Ra'shede TE Niklas, Troy C Martin, Marcus DE Clarke, Will RB Hill, Jeremy QB Murray, Aaron SS Vereen, Brock TE Burton, Trey EL Jeffe OG Martin, Zack LB Hubbard, Adrian TE Niklas, Troy NT Ellis, Justin WR Thomas, DeAnthony RB Wilder Jr., James TE Annen, Blake QB Renner, Bryn ivanvamp DE Ealy, Kony TE Niklas, Troy TE Fiedorowicz, C.J. C Swanson, Travis LB  Zumwalt, Jordan LB Bullough, Max OG Bodine, Russell DT Stephen, Shamar mascho OG Su'a-Filo, Xavier TE Niklas, Troy CB Jean-Baptiste, Stanley QB McCarron, A.J DT Reid, Cauran WR  Norwood, Kevin SS Sunseri, Vinnie RB Talliferro, Lorenzo Mugsys Jock OG Su'a-Filo, Xavier DT Easley, Dominique TE Fiedorowicz, C.J. CB Gaines, Phillip OL Thomas, Brandon QB Murray, Aaron C Bodine, Russell RB Archer, Dri Pxer LB Mosley, C.J. QB Mettenberger, Zach DT Jones, DaQuan OL Thomas, Brandon WR Ellington, Bruce RB Taliaferro, Lorenzo TE Rodgers, Richard C Johnson, Wesley RedOctober3829 DT Nix, Louis C Richburg, Weston S Dixon, Ahmad TE Fiedorowicz, C.J. DT Sutton, Will S Sunseri, Vinny   WR Ward, Eric LB Pierre-Louis, Kevin SMU_Sox DT Nix, Louis DT Tuitt, Stephon C Richburg, Weston OL Watt, Chris RB Hill, Jeremy LB George, Jeremiah WR Latimer, Cody FS Huff, Marqueston SpacemanzGerbil DE Hageman, Ra'shede DE Jeffcoat, Jackson TE Niklas, Troy DT Reid, Caraun WR Street, Devin C  Bodine, Russell LB Pierre-Louis, Kevin TE Lyerla, Colt SSF DT Tuitt, Stephon DE Crighton, Scott TE Fiedorowicz, C.J. LB Jones, Christian OL Thomas, Brandon C Ikard, Gabe S Sunseri, Vinny   TE Lyerla, Colt Super Nomario OG Su'a-Filo, Xavier DT Tuitt, Stephon DT Easley, Dominique RB Hill, Jeremy CB  Reynolds, Rashaad C  Bodine, Russell TE Rodgers, Richard LB  Pierre-Louis, Kevin SN: Devil's Advocate S Bucannon, Deone OG Turner, Trai DT Hart, Taylor RB Wilder, James QB Thomas, Logan LB Jones, Howard C  Ikard, Gabe TE Hoskins, Gator TheDeuce222 OL Bitonio, Joel TE Seferin-Jenkins, Austin DT Ferguson, Ego RB Sims, Charles WR Washington, L'Damian SS Loston, Craig LB Kennard, Devon QB Gilbert, Garrett [/tablegrid]
     
    Drafted positions per round (order of positions changed to better reflect line of scrimmage):
     
    [tablegrid= Drafted Positions per Round ] TOTAL RD 1 RD 2 RD 3 RD 4 RD 4 RD 6 RD 6 RD 7 TOTAL DL 138 9 5 4 4 2     1 138 OL 94 4 2 3 4 2 3 3 3 94 TE 75   6 5 1     3 4 75 LB 40 1 1 1 1 1 3 3 2 40 RB 32       3 3 2 1 2 32 QB 26   1   1 2 3   2 26 S 23 1   1     2 3 1 23 WR 22         4 1 2   22 CB 15     1 1 1 1     15 [/tablegrid] 
    * TOTAL: RD1=7 pts, RD2=6, RD3=5, RD4=4, RD6=2, RD7=1 multiplied by # of picks
     
  2. EL Jeffe

    EL Jeffe Member SoSH Member

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    I'll bite. I won't propose any trades, because those are just too hard to predict (I mean, all of this is too hard to predict, but still).
     
    1) OG Martin, Zack (Mankins 2.0)
    2) OLB/DE Hubbard, Adrian (Jermaine Cunningham 2.0?)
    3) TE Niklas, Troy (Injuries and inability to workout drops him a round?)
    4) NT Ellis, Justin (Young NT to groom)
    4b) PR/KR/WR/RB/Black Mamba Thomas, DeAnthony (Belichick loves a specialist)
    6) RB, Wilder Jr, James (Has some Ridley type qualities)
    6b) TE Annen, Blake (Dartboard TE pick)
    7) QB Renner, Bryn (My draft binkie)
     
  3. Eck'sSneakyCheese

    Eck'sSneakyCheese Member SoSH Member

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    Round 1 - DT/DE Hageman, Ra'shede (BEAST) - Others (DE Ealy, Kony - G XSF)
     
    Round 2 - TE Niklas, Troy (Gronk Jr) - Others (OL Bitonio, Joel - CB SJB)
     
    Round 3 - C Martin, Marcus (I've seen comparisons to Alex Mack) - Others (QB McCarron, AJ - TE CJF)
     
    Round 4 - DE Clarke, Will (Disruptive pass rush presence) - Others (CB Gaines, Phillip)
     
    Round 4 - RB Johnson, Storm (3 down back, great depth) - Others (OL Schofield, Michael)
     
    Round 6 - DB Johnson, Dontae (Can play safety or corner. Browner lite) - Others (OL Johnson, Wes)
     
    Round 6 - LB Kennard, Devon (OLB/pass rush specialist, LB depth) - Others (DE Westbrooks, Ethan)
     
    Round 7 - OL Patchan, Matt (Versatile, athletic o lineman) - Others (TE Rodgers, Richard - TE Lyerla, Colt)
     
  4. Bosox4416

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    1. Louis Nix DT Notre Dame (If he fell to us, he would be an ideal pick here)
    2. Troy Niklas TE Notre Dame (I know a couple people have already mocked Niklas here but he would be a great fit and blend well with Gronk)
    3. Shayne Skov LB Stanford (Agressive sideline to sideline LB would mix well with our current LB group)
    4. Travis Swanson OL Arkansas (Might be a 3rd but if available he might be anle to start at Center for us as a rookie)
    6. Brett Smith QB Wyoming (Love this guy, I think he'd be a great project investment)
    6. Beau Blankenship RB Ohio (Depth, good hands out of the backfield)
    7. Bryan Stork OL Florida State (Depth, former tight end, I thought he'd go higher but a lot of people mocking him in the 7th so I'll go with it and hope!)
     
  5. SMU_Sox

    SMU_Sox loves his fluffykins SoSH Member

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    I just did a mock and I am pretty happy with the results.
     
    This could easily qualify for me. 
     
    Round 1 Louis Nix / Ra'Shede Hageman DT
    Round 2 Stephon Tuitt DE
    Round 3 Weston Richburg C 
    Round 4 Chris Watt G
    Round 4 Comp Jeremy Hill RB
    Round 6 Jeremiah George LB (probably ILB)
    Round 7 Cody Latimer WR
    Round 8 Marqueston Huff DB (probably S)
     
  6. SeoulSoxFan

    SeoulSoxFan Dope Dope

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    BoSox, you're missing a 4th round compensatory pick. 
     
  7. ivanvamp

    ivanvamp captain obvious

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    My try (I won't be close to the real thing):
     
    Round 1 - DE Ealy, Missouri - Lots of people think Nix, but I think Wilfork will be back and they need an edge rusher.  Not sure Ealy will be there (probably won't be), but if he is, he's a good pick.
     
    Round 2 - TE Niklas, Notre Dame - Need another young TE, and he fits the bill.
     
    Round 3 - TE Fiedorowicz, Iowa - Surprisingly, he's still there for the Pats in the 3rd, and Belichick can't resist.  Between him and Niklas, one will emerge as a terrific NFL TE.  Maybe both.
     
    Round 4 - C Swanson, Arkansas - Need interior line help.
     
    Round 4 (compensatory) - LB Zumwalt, UCLA - Depth at LB needed.
     
    Round 6 - LB Bullough, Michigan State - More LB help, this time on the inside.  
     
    Round 6 - G Bodine, North Carolina - Still need interior line help.
     
    Round 7 - DT Stephen, UConn
     
  8. mascho

    mascho Kane is Able SoSH Member

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    Fine.  Here we go.
     
    Round 1:  OG Su'a-Filo, Xavier, UCLA - Very flexible in that he has played both guard and tackle.  He won't be there in the second round and he represents great value even at 29.
     
    Round 2:  TE Niklas, Troy, ND - They need another TE.  He makes sense here.
     
    Round 3:  CB Jean-Baptiste, Stanley, Nebraska - Who knows if Revis and Browner are back next year.  He's a bit of a project in that he has only two years at CB under his belt, but he's big, strong and athletic.  Big fan.
     
    Round 4:  QB McCarron, A.J., Alabama - My scouting report on him is here.
     
    Round 4:  DT Reid, Cauran, Princeton - BB loves him some smart dudes.
     
    Round 6: WR Norwood, Kevin,Alabama - BB also loves him some Saban dudes.
     
    Round 6:  SS Sunseri, Vinnie, Alabama - See previous selection.
     
    Round 7:  RB Talliferro, Lorenzo, Coastal Carolina - Can play both FB and RB.  Great in pass protection.  Gives the team on-field flexibility in that they can run him and Vereen out at the same time and shift from two-back to one-back sets on the fly.  I'm already picturing schemes for that package.  
     
    EDIT:  Fixed the format per SSF.
     
  9. ElcaballitoMVP

    ElcaballitoMVP Member SoSH Member

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    Edit: I'm updating my mock after getting to watch more film on some of these guys.
     
     
    Round 1- DE Ealy, Kony 
    Round 2- TE Niklas, Troy 
    Round 3- C  Martin, Marcus 
    Round 4- DT Sutton, Will
    Round 4- RB Hill, Jeremy 
    Round 6- QB Murray, Aaron 
    Round 6- SS Vereen, Brock 
    Round 7- TE Burton, Trey (Or look for more OL depth)
     
    Dream scenario- Trade Mallett for a 2nd rounder, add a DT like Nix. 
     
  10. SMU_Sox

    SMU_Sox loves his fluffykins SoSH Member

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    I want one of: Donald, Hageman, or Nix. Those 3 are premium talents at DT and all have high ceilings. I think they improve the team much more next year (except for maybe Hageman who needs a lot more polishing) than a G in the first round. 
     
    As for DE's: Ealy is probably the best guy who would fall to us. I'm torn between adding a more traditional DE or a DT/DE type. Tuitt might be available in the 2nd but he's a lot like Hageman in that he needs more polishing and might not contribute a ton next year.
     
    I'd argue to go defense first because I feel that the talent for the interior offensive line will still be there in rounds 3 and 4 but not so for DT/DE. 
     
  11. SeoulSoxFan

    SeoulSoxFan Dope Dope

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    Thanks for the formatting guys! Makes copy/paste much easier. 
     
    Updates:
    • Changed the order of positions/rd to better reflect line of scrimmage. It's fun looking at how posters so far are emphasizing the lines earlier in the draft. 
    • Added a "TOTAL" value column in an attempt to give a numerical frequency/value to each position picked
     
  12. Super Nomario

    Super Nomario Member SoSH Member

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    Ealy (and Oregon State's Scott Crichton, another DE in the 1st-2nd range) is 270+ pounds - too small for any every-down DT, but big enough for a passing-down 3-technique in a light front (like they used Jones / Carter last year or Cunningham in 2012).
     
    I'm torn on this. I agree there's a dropoff at DT/DE, but I think there's a dropoff at OL, too. Zach Martin / XSF / Bitonio look like plug-and-play guys, but I'm not sure about the later guys. Ideally you can address both in the first two rounds.
     
  13. mascho

    mascho Kane is Able SoSH Member

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    Seems like that's an indication that you'd prefer a Hageman/Bitonio/CJF first three rounds?  
     
  14. Super Nomario

    Super Nomario Member SoSH Member

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    Hey man, don't fence me in - I'll post mine when I'm good and ready. :) (and then probably change it a dozen times)
     
    I'd be happy with that top three, but I think it's very unlikely Bitonio lasts that late in the second. Mayock has him as a top-five OT (and the top four are all going to be first-rounders), and he's probably a top-three G. I think he goes in the top half of the second. So then the question is, if I go Zach Martin / XSF / Bitonio in the first, do I like the DL options in the second, or do I prefer the OL options in the second if I nab Hageman or Ealy in the first?
     
    Random thoughts:
    - Not a Nix fan. It seems like the upside for him is a great two-down player who's iffy on passing downs, and there are red flags there with injury and consistency. I don't mind some red flags if there's big upside; I don't mind lower upside if a guy's more of a sure thing.
    - I think of Tuitt (6'5", 304) and Hageman (6'6", 310) as playing the same position - the only difference is the scheme their college teams ran. A month ago it seemed like these guys were ranked similarly; now it seems like Hageman's way ahead. Is it just because Tuitt couldn't participate in the Combine? They have similar bodies, similar risks, Tuitt was more productive, at least statistically. Is Hageman considered a much better athlete?
     
  15. SMU_Sox

    SMU_Sox loves his fluffykins SoSH Member

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    Hageman is considered to have a much higher upside because he is a freak athlete.
     
  16. EL Jeffe

    EL Jeffe Member SoSH Member

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    Tuitt also showed up at the combine with a broken foot and recently had surgery for it. Big men with foot problems can be a red flag.
     
  17. Phragle

    Phragle wild card bitches SoSH Member

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    I like this guy. He also had a really good 3-cone.
     
     
    It's because people are way too low on Tuitt. Hageman is ranked lower, has a lower ceiling, and a lower floor IMO.
     
     
    And Tuitt isn't? He ran a 5.06 second 40 with a broken foot. His bench press to arm length ratio was equally impressive as Hageman's. And Tuitt is two and a half years younger.
     
  18. SMU_Sox

    SMU_Sox loves his fluffykins SoSH Member

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    The general consensus is Hageman has more athletic upside. We both scour twitter and Draft evals... YMMV but I think the consensus is right. Tuitt also had the benefit of playing next to Nix, a monster. Hageman has better tape but how much of Tuitts 2013 tape you can throw away due to injury is an important factor to consider. Also Tuitt lined up as a dt in 2012 (not all the time but some of the time) and was effective rushing the passer. Phragle, in my mock I grabbed them both. Wait... I grabbed Nix and Tuitt but I'd be fine grabbing Hageman and Tuitt too. Imagine Jones Tuitt Hageman and Nink as a front 4.

    or Jones Nix/Hagemon Hagemon/Tuitt Nink
     
    How about:
     
    Ealy Jones Hagemon/Tuitt Nink?
     
    Holy shit... there are real possibilities here for the Pats to have a pretty ridiculous front 4.
     
  19. Phragle

    Phragle wild card bitches SoSH Member

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    I think Tuitt had better tape as a 19 YO sophomore than Hageman does as a 23 YO RS senior. They aren't close IMO. I have Tuitt as a top 15 player and Hageman around 40. Age is a very big deal to me.
     
  20. Super Nomario

    Super Nomario Member SoSH Member

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    Even if this is true (and as Phragle points out, Tuitt is no slouch athletically), it doesn't really explain the apparent shift in their rankings - it's not any more true now than it was a few months ago. And the shift seems to be more Tuitt falling than Hageman rising, so I don't think it's a case where Hageman killed it at the combine and is shooting up draft boards.
     
    This makes sense, though it doesn't seem like the medical concerns are long-term here.
     
    I guess I can't rule out that the boards are based on imperfect information and they might have been full of crap (and are now correcting) or are now full of crap.
     
  21. RedOctober3829

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    Round 1- DT Louis Nix--need the next Wilfork
    Round 2- C Weston Richburg--possible Day 1 starter  
    Round 3- S Ahmad Dixon--physical in the box safety
    Round 4- TE CJ Fiedereorowicz-obvious need at TE
    Round 4- DT Will Sutton--inside pass rusher great value in Rd 4.
    Round 6- S Vinny Sunseri--special teams maven
    Round 6- WR Eric Ward--really like this kid.  Could be next Welker/Edelman.
    Round 7- OLB Kevin Pierre-Louis
     
  22. SpacemanzGerbil

    SpacemanzGerbil Member SoSH Member

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    Not sure what rankings the rest of you are using, so I used the fanspeak mock game.
     
    1. DT, Hageman, Ra'Shede
     
    2. DE, Jeffcoat, Jackson
     
    3. TE, Niklas, Troy
     
    4. DT, Reid, Caraun
     
    4. WR, Street, Devin
     
    6. C, Bodine, Russell
     
    6. LB/S, Pierre-Louis, Kevin
     
    7. TE, Lyerla, Colt
     
    I like this mix. Two DTs who can eat space and push the pocket in Hageman and Reid. Two TE prospects who look like they can play. Jackson Jeffcoat looks like an interesting DE rotation guy. Street had a down season but has a lot of physical tools. Bodine has great size and underrated athleticism for an interior lineman. I like Pierre-Louis as a special teamer who could maybe switch to strong safety. 
     
    The only thing I'm down on with this draft is not taking somebody who can play the nose, though I guess that is mitigated by the emergence of Siliga.
     
  23. Super Nomario

    Super Nomario Member SoSH Member

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    OK, I think I'm ready to share - this is based on a Fanspeak draft:
     
    1. G, Su'a-Filo, Xavier, UCLA (or Zack Martin, Notre Dame, or Joel Bitonio, Nevada)
    2. DL, Tuitt, Stephon, Notre Dame (or Dominique Easley, Florida, or Scott Crichton, Oregon State, or Kelcy Quarles, South Carolina)
     
    I feel that these are the two most important positions for the Pats to address - Wendell's return doesn't exactly shore up the OL, and both Connolly and Mankins are on the wrong side of 30. Pass rush, especially from the interior, is an issue. I like the DL options in the 2nd better than the OL options, hence going OL/DL instead of DL/OL.
     
    3. DT, Easley, Dominique, Florida - I think he's a good pick in the 2nd, so 3rd was a no-brainer. I think a "best player available" mentality makes sense with this pick - this draft is deep in this area, so take a second-round talent that slips to the third. RB, TE, S, DL/OL, WR, CB, even QB - almost anything is a good pick here if that value is right.
    4. RB, Hill, Jeremy, LSU - a big bruiser who can step in for Blount. Might prefer someone with more pass-catching ability here.
    4. CB, Reynolds, Rashaad, Oregon State - I think I'd prefer a guy with a little more size, but Reynolds is a solid coverage corner with special teams value who'd make an ideal reserve D-back. I also might look S here, or maybe WR or QB.
     
    6. C, Bodine, Russell, UNC - competition for Wendell and Connolly
    6. TE, Rodgers, Richard, Cal - move TE. I like a lot of the late-round TE options - Rodgers, Joe Don Duncan, Gator Hoskins, maybe even a character guy like Lyerla or A.C. Leonard or Michael Flacco (OK, Flacco doesn't have any character flags other than being related to Joe, but he is related to Joe)
    7. LB, Pierre-Louis, Kevin, BC - undersized LB who can contribute on special teams and maybe eventually move to S
     
    I've gotta be honest - after about round 4 I'm mostly drafting positions; I don't know enough about these guys to distinguish them between peers.
     
  24. Phragle

    Phragle wild card bitches SoSH Member

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    I like it but Tuitt at 62 and Easley at 93 is rainbows and unicorns 
     
  25. Super Nomario

    Super Nomario Member SoSH Member

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    Fer sure. That's why I listed other names.
     
    I just did it again and got Bitonio / Crichton / Ferguson, which is also probably unrealistic but not as bad.
    EDIT: finished that with McCarron / Hill / Bodine / Duncan / Jacques Washington
     
  26. Phragle

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    Oh I have no idea what fanspeak is.
     
    FWIW I did some research last year - along with good agility drills - all but a few O linemen the Patriots drafted under BB had vertical jumps under 28". at 25" Su'a-Filo doesn't make the cut.
     
  27. Bosox4416

    Bosox4416 Member SoSH Member

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    I'll add AJ McCarron as our 4th round comp pick then, why not!?
     
  28. Super Nomario

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    That's interesting. Small sample size, so that might not be a thing, but it very well could be.
     
    That's actually a pretty tough bar - only 15 OL cleared it this year. Among players who figure to be early options for the Pats, Zack Martin (28"), David Yankey (28.5"), Brandon Thomas (29"), Gabe Jackson (29" - wow, at his weight), ... and Joel Bitonio (32"). There are some notable guys who didn't jump, like Marcus Martin.
     
    EDIT: looking at this closer today, I'm a bit skeptical. Plenty of the Patriots' later-round OL (Corey Hilliard, Greg Robinson-Randall, Ryan O'Callaghan, Dan Stevenson, Ted Larsen) have jumped 27" or less. It is fair to note that the three highest-drafted Pats linemen who did jump at the Combine - Nate Solder (32"), Nick Kaczur (31.5"), and Logan Mankins (31.5") all were very good jumpers, as was second-rounder Sebastian Vollmer (who wasn't invited to the Combine but jumped an incredible 36.5" at his Pro Day). So maybe this is something they look at for top picks ... or maybe this is just a coincidence, as we're talking about a sample size of four. Second-rounders Adrian Klemm and Matt Light didn't jump at the Combine or at their Pro Days, as far as I can tell.
     
  29. bakahump

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    I am liking Russell Bodine as a Late rounder.   G/C Exp.
     
    6'3 310  So short enough to be a good interior guy....but still good size.  I guess he does however have short arms.
     
    42 Reps
    Passes the Magical Vert Jump test at 29 inches.
    9'1 Broad so dude has some legs.
     
  30. SoxVindaloo

    SoxVindaloo Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Pulling this out of the Tuitt vs Hageman debate because I have seen none of Hageman and very little of either of the ND guys. Those of you that have seen tape of Tuitt like him in his own right? I am having nightmare flashbacks about Ron Brace playing next to BJ Raji.
     
  31. SMU_Sox

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    I'm actually a fan of Tuitt's as well. Tuitt in 2012 destroyed tackles one on one (Some of his best moves exposed slower footed tackles - not that he couldn't shoot past a G). He was explosive and showed a variety of moves/techniques in pass rushing. In 2013 he was injured and put on some weight and was predictably less explosive. Like Will Sutton, his 2012 trumps his 2013. His 2012 and beating linemen 1 on 1 would be the same in NE as at least one person in our front 4 is going to get 1 on 1 with a blocker.
     
    Edit: Look, I'm not sold on The Hegemon > Get Tuitt. If this were exam scores I'd have The Hegemon as a 95 and Get Tuitt as a 94.5. I still think Ra'Shede has a higher ceiling but it's not significantly higher than Tuitt's. Phragle disagrees and his opinion is completely valid. Frankly Tuitt might indeed have a higher ceiling - this is an inexact science.
     
  32. SeoulSoxFan

    SeoulSoxFan Dope Dope

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    Updated all picks so far. I've also added S Sunseri, Vinny as my 6th round pick.
     
    The "Drafted Positions per Round" chart is also re-charted to read better + sorted by total points. Not surprisingly, DL is far and away the most valued/urgent position in the draft, followed by OL and TE. 
     
  33. SeoulSoxFan

    SeoulSoxFan Dope Dope

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    Updated both charts with my pick for the 2nd fourth round pick, G Thomas, Brandon. 
     
    As was discussed in the OL draft thread, a good prospect that could have gone late 1st-2nd round but just tore his ACL. 
     
  34. Super Nomario

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    OK, I'm going to post a "devil's advocate" draft, featuring players I think are realistic options but haven't been pointed to here.
     
    1. Bucannon, Deone, SS, Washington State - On paper, an overdraft, but I doubt he sticks until the Pats pick next at the end of the second round. Bucannon is a prototypical SS (6'1" 211) with the size to be an in-the-box player and contribute right away in the "money" role and on special teams. Coverage skills need some work, but he showed surprising speed (4.49 40) and change-of-direction (6.96 3-cone) to go with his playmaking (15 career INTs and 7 career FF). Louisville's Calvin Pryor and Northern Illinois' Jimmie Ward are similar options, though more hybrid safeties.
    2. Turner, Trai, G, LSU - not as versatile as some of the other options, but one of the best guards in the class. I'm intrigued by Mississippi State's Gabe Jackson here, too.
    3. Hart, Taylor, DL, Oregon - at 6'6" 284, he's an option in the 3-4DE/4-3DT role Hageman or Tuitt would fill. Cosell compared him to Aaron Smith. UNC's Kareem Martin is another option, though he probably goes earlier; he has very similar measurables to Chandler Jones.
    4. Wilder, James, RB, FSU - massive human at 6'3" 232 who still ran a terrific 6.92 3-cone. Very productive in limited snaps at Florida State. LSU's Jeremy Hill and Ohio State's Carlos Hyde are similar fits, though both will likely go earlier. I could see more of a receiver type like WVU's Charles Sims or Arizona State's Marion Grice.
    4. Thomas, Logan, QB, Virginia Tech - doesn't seem Patriots-y, but in fact the QBs BB has drafted in the past (O'Connell, Mallett, Davey) have tended to be toolsier rather than productive. He can redshirt for a year as 3rd-string.
    6. Jones, Howard, LB, Shepherd - great athletic tools (4.6 40, 40.5" vert), big-time DII pass-rusher who has the body (6'2" 235) to make the DE->ILB transition Fletcher and Bruschi did. Special teams contributor. Might want a more experienced option depending on what they think of Beauharnais / White.
    6. Ikard, Gabe, C, Oklahoma - similar C to past picks, lacks great physical attributes but smart. Good 3-cone time. Penn State's John Urschel is another option here, a smart college G who projects more to C in the NFL.
    7. Hoskins, Gator, TE, Marshall - receiving H-back lacks ideal size but was a big-time red-zone weapon (25 TDs over the past two seasons) for the Thundering Herd. Utah's Jake Murphy is another option.
     
  35. Mugsy's Jock

    Mugsy's Jock Longtime Member Lifetime Member Gold Supporter SoSH Member

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    Sure wish the "Optimum Draft" big board was in play for the other GM's....

    29 DT RA'SHEDE HAGEMAN/MINNESOTA
    62 TE AUSTIN SEREFIN-JENKINS/WASHINGTON
    93 OT JOEL BITONIO/NEVADA
    130 C MARCUS MARTIN/USC
    140 DT DANIEL MCCULLERS/TENNESSEE
    198 CB LOUCHEIZ PURIFOY/FLORIDA
    206 QB AARON MURRAY/GEORGIA
    244 RB DRI ARCHER/KENT STATE

    Here's something more realistic. I was super-conservative through the first 4 rounds in terms of who might be available, but maybe a little optimistic in 6 and 7...

    1st - OT - XAVIER SU'A FILO / UCLA. The more I played it out, the OT/DL perfecta looked better than the DL/OT perfecta in the first two rounds.

    2nd - DT - DOMINIQUE EASLEY / FLORIDA. Totally possible Tuitt is still here, and I'd jump all over that.

    3rd - TE - C.J. FIEDOREWICZ / IOWA. Maybe a little bit of an overdraft, but adding a TE is essential and I think there's a drop below CJF. Conceivable Niklas on the board here.

    4th - DB - PHILLIP GAINES / RICE. Possible Purifoy could be here I guess.

    4th - OG - BRANDON THOMAS / CLEMSON. Fourth rounder seems right for this redshirt.

    6th - QB - AARON MURRAY / GEORGIA. I have a hard time using a pick any higher for a QB. Timing would be right for Murray to supplant Mallet in 2015.

    6th - C - RUSSELL BODINE / UNC. Or Halapio. If they're both gone, Patchan still oughtta be around.

    7th - TE - MARCEL JENSEN / Fresno State. Duncan and Gilmore might still be on the board too. All these guys are houses. Would love to double down on TE in the 7th.
     
  36. Pxer

    Pxer Member SoSH Member

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    1. LB Mosley CJ (I really think they'll trade this pick but Tuitt, Nix, Su'a-Filo and to a lesser extent, Hageman and Bitonio are all in play here for me)
    2. QB Mettenberger Zach (Bucannon, Richburg, Bridgewater? in play here)
    3. DT Jones DaQuan (falling QB/TE in play here)
    4. OL Thomas Brandon
    4. WR Ellington Bruce
    6. RB Taliaferro Lorenzo
    6. TE Rodgers Richard
    7. C Johnson Wesley
     
  37. TheDeuce222

    TheDeuce222 Member SoSH Member

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    1. Joel Bitonio, OG/OT Nevada
    2. Austin Seferian-Jenkins, TE Washington
    3. Ego Ferguson, DT LSU
    4. Charles Sims, RB West Virginia
    4. (comp). L'Damian Washington, WR Missouri
    6. Craig Loston, SS, LSU
    6. Devon Kennard, DE/OLB, USC
    7. Garrett Gilbert, QB, SMU
     
  38. SeoulSoxFan

    SeoulSoxFan Dope Dope

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    Alright -- all charts are now updated, including alternate picks from SN and Mugsy.
     
    If the consensus holds, this is how the draft will go:
     
    1. DT (Hageman, Nix, or Tuitt) 
    2. TE (Niklas or ASJ)
    3. TE / DL / OL
    4. OL / DL / RB
    4. WR / DL / RB
    6. LB / QB / OL
    6. OL / TE / LB / S
    7. TE / OL / RB
     
    And final positional value ranking (positions with most points, implying importance in this year's draft):
     
    1. DL (138 pts)
    2. OL (94 pts)
    3. TE (75 pts)
    4. LB (40 pts)
    5. RB (32 pts)
    6. QB (26 pts)
    7. S (23 pts)
    8. WR (22 pts)
    9. CB (15 pts)
     
    Thanks for putting up your mocks -- let's see if the draft goes the way of the SoSH herd.
     
    Edit: updated with just a single mock for Mugsy.
     

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