Not surprising. SF is close to where he went to school, it's a familiar scheme, I'm sure he got paid well, and lots of business opportunities for himself there. Spend the cap space on getting a front 7 that can get after the passer.
Sherman’s March From the SEA - Richard Sherman Speculation Thread
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If Sherman is super lucky he makes the playoffs once during that deal and it won't be until either 2019 or 2020.
I think the 49ers improved, but not sure they can get a Wild Card this season and I still think they are a good bit behind the Rams. The Rams are better at almost every position and have improved even more this offseason.
I do agree that Sherman gets the chance to stay on the West Coast, close to Stanford, and stick it to Seattle two times a year. 49ers are on the right path and have a good QB, but Sherman may experience a few more seasons that end in Week 17.
I think the 49ers improved, but not sure they can get a Wild Card this season and I still think they are a good bit behind the Rams. The Rams are better at almost every position and have improved even more this offseason.
I do agree that Sherman gets the chance to stay on the West Coast, close to Stanford, and stick it to Seattle two times a year. 49ers are on the right path and have a good QB, but Sherman may experience a few more seasons that end in Week 17.
2018 sports analysis in a nutshell here.
Man who admits he didn't watch football last year will now question Hall of Famer who's been to the last two Super Bowls on his team building...before the league year even begins.
Good times.
I’m not sure I’d be so quick to write off the SF playoff chances. Arizona is going to be bad, Seattle seems to be going the full rebuild route, and the best team on paper is quarterbacked by a guy with as many historically awful seasons under his belt as good ones. I agree the rush to coronate Jimmy G’s 9ers the next big thing is premature, but their immediate hopes in their division are strong enough that I’m not going to knock Sherman for chasing money rather than rings.
In as much as all threads are Patriots threads to some degree, I’m more disappointed about Talib and Bennett, but it does sting a little to watch the mere presence of Jimmy G (and, admittedly, a shitload of cap room) make SF a marquee destination.
In as much as all threads are Patriots threads to some degree, I’m more disappointed about Talib and Bennett, but it does sting a little to watch the mere presence of Jimmy G (and, admittedly, a shitload of cap room) make SF a marquee destination.
I have the opposite reaction: I am glad they kept Brady and I am happy for Jimmy and hope they become the next dynasty in a few years. People would, of course, look back and claim the Pats could have kept their dominance going, but San Fran has a much better setup now for long-term success than the Pats would have with Jimmy. This team is better off maxing it out the next couple years and then a complete overhaul. San Fran has a shitload of cap space and can start now. Plus, keeping Jimmy would have fucked the Pats short term.
The 49ers are definitely much better, but with the Rams additions this offseason, I find it very hard to believe a full season of Jimmy G will make up the difference. I agree the 49ers are probably the second best team in the NFC West now.
My issue is that the NFC Wild Card Race will be tough as I am not sure which team the 49ers would beat out.
I am also disappointed about Talib and Bennett. I have faith that BB will figure something out. If the defense even gets a little better, I like the Pats chances.
My issue is that the NFC Wild Card Race will be tough as I am not sure which team the 49ers would beat out.
I am also disappointed about Talib and Bennett. I have faith that BB will figure something out. If the defense even gets a little better, I like the Pats chances.
I agree with all of this except for the next dynasty part. It is too close to the current Pats dynasty and I wouldn't be able to consume any sports media without hearing how bad the Pats messed up (that would be awful).
Nothing against San Francisco, but it would just provide the ammo necessary for the would-be Pats haters to try and discount the Pats' accomplishments.
jimmy g will plob be the next big star look he went 5-0 with a 1-10 team SF shouild win 10 next year and go to the playoff u cant blame mr kraft for not waiting to trade tom but he shouild had looked at that C/Indy trade from 1988 or 1989 where bird goes to indy for c person and d schempf not tradeing bird mchaie and parish set the c back 10 years
yes brady shouild had been dealt to the rams for A Donald or 2 1sts
this wouild had allow to also deal gromk to hou for a 1st and a 3rd
deal wouild been
brady
19 1st a donald gronk to hou also a 19 1st and 3rd
yes brady shouild had been dealt to the rams for A Donald or 2 1sts
this wouild had allow to also deal gromk to hou for a 1st and a 3rd
deal wouild been
brady
19 1st a donald gronk to hou also a 19 1st and 3rd
BTW I have a friend who is raging to me about what “bullshit” it is that Sherman gets to sign a the 49ers while free agents can’t begin talking to potential suitors for two more days. I keep trying to tell him that’s because Sherman wasn’t under contract anymore and those guys are but he’s ranting nonetheless.
No and that has been my point as well. I have literally heard no one complaining about this rule which seems to make a fair amount of sense. And yet...
I mentioned it in part because I was wondering if anyone had heard about any complaining about whether folks felt free agents were disadvantaged by that rule. As I said, I thought it made complete sense.
I disagree, because I think that while that might maximize the expected # of championships going forward in the short-term, there comes a point where that type of team-building is counterproductive to actually having a fan-base - we (as fans) like to at least pretend we're not just rooting for a team logo, and trading the most popular team members (particularly when they haven't clearly yet hit the downslope of their career) makes it less likely that I'll really care as a fan.
You can argue this for sure, but I think the Miami Marlins are a good example of this - that strategy was absolutely the right one to win a couple championships, but it's led to zero long-term fanbase, and why would you bother caring about the players on a team if even the best players are going to get dumped year after year? At a certain point I'd rather root for players that I've known and followed, even if they aren't as successful.
But, in fairness, the Patriots have been playing on All-Madden mode in terms of drafting for the last 16 years or so, given that they haven't had their "own" draft pick slot been better than 20th since 2003 (which was the 19th pick, which they ultimately turned into Vince Wilfork). They had some other top 20 picks, but those were either shrewd trades (thanks San Fran!), or trading quality players (Bledsoe and Seymour). Pretty much every other team has had lulls where they were able to rebuild their team at the top of the draft (Denver, getting Von Miller, etc, Indy getting Luck, Philly getting Wertz) The Steelers might be about the only one that hasn't, and they still had some 8-8's mixed in somewhat recently).
.And most of disappointments you listed, yes they're disappointments, but I'd only really consider Richards of your list a questionable move (you can obviously add in the likes of Tavon Wilson, Dowling, Brace, to bolster it a bit, but those were years ago at this point, and it hasn't really affected the team yet). I think we all knew Easley was a gamble based on his injury history. Don't think anyone expected Cyrus the Virus to get the dropsies, (and who knows if he can still rebound, albeit with his injury, who knows). Collins played well at times, and they were still able to recoup a high 3rd, knowing that they weren't going to re-sign him. I still am surprised that Dobson didn't pan out, some of his catches at Marshall were so bonkers (and he'll always have that game against the Steelers in 2012). And I wouldn't really call a 1000 yard season at WR for a low 1st rounder a disappointment.
And can we stop with the #2 for Ealy nonsense? It was like trading down 8 slots to get him. A mistake, but certainly not the worst move evah.
Contract details:
Richard Sherman’s deal includes a $5M signing bonus, plus $2M base salary, $2M in 46-man roster bonuses, $1M playtime incentive and $3M Pro Bowl incentive in 2018. So #49ers get protection, and Sherman gets upside to beat his #Seahawks deal if he plays well. Win-win.
Per spotrac, if he makes the pro bowl this year, he's getting $16M of salary guarantees in 18/19.
Richard Sherman’s deal includes a $5M signing bonus, plus $2M base salary, $2M in 46-man roster bonuses, $1M playtime incentive and $3M Pro Bowl incentive in 2018. So #49ers get protection, and Sherman gets upside to beat his #Seahawks deal if he plays well. Win-win.
Per spotrac, if he makes the pro bowl this year, he's getting $16M of salary guarantees in 18/19.
I was fair, and off the top of my head I listed the the #1 and #2s over just the past few years that I considered disappointments who did not deliver as expected. As a result there are today a # of holes, particularly on D.
And i never labeled the Ealy trade anything other than a dissapointment, so your hyperbole is misplaced. If we're going to ball wash BB on his brilliance (and I'm generally in the 'In BB we trust") and I've lauded his trading down/value approach to build draft capital, but his disppointments should be recognized, and not be so easily dismissed.
Nobody is dismissing them. It’s that the disappointments have to be given the proper context. Can you point to a team in similar circumstances (not really possible) that has notably out performed the Patriots? How do other teams’ 2nd rounders (which is a rough analogue to where the Pats draft their 1st and 2nd rounders, on average) pan out vis a vis the Pats? Is anybody batting better than .400 over the past 6 years or so?
It was suggested I was unfair for labeling the Pats last several #1 and #2 s as disaapointing. And I understand drafting towards the end of a round is not the same as drafting towards the top, but I'm not sure even accounting for that. what context you would like me to assess Ealy, (cut before the season started) Cooks, (still assessing) Richards, (bust in the making) Easley, (no longer on the team) (Cy Jones (bust in the making) Collins (traded) Dobson (IIRC released). Under what context would you label these picks in the aggregate as anything other than disappointing?
I don't lnow other teams batting average, slugging % or OPS, but off the top of my head I would ballpark that other teams may may have had greater success in terms of years of expected quality service that the Pats received for the above group of recent 1s and 2s. And again IMO explains both the relative aging of the Pats (from one of the NFLs younger teams to one of the older teams) and the # of holes they have to patch.
YMMV
I don't lnow other teams batting average, slugging % or OPS, but off the top of my head I would ballpark that other teams may may have had greater success in terms of years of expected quality service that the Pats received for the above group of recent 1s and 2s. And again IMO explains both the relative aging of the Pats (from one of the NFLs younger teams to one of the older teams) and the # of holes they have to patch.
YMMV
First off, I hope I didn't come off as overly combative to you; I did not intend to (It's just this Daylight savings and that lying son of a bitch Johnson).
I don't think I was arguing that the draft picks weren't disappointing...they certainly were for the most part (Collins maybe only so much because he looked so good at the end of his rookie season and the next year, and then ultimately "only" got a high 3rd rounder back for him). I think it was just that they necessarily weren't egregious mistakes by Bill. Not saying he's perfect and untouchable, just felt you went a little too far.
And re Ealy, yes he was a disappointment in that he never played, but my point was just that phrasing it as "Ealy for a #2" is incorrect...the Patriots did not give up a #2 just for him...they got the 8th pick in the 3rd round back as well. The trade worked out to the equivalent of giving up an early 5th rounder (according to the value chart). Obvious that's wasted draft capital, just like the Marsh trade, but again, it wasn't egregious. And it's not like every 5th rounder can be Matt Slater, Dan Koppen, or Marcus Cannon.
And I guess technically we're still accessing Cooks, but I'm not sure what you expected out of him or what you could have gotten better out of a #32 overall pick. It wasn't like he was another Ochocinco or Brandon Lloyd.
And of course, I didn't even mention that the Patriots also lost the draft pick capital from DFG (and going way back to Videotapingfromanimproperlocation-gate as well), that no other teams really had to deal with.
heh
I don't regard calling those # 1 & 2 picks "disappointing" as particulalry egregious or a hot take. But rather a reasonable assessment of the past few years.Again there's a reason this team got older over the last couple of years and had a greater reliance on quick fix FA vet band-aids, the 1s and 2s who you expect to be cornerstones for 5+ years, weren't.
I don't regard calling those # 1 & 2 picks "disappointing" as particulalry egregious or a hot take. But rather a reasonable assessment of the past few years.Again there's a reason this team got older over the last couple of years and had a greater reliance on quick fix FA vet band-aids, the 1s and 2s who you expect to be cornerstones for 5+ years, weren't.
I don't think it's any one thing. The recent draft record isn't great, but I don't think it's the primary driver of the defensive woes. The 2014 draft was a bust but those contracts would be up now anyway, which is what we've seen with the excellent 2012 (Jones, Hightower, Ebner) and 2013 (Collins, Ryan, Harmon) drafts. 2015 was great; people will complain about Richards and Grissom but they got three above-average starters in Flowers, Brown, and Shaq Mason. The problem is the last two years, and there the missing Deflategate pick and injuries are coloring perception. They drafted 8 players in the first 4 rounds of the last two drafts, and 5 of those 8 missed the entire 2017 campaign (Cyrus Jones, Valentine, Mitchell, Rivers, Garcia). If one or two of those guys is healthy or contributing, we might see the recent draft results pretty differently - but, importantly, it wouldn't necessarily have helped fix the defense.
The biggest issue to me is the resources they've thrown at the offense at the expense of the defense. One of the other 8 picks mentioned above, Brissett, was dealt for a WR. So was the first-rounder last year. When they traded Jones, they got back a guard and a late two, which they turned into Thuney and Mitchell - so three offensive players. They nailed the Jones and Collins picks but they're gone now, with UDFA steal Butler a cinch to follow. Meanwhile, they've kept the band together on offense, more or less; Brady obviously, Vollmer retired but they've kept Solder and Cannon, they've kept Edelman and Amendola (and added Cooks), they've kept Gronk. Who's the most significant FA departure on the offensive side of the ball in the past few seasons? Vereen? Blount? Bennett? LaFell? They haven't diminished that unit since trading Mankins early in 2014. Meanwhile the D has completely turned over, with only Hightower and the McCourty / Chung / Harmon safety trio remaining from the 2014 squad.
“We’re on the 1-yard line here!” 49ers GM John Lynch said late Saturday afternoon to the free-agent corner he was recruiting, Richard Sherman. “We can do this! We can put this in the end zone!”
Sherman smiled. “I’ve been at the 1-yard line before,” he said, “and it didn’t go so well.”
Lynch said: “I promise you, we won’t throw it this time.”
https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/03/12/richard-sherman-san-francisco-49ers-john-lynch-mmqb-peter-king
Sherman smiled. “I’ve been at the 1-yard line before,” he said, “and it didn’t go so well.”
Lynch said: “I promise you, we won’t throw it this time.”
https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/03/12/richard-sherman-san-francisco-49ers-john-lynch-mmqb-peter-king
Ben volin talks. An agent's lips move.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/patriots/2018/03/12/richard-sherman-five-missteps-negotiating-his-contract-with-ers/DeOmLJypHmxvk5Ev1V5z7H/story.html
https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/patriots/2018/03/12/richard-sherman-five-missteps-negotiating-his-contract-with-ers/DeOmLJypHmxvk5Ev1V5z7H/story.html
There's a lot of incentives, and there's a good chance he doesn't get a ton of money, but the dude will be 30 before the contract starts, and he missed the 2nd half of last season with a torn ACL - nobody was going to give him significant real guarantees.
Not that it changes your point, but it was an achilles injury, not a torn ACL.
Most likely not. I thought he'd get more in year 2 though. Either an option or roster bonus due at beginning of year. Gives him and the team a year to see how he responds.
Everything is a trade off though and as long as he's happy with the deal.