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Sixers thread: now with expectations

Discussion in 'Mark Blount's Port Cellar: Celtics Forum' started by LondonSox, May 30, 2018.

  1. HomeRunBaker

    HomeRunBaker bet squelcher SoSH Member

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    Lol. Fair enough. :)
     
  2. wade boggs chicken dinner

    wade boggs chicken dinner Member SoSH Member

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    Jonathan Tjarks with interesting article on Butler here: https://www.theringer.com/nba/2019/1/7/18171626/jimmy-butler-sixers-wolves-chemistry. Snippet:

    The problem for Philadelphia head coach Brett Brown is that it isn’t as simple as dialing up more plays for Butler. Using one of Simmons or Embiid as a screener for Butler would take the ball out of their hands, and there isn’t anywhere to put the other on the floor. No one has much space to operate when Simmons (who hasn’t shot a 3 all season) or Embiid (who is shooting 29.7 percent from 3 on 3.8 attempts per game this season) is playing off the ball, since defenses will gladly leave them open on the perimeter. The 76ers have tried to put Simmons in the dunker spot on the baseline to make the spacing work, but that still requires pinpoint passing from all involved to pull off successfully.


    None of those issues particularly matter to Butler. There is a simple solution if Simmons and Embiid can’t both be on the floor when he is running pick-and-rolls: Take one of them out. Three high-usage players can be a crowd. The 76ers have been more effective when Butler is playing with one of his costars than with both.
     
  3. benhogan

    benhogan Baynes Hogan SoSH Member

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    48mins/game, Brown can easily spread the minutes/shots out between Butler, Simmons, Embiid.

    PLUS for all the hand wringing going on about those guys being on the court together at the same time, Phila starting line up has been very efficient (+15.3 net rating). In fact, it's been more efficient than the Celtics recent starting lineup of MaMo/Smart/KI/Al/Tatum (+10.5 net rating) that we have been doing cartwheels about.

    As long as Brown sticks two +shooters (JJ, Chandler, Shamet, future acquisition) with Embiid/Simmons/Butler, their +defense together more than makes up for some perceived spacing issues. Also note, Butler has vastly improved his 3pt shooting over the years, with Embiid/Simmons drawing double teams down low I could see Butler easily hitting 40% of his open 3pt shots.

    I could also see that group improving as they get more comfortable together. They concern me as much as anybody else in the EC.

    https://stats.nba.com/lineups/advanced/?Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular Season&TeamID=1610612755

    https://stats.nba.com/lineups/advanced/?Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular Season&TeamID=1610612755
     
    #353 benhogan, Jan 8, 2019
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  4. LondonSox

    LondonSox Robert the Deuce SoSH Member

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    I note that the Tjarks article (which is bad) is posted and the detrich article (which is good) isn't.

    Despite both being published on the same site at nearly the same time.

    Embiid is better at nearly everything with Simmons on court. Brown splits their minutes well.

    The issue is the rest of the roster. Putting the stars with non shooting guards who aren't even good defensively destroys the team.

    The starters are once again as good as any starters in the league, the bench is RELIANT on TJ, Korkmaz and Shamet. An ok back up guard, a guy they (stupidly) turned down a cheap option on and a late first rounder. That is why the team is losing leads and being a bit of a mess at times.

    But instead we get
    TrAdE bEn sIMmOns
    BuTler caNt pLaY wiTH EmBIID and SiMMOnS

    I am not ignoring that there was and is some friction but Jimmy has been pretty open when he's pissed and the sixers have to make him work given the cost.
     
  5. InstaFace

    InstaFace MDLzera

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    would you care to maybe post the article you like, and make a case for its ideas, rather than just bitching at us for not having posted it?

    I thought Ben Hogan gave a thoughtful and nuanced consideration of Tjarks' proposal, which deserved a lot better than a mocking l33t-speak reduction of his perspective. If he's wrong, he's surely earned more of a discussion about it than one line of playground-esque taunting in response.
     
  6. benhogan

    benhogan Baynes Hogan SoSH Member

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    Thanks.

    It did feel that the Tjarks article was a bit convoluted with some sort of anti-Jimmy/anti-Sixer slant.
    Tjarks article concluded with this:
    All three have different priorities, and there’s no way to satisfy all of them at once. Something may have to give in Philadelphia.

    What has to give? All 3 players are and will be All-Stars. Embiid is getting paid and will be a supermax eventually. Simmons will be a max player and he will improve on his shot, over the years, with or without Butler. Butler will max this offseason. The Sixers will continue to win and contend for EC titles with this group. I think their starting lineup matches up well with the Pacers, Bucks, Celtics and Raptors

    Sixers just need to move on from the Markelle saga and add 2 veteran bench pieces (preferably shooters). They have some young guys like Bolden, Korkmaz, Milton, Zhaire Smith and draft picks that could be trade bait to a tanker for that veteran talent.

    I'm sure the 76ers are perusing the Knicks, Hawks, Suns, Wizards, Bulls, Cavs rosters. Teams like the Magic, Pistons, Mavs, Grizz could also start moving their expiring contract veteran role players if they fall further out.

    Detrick article below. I found it more on point... probably because it agrees with my opinion of the Sixers/Simmons.

    https://www.theringer.com/nba/2019/1/7/18171797/philadelphia-76ers-ben-simmons-jumper
     
    #356 benhogan, Jan 8, 2019
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  7. terrynever

    terrynever Member SoSH Member

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    It’s only Washington but the Big Three are meshing tonight. Butler 7-for-8 from the field. Simmons having an insane game, filling up the stat sheet. Embiid dominating down low.
    Just like last year, the Sixers front office needs to add two complementary reserve players to shore up the second unit. I believe Ben Hogan has covered that territory up above.
    It’s going to be a crazy conference race to the finish. Seems like everyone is better this year except maybe Boston, for now. Early January.
     

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