Brady's teams have scored the second-most points per game all-time, behind only Aaron Rodgers (and ahead of Manning, #3): http://www.footballperspective.com/average-points-per-game-scored-in-games-started-by-each-quarterback/
So, uh, Brady... IS THE GREATEST QB OF ALL TIME NOT EVEN CLOSE SCREW YOU MONTANA
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Super Nomario said:
Love your posts, SN, but I don't think that chart has much useful information. Unless we're to take that Russell Wilson is that much better than Joe Montana.
Tom Brady is the GOAT, though.
edit: perhaps you shared it as a bit of trivia.
"Chris Simms is not a Top 5 University of Texas Quarterback of All-Time. You heard it here first."kenneycb said:
I think it's interesting vis-a-vis Brady / Manning because the perception is that Manning has played for more high-flying offenses but this shows they haven't actually been more effective (though I don't believe this teases out defensive or special teams scores). I don't think we can compare cross-era because of differences in league scoring; the NFL average was 22.8 last year, 20.3 in 1988, 19.4 in 1971. The list clearly skews modern: all of the top three, and seven of the top 13. I'm hoping they do another version comparing scoring to league average rather than just raw points.dbn said:
I think the reason no one else has commented on the cliff diving is the collective heart attack that Patriots fans suffered on seeing that video.
The Pats don't have a "Lonborg" clause in their contracts?
And where's Giselle in a thong in that video?
And where's Giselle in a thong in that video?
Ed Hillel said:
The best part might be the two guys sitting to the right nervously looking around as if they know they might be sitting in front row seats to Brady being mangled on the side of a cliff.
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=889540911087060
Holy shit?
Brady cliff diving with Gisele.
My heart was in my throat.
Holy shit?
Brady cliff diving with Gisele.
My heart was in my throat.
How about basketball with MJ?
http://www.barstoolsports.com/boston/the-greatest-ever-playing-some-basketball-with-michael-jordan-today-in-the-bahamas/
http://www.barstoolsports.com/boston/the-greatest-ever-playing-some-basketball-with-michael-jordan-today-in-the-bahamas/
amarshal2 said:
It'd be fun if the Patriots put Jordan on the 53 man for a game that they intend to blow out (i.e. Colts). When it's already 52-7, Belichick puts Jordan out wide and Brady lobs him a pass for a touchdown. That might be the greatest moment in sports history. Jordan could then be truly a 3 sport athlete.
Devizier said:
I think I met one of those guys.
No seriously. I rent my place out on Airbnb occasionally, and a little while back, TB's assistant messaged me about Gisele's friends needing a place to stay. So I decided, why the hell not. They were from Costa Rica.
johnmd20 said:
Maybe if you post a Facebook message on Brady's page, he'll oblige you with this request. Although I don't see Tom as the thong-wearing type.
Brady and Montana are both on the Mt. Rushmore of all time greats, and the four rings each have speak for themselves. That said, Montana having no interceptions in 4 Super Bowls is mind boggling. Gun to my head, with one drive to a game winning touchdown to save my life, Montana will be the QB I want leading that drive.
How many did he throw in the playoff games that prevented him from getting to Super Bowls five and six?
Old Fart Tree said:
Hell, Montana threw 3 picks in the Dwight Clark game that got them to the SB.
In fact, Montana had 2 3-int games in the playoffs in his career. SF won them both, and in both years they won the SB.
And I can only imagine the HOT SPORTZ TAKE outrage that would occur if Brady threw for 5 TDs in running up the score in a Super Bowl his team won 55-10, like Montana did. Or had 3 straight years of one-and-done, like Montana did, throwing 0 TDs and 5 INTs in the process.
Look, Montana is undoubtedly the number 1 or 1A or 1B greatest QB of all time, but throwing around garbage stats like "he never threw a pick in a SB" doesn't clarify anything. He wasn't perfect and made plenty of mistakes, like all QBs do.
Old Fart Tree said:
I'll buy an argument that Montana is a better Super Bowl QB, but only if it's acknowledged that Brady is the better playoff QB. Montana had 21 picks in 23 postseason games, and a 2.9% interception rate. Brady has 26 picks in 29 games, and a 2.4% interception rate.
That is totally fair. Another thing in Brady's favor is that he has taken hits that would have knocked Montana out for a season. Brady is by far the better athlete of the two.Euclis20 said:
brienc said:
I don't think that's true at all. Montana was a very good athlete and certainly a lot more nimble than Brady. And athleticism and durability really are two different qualities.
The best argument Brady has over Montana is that he'll likely wind up starting about 50% more regular season games at roughly the same production level.
Yeah, Montana used to scramble a fair bit so I don't think Brady is the better athlete.
We really shouldn't be degrading Montana, because he was legitimately great and he and Brady are pretty much clones of each other in style, success, the way they played, their football intelligence and clutch play. They're pretty much the same player from different eras. Montana didn't have the offensively-favored rules regarding PI in place today, but his teams didn't have to labor under a salary cap either.
We really shouldn't be degrading Montana, because he was legitimately great and he and Brady are pretty much clones of each other in style, success, the way they played, their football intelligence and clutch play. They're pretty much the same player from different eras. Montana didn't have the offensively-favored rules regarding PI in place today, but his teams didn't have to labor under a salary cap either.
ESPN released their TOP 20 ATHLETES from 1995 to 2015...
Brady number FOUR, Manning slots in at SEVEN.
Tiger, LeBron and Jordan are the only people above him.
http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/page...op-20-athletes
Brady number FOUR, Manning slots in at SEVEN.
Tiger, LeBron and Jordan are the only people above him.
http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/page...op-20-athletes
Jordan shouldn't be above him with that as the time-frame.
I would also quibble with LeBron (although that will change in the next year or three), and well, I don't like golf so fuck Tiger but I realize I'm probably alone there.
I would also quibble with LeBron (although that will change in the next year or three), and well, I don't like golf so fuck Tiger but I realize I'm probably alone there.
Phelps and Messi have to be #1 and #2 in some order. I don't even watch much futbol, but that dude is amazing. When you absolutely dominate the worlds by-far most popular sport, it's hard to make an argument against.
That just seems like a list of ESPN's most popular (and bankable) athletes.
Messi and Federer should be #1 and #2. They're the GOATs in two of the world's most popular sports and their careers were entirely within the 1995-2015 window. Phelps was amazing but its swimming so who really cares.
Brett Favre anywhere on that list is just....
Messi and Federer should be #1 and #2. They're the GOATs in two of the world's most popular sports and their careers were entirely within the 1995-2015 window. Phelps was amazing but its swimming so who really cares.
Brett Favre anywhere on that list is just....
I like the NBA but having the #1 #2 and 5 guys in the top 14 seems a little hoop-heavy.
And if this was last year CI, the highest ranked MLBer, would probably rank higher.
And if this was last year CI, the highest ranked MLBer, would probably rank higher.
A-Rod (if Lance and Bonds are there), Moss, and Mariano Rivera getting discussed on Mike & Mike this morning as notable omissions.
Brett Favre? WTF?
Brett Favre? WTF?
This list would have been far more interesting if ESPN had simply restricted themselves to the four major North American sports. The fact that they include international sports makes this just embarrassing.
There are countless athletes in sports of real significance that are nowhere near the list, but we get Jeter! What about Sachin Tendulkar?
There are countless athletes in sports of real significance that are nowhere near the list, but we get Jeter! What about Sachin Tendulkar?
Well, it's preditable, because ESPN isn't interested in being objectively correct when they post water-cooler shit like this, or even creating a spirited discussion really, they are simply interested in casting as wide a net as possible.
"Hey boss, here's our list."
"Wait...where are the international stars.?
"Huh?"
"Well...I think we'll get more hits if we throw Messi and some other guys in there. Just not too high up. Oh, and make sure Jordan and LeBron are higher on the list because everybody in the world knows them. Oh, and take Jagr off and put Crosby on there."
"Hey boss, here's our list."
"Wait...where are the international stars.?
"Huh?"
"Well...I think we'll get more hits if we throw Messi and some other guys in there. Just not too high up. Oh, and make sure Jordan and LeBron are higher on the list because everybody in the world knows them. Oh, and take Jagr off and put Crosby on there."
off the top of my head, and without clicking on ESPN's list, i would go with a list that includes
lionel messi
cristiano ronaldo
michael phelps
usain bolt
michael schumaker
tiger woods
lebron james
kobe bryant
shaquille o'neal
tom terrific
peyton manning
serena williams
roger federer
rafael nadal
plus some boxing/fighting/hockey guys that I don't care about.
plus (known cheaters division) lance, clemens, bonds
lionel messi
cristiano ronaldo
michael phelps
usain bolt
michael schumaker
tiger woods
lebron james
kobe bryant
shaquille o'neal
tom terrific
peyton manning
serena williams
roger federer
rafael nadal
plus some boxing/fighting/hockey guys that I don't care about.
plus (known cheaters division) lance, clemens, bonds
Hey look! An ESPN list about the "best athletes" who in all actuality brought the "best ratings" to their sports. Another popularity contest, yayyyyy ESPN.
Although, I will say that I am surprised and glad to see Sidney Crosby on there.
Although, I will say that I am surprised and glad to see Sidney Crosby on there.
Devizier said:
Klitschko, Mayweather, RJJ, Hopkins and Pacquiao, plus Anderson Silva and maybe Fedor.
Tons of problems with the ESPN list.
Kobe Bryant #8. Just within the NBA, KG, Dirk & Duncan had better careers and all debuted after 1995. Big market & anti-big man bias.
Lebron @ #3? Maybe in 10 years. Right now his career is an unfinished body of work.
MJ #1. ESPN only caught the very end of his career.
Two tennis players are in the top-6.
Jeter is #10. There are probably a half dozen baseball players of the same era better than him, including Pedro, Pujols, Beltre, Schilling and A-Rod.
Bonds was already halfway through his career when ESPN debuted.
Kobe Bryant #8. Just within the NBA, KG, Dirk & Duncan had better careers and all debuted after 1995. Big market & anti-big man bias.
Lebron @ #3? Maybe in 10 years. Right now his career is an unfinished body of work.
MJ #1. ESPN only caught the very end of his career.
Two tennis players are in the top-6.
Jeter is #10. There are probably a half dozen baseball players of the same era better than him, including Pedro, Pujols, Beltre, Schilling and A-Rod.
Bonds was already halfway through his career when ESPN debuted.
Pacquiao gets in over Floyd. He had more belts in more classes in more signature fights. Jones also deserves credit for winning the heavyweight belt. The moment was right, but that was an historical win.TomRicardo said:
If you give any credit to MMA, Silva needs to be there.
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