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Scottish Fitba 2018-19: Falling and Laughing

Discussion in 'Breakfast with Gazza (with Sachmoneious Bullcrap)' started by The Allented Mr Ripley, Jun 13, 2018.

  1. The Allented Mr Ripley

    The Allented Mr Ripley holden Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Celtic have won two Trebles in a row, Rangers finished third, and The Honest Men are in the Championship again. The National Team is sitting at home for the World Cup, which wasn't entirely unexpected, but they went about it in typical Scottish fashion (e.g. several heartbreaking rug-pulls along the way).

    Cheers to the coming year, lads!
     
  2. fletcherpost

    fletcherpost sosh's feckin' poet laureate Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    I was gonna start the thread, so glad you did Kev. Let's get the musical reference out the way first. I am very excited about the coming season.

     
  3. fletcherpost

    fletcherpost sosh's feckin' poet laureate Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    So it looks like Celtic are set to ink the Odsonne Edoaurd deal. Numbers not confirmed yet, but it is a new transfer record for Celtic, i think that's fair to say. Looking like £9m-£10m is the ball park figure.

    "The move is expected to be concluded shortly and it is believed that Celtic will lay out a club record fee to get their man."


    I like this move a lot. He will have resale value. He's young, plenty room to improve under BR, loves the club and he's gonna get regular playing time.

    https://stv.tv/sport/football/1418816-celtic-agree-fee-for-edouard/
     
  4. CodPiece XL

    CodPiece XL Member SoSH Member

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    I just got back from two weeks in Scotland today. I love that place.

    I'm honestly at the end of my rope with Rangers supporters. Look, I'll sit down and talk about football to any supporter, I don't care if it's Morton, Aberdeen St Johnstone etc. I'll even hope you take points of Celtic, maybe even win ..it's all good. But Jesus, Gerry fae Liverpool can do no wrong, his signings so far will put Celtic in Ranger's shadow etc etc. Reality: never heard of them and none would make the bench at Celtic or the squad for that matter. I just don't get it. They seem really angry, they have been pissed on , shit on , it's all about the rest of the Scottish teams trying to kill them off. Ummmm no, you managed that yourselves. I wouldn't want this to be my first post in a new thread, and I wouldn't unless I was personally abused and insulted by them in the last few days. Fuck, I'm at the point where I don't even want to talk about Scottish fitba anymore.
     
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  5. CodPiece XL

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    I think that's the Scottish press pulling a number out of their arses because they simply don't know. Pretty certain it's not 9-10.
     
  6. fletcherpost

    fletcherpost sosh's feckin' poet laureate Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Sun saying £10M

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/foot...-shatter-transfer-record-to-land-psg-striker/

    "CELTIC have shattered their transfer record to clinch the signing of Odsonne Edouard in a £10million deal.

    The Hoops have been locked in talks with PSG in order to land the French striker this summer."

    No figure on the Celtic website. Just that it's a four year deal.

    https://www.celticfc.net/news/14507

    "CELTIC Football Club is delighted to announce that it has signed striker Odsonne Edouard from French champions, Paris Saint-Germain, on a four-year deal in what is the biggest transfer in Celtic’s history."
     
  7. CodPiece XL

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    I think the actual up front figure is closer to 6M. There will be series of escalators in the deal such as international call ups, Celtic making the CL stages, goal incentives etc that may push that final figure closer to 10M . Of course if the final figure does reach 10M it means a lot went right and money well spent. The press were speculating months ago what the buyout figure was and they came up with 8-9M . Rodgers was asked about it and said the it wasn’t close to the figure being bandied about by the press. I just have my doubts it’s a simple 10m fee even in installments.
     
  8. Dummy Hoy

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    I don’t do religion, but my family did, and I end up on the Catholic side of that register every time with my biases in that particular derby. But fuck, you can understand why Rangers fans are awful right now. I mean, if you’re just Johnny Football who was born into Rangers, the last bit of time has been dreadful, and you’ve personally done naught wrong. They’re true, proper fans- know the game, love the game, live it. What has happened to their club (and as you point out, that is largely self-inflicted, which probably makes it worse and harder to accept) is traumatizing, and they’re acting the part. Not saying they shouldn’t be better, but it comes from a place.

    This makes me realize I’ve never really thought about the Old Firm loyalties in regard to the Tartan Army. Zero doubt the Scots are a top 3 fan base for me, truly amongst the best. Given the passion and the fact that 70% (?) of their fan base is on one side or another of this rivalry, what is the vibe amongst Scottish fans? I don’t hear much about it.
     
  9. CodPiece XL

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    I mentioned this in the old thread regarding the Scottish national team and a possible loss of Hampden as the home stadium. Of course, it doesn't help that the Scottish team has been pretty garbage for two decades. Anyway, the landscape has changed, it used to be that the majority of Celtic or Rangers fans would support the national team , if anything, I'd say more Celtic fans DIDN"T because of Irish heritage etc. Since Rangers went under, there is the perceived notion by a lot of their fans that it was the Scottish Football authorities that killed them off. How the SFA fits in here, I don't know. It had nothing to do with the SFA. Now it's all about "US" against the rest of Scotland and that means the Scottish national team. They call the "tartan army" , skirt wearing trannies. I've heard many Rangers fans say there is no way they will support the national team etc. The political landscape has changed of course, Scottish Independence vote, the swing to the SNP. Historically, Rangers have always been about queen and country, Great Britain. You won't believe how many times I have heard "you can't be a Rangers fan and support the SNP and want Independence". They link the two. Simply put, you want independence? You don't support Rangers then. Now with this siege mentality they also link supporting the Scottish national team with supporting independence and the break up of the union. I'm not dismissing the notion that the poor state on the national team has caused apathy. I'm not dismissing that my comments are based on a small sample size, but I will say be it Edinburgh, Glasgow or the Western Isles it's been a very noticable common theme I've seen and heard.

    My wife and I were staying in a hotel in Stornoway. Now my wife was given a brief synopsis about the Rangers- Celtic rivalry and a bit of history by me over the years. She is from Charleston , SC but she has taken an interest in the teams and sports I watch. I told her about what happened to Rangers back in 2012. Anyway, we are chatting to some guy at the hotel bar after a day out sea fishing just relaxing. General chit -chat, he was on the island doing an audit for monies that the European Commission had given the local castle for renovations etc. We landed up talking about sports. My wife has been working in baseball practically all her working life and that's how it all started, he asked about baseball . Anyway , she asks about him about football and what team he supports, Rangers he said...ohhhh my wife says, that's the team that had to start all over again right? Wow, what a reaction, he was practically spitting with hatred and hissed "fuck off you cunt, they didn't get liquidated, it was Celtic that was liquidated". The guy just turned on a dime, personality wise. It was like flicking a switch. I won't go into the details of what happened afterwards but he wasn't in the bar longer than 20 seconds after he said that to my wife.

    I don't think there is any point in rehashing the religious divide between the two teams. I will say that I have personally been doing some soul searching about my youth and growing up in the Western Isles, as you do as you get older. I get asked why I support Celtic given my Protestant upbringing. My usual response has been I didn't care about religion , my favorite color was green and I liked Kenny Dalglish.

    In the Western Isles of Scotland there were very few Catholics. I remember at my secondary school ( around 1200 kids), there were 4 families, they were shunned, put down. Even when they left the general class to go their own RE class, the teacher would give them a disgusted look and shake her head as they left the room . There was only a handful of Celtic supporters, we were a bunch of IRA supporting scum bags. At that time, Rangers dominated. Why would I put myself through the persecution of being a Celtic fan on a Catholic hating island being Protestant myself?

    I finally figured it out. My dad died when I was 5 ( we had been living abroad), my mother took me back to the islands . She wanted me to grow up in a safe place , good education, surrounded by good God fearing people. Anyway, my mother remarried, my step father and I never got on. I was pretty good at football, but nothing was ever good enough, if I scored three goals he'd ask why didn't I score more, if I had all A's on my school report he would say the school must be too easy. He loved Rangers, he would talk about them a lot..WE ARE THE PEOPLE I would hear him shout at the TV when Rangers were on. On my last trip home I realized the truth, it came back to me...it wasn't about my favorite color green, it wasn't about Kenny Dalglish...I did it out of spite. I became a Celtic fan to spite my step father and he hated it.
     
  10. Dummy Hoy

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    Thanks for the reply. There's a lot there.
     
  11. CodPiece XL

    CodPiece XL Member SoSH Member

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    Sorry , probably way too much .
     
  12. Dummy Hoy

    Dummy Hoy Angry Pissbum SoSH Member

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    No, I get it. And I do appreciate you sharing- it paints a clearer picture for me.
     
  13. mic99

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    Strong (message board) rumors that Tierney is off to Everton....that truly hurts if true. I really thought he would stick around for a few more years.

    Could start our Champions league campaign with Boyata and Lustig in Russia and KT in Liverpool.

    I imagine this does not help our slim chances of holding onto players like Dembele.
     
  14. fletcherpost

    fletcherpost sosh's feckin' poet laureate Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    It's still pre season in England, but up here in the Republic of Jockistan, there's been competitive fitba for a few weeks with the long drawn out Europa, and Champions League qualifiers. Normally Celtic would already be on their own, like a Murray at Wimbledon. This year we've still got three, yes three teams, into their respective 3rd round of qualification.

    Hibs deserve a lot of credit. There were down 0-2 at home to Asteras Tripolis of Greece, and came back to win the home leg 3-2. Last night they got a 1-1 draw away from home to keep dreams of reaching the Europa League Group Stages alive.

    The Rangers FC are a different animal this season. More bark, more bite, more scouse. They got through against a decent NK Osijek side. New manager Gerrard, Stevie of England and Liverpool fame described the Croatian side as cocky and mouthy, well they're not mouthy anymore cos the mighty Gers got a score draw at home and are through, largely thanks to Shagger. Two mare roonds tae go.

    Celtic got through against Rosenborg, 3-1 at home and scoreless away. I'd like to see Celtic spend some decent cash on a quality central defender, they have money, it's well worth their interests to splash out IMO.

    I'm not pleased at all that 26 teams go straight into the Champions League. I think it's a joke to just have 6 other sides from 4 qualifying rounds getting into the CL proper. They really need to think about changing the name of the tournament if this is the way things are going.

    If less than half the teams in the Champion's League are champions...well...I mean, it's not a champions league, it's that simple. Pre season starts way too early in Scotland, and I hope there's some challenge to the new CL direction moving forwards. The rich will always get richer, until the glorious revolution, but can we no slow it doon a wee bit ay?

    Four qualifying rounds to get into the CL for proper for Celtic is a fuckin joke.

    As ever I want to see more TV money coming to Scotland. I think it's gonna be a great season this year. If we have a better product, we ought to be better remunerated for it. The idiots, and i'm being kind using that term, who run the game up here and do the deals need to get their heeds out of their arses. Or pressure has to come from the clubs themselves.

    When Salford FC can pay more wages than Motherwell for a player, shit needs sorting out, bawbags need to be shown their fuckin jotters.
     
    #14 fletcherpost, Aug 3, 2018
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