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His reaction after the play tells you all you need to know.
He stood over him and celebrated the fact that Gronk was injured. It takes willful blindness to claim that hit wasn’t intentional.

Edit: I should add that every single outlandish hit like this, there are always people who take the “Just an aggressive play” line. What makes that aggravating is that it shouldn’t matter - you make a helmet to helmet play on a defenseless receiver or a QB who is giving themselves up, you should be tossed with no discussion. That also goes for cheap shots like the one Gronk himself delivered some weeks ago.
 
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So what happens now - is he allowed to practice at all, or does he have to be cleared first?
 

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So what happens now - is he allowed to practice at all, or does he have to be cleared first?
I believe but don’t know for sure that he has to be cleared first. Either way, my guess is that he’s not actually practicing until next week. Even with a mild concussion (assuming the best), there doesn’t seem to a lot of reason to push things and have him practice in week one.
 

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This was literally on the last page.

In the interests of understanding what Gronk is likely going through -- both to recover from his concussion / GET WELL and to get back to the team -- I came across the NFL's own Play Smart Play Safe campaign is which is very thorough and detailed. https://www.playsmartplaysafe.com/focus-on-safety/protecting-players/nfl-return-to-participation-protocol/. As most will remember from what Brock Holt went through last season, the symptoms can include
  • Headache;
  • Dizziness;
  • Balance or coordination difficulties;
  • Nausea;
  • Amnesia, both anterograde and retrograde;
  • Cognitive slowness;
  • Light/sound sensitivity;
  • Disorientation;
  • Visual disturbance
  • Tinnitus.
... so concussions can be pretty awful, and wouldn't wish that on anyone - ugh.

The entire Return to Practice Protocol is below (hence the very long post) and is administered by the Team Physician in consultation with the Independent Neurological Consultant, but I have tried to summarise it as follows:
  1. Rest and Recovery
  2. Light Aerobic Exercise which can be in tandem with neuro cognitive testing to measure whether the player has returned to baseline status (i.e., pre-concussion)
  3. Aerobic Exercise and Non-Contact Strength Training - again can be in tandem with testing - retesting can happen typically every 2 days until no symptoms are displayed -- need to be able to exercise strenuously without symptoms to go to Step 4 - or "Football Specific Activities". According to the below, Steps 2 and 3 are similar and often a continuation
  4. Football Specific Activities - cardiovascular conditioning, strength and balance training and participate in non-contact football activities such as throwing, catching, running and other position-specific activities (but still non-contact)
  5. Full Football Activity / Clearance - return to full team practices including full football activity (i.e., contact).
    Once Step 5 is satisfactorily completed (ie with no return of concussion symptoms), the team physician can recommend the player return to game activity in consultation with the Independent Neurological Consultant, who also has to examine the player and clear him for game activity.
Note: If a player exhibits reoccurring signs of the concussion during any point in the process, they return to the prior step.​

The Return-To-Participation Protocol (per NFL / NFLPA)
Step One: Rest and Recovery

This is the physical and relative cognitive rest step. The player-patient is prescribed rest, limiting or, if necessary, avoiding activities (both physical and cognitive) which increase or aggravate symptoms until his signs and symptoms and neurologic examination, including cognitive and balance tests, return to baseline status. During this step, the player-patient may engage in limited stretching and balance activity as tolerated at the discretion of the medical staff. Should additional issues present, the team physician should consider external consultation or additional diagnostic examinations.

Once the player-patient is at his baseline level of signs and symptoms and neurological examination, he may be cleared to proceed to the next step.

Neurocognitive testing is administered to assess the player-patient’s level of cognitive function and identify any acute / subacute deficits that would affect his ability to resume normal activities. Neurocognitive testing can be introduced any time after completing Step One, or during Steps Two or Three, as long as it is completed prior to the initiation of contact activities. The timing of neurocognitive testing is up to the team physician with consultation from the team’s neuropsychology consultant. All neurocognitive tests are to be interpreted by the team’s neuropsychology consultant, with the results communicated to the team physician.

Step Two: Light Aerobic Exercise

Step Two involves the initiation of a graduated exercise program. Under the direct oversight of the team’s medical staff, the player-patient should begin graduated cardiovascular exercise (e.g., stationary bicycle, treadmill) and may also engage in dynamic stretching and balance training. The duration and intensity of all activity may be gradually increased so long as the player-patient remains at baseline while performing the activity and for a reasonable period thereafter. If there is recurrence of signs or symptoms the activity should be discontinued. He may attend regular team meetings and engage in film study.

If neurocognitive testing was not administered during Step One, it should be administered during Step Two or Three. If a player-patient’s initial neurocognitive testing is not interpreted as back to baseline by the consulting team neuropsychologist, the tests will be repeated at a time interval agreed upon by the team physician and consulting team neuropsychologist (typically 48 hours). Additionally, a comprehensive evaluation of potential non-injury related causes of a noted neuropsychological decrement should be performed by the team physician. An athlete may be allowed to participate in non-contact activities even if their neurocognitive testing is interpreted as abnormal. The player-patient should not proceed to contact activities until their neurocognitive testing is interpreted as having returned to their baseline level by the consulting team neuropsychologist or, if a decrement persists, until the team physician has determined that this is not due to the concussion. The need and time interval for additional testing will be determined by the team physician, in consultation with the team’s neuropsychology consultant, based on the clinical status of the player-patient.

Once the player-patient has demonstrated his ability to engage in cardiovascular exercise without recurrence of signs or symptoms, he may proceed to the next step.

Step Three: Continued Aerobic Exercise & Introduction of Strength Training

The player-patient continues with supervised cardiovascular exercises that are increased and may mimic sport specific activities, and supervised strength training is introduced. Some may consider this step as a continuation of Step Two. If neurocognitive testing was not administered after Step One, or during Step Two, it should be administered during Step Three. If a player-patient’s initial neurocognitive testing is not interpreted as back to baseline by the consulting team neuropsychologist, the tests will be repeated at a time interval agreed upon by the team physician and consulting team neuropsychologist (typically 48 hours). A player-patient may be allowed to participate in non-contact activities even if his neurocognitive testing is interpreted as abnormal. The player-patient should not proceed to contact activities until their neurocognitive testing is interpreted as back to their baseline level by the consulting team neuropsychologist or, if a decrement is still present, until the team physician has determined a non-concussion related cause. The determination of when to proceed with contact activities is ultimately made by the team physician.

Once the player-patient has demonstrated his ability to engage in cardiovascular exercise and supervised strength training without recurrence of signs or symptoms, he may proceed to the next step.

Step Four: Football Specific Activities

The player-patient may continue cardiovascular conditioning, strength and balance training and participate in non-contact football activities such as throwing, catching, running and other position-specific activities. All activities at this step remain non-contact. (e.g., no contact with other players or objects, such as tackling dummies or sleds).

If the player-patient is able to tolerate all football specific activity without a recurrence of signs or symptoms of concussion and his neurocognitive testing has returned to baseline, he may be moved to the next step in the sequence.

Step Five: Full Football Activity/Clearance

After the player-patient has established his ability to participate in non-contact football activity including team meetings, conditioning and non-contact practice without recurrence of signs and symptoms and his neurocognitive testing is back to baseline, the team physician may clear him for full football activity involving contact. Once cleared by the team physician, the player-patient may participate in all aspects of practice. If the player-patient tolerates full participation practice and contact without signs or symptoms and the team physician concludes that the player-patient’s concussion has resolved, he may clear the player-patient to return to full participation. Upon clearance by the team physician, the player must be examined by the INC assigned to his Club. The INC must be provided a copy of all relevant reports and tests, including the player-patient’s neurocognitive tests and interpretations. If the INC confirms the team physician’s conclusion that the player-patient’s concussion has resolved, the player-patient is considered cleared and may participate in his Club’s next game or practice.

If a player exhibits reoccurring signs of the concussion during any point in the process, they return to the prior step.
He can't practice until step 4.
 

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In the interests of understanding what Gronk is likely going through -- both to recover from his concussion / GET WELL and to get back to the team -- I came across the NFL's own Play Smart Play Safe campaign is which is very thorough and detailed. https://www.playsmartplaysafe.com/focus-on-safety/protecting-players/nfl-return-to-participation-protocol/. As most will remember from what Brock Holt went through last season, the symptoms can include
  • Headache;
  • Dizziness;
  • Balance or coordination difficulties;
  • Nausea;
  • Amnesia, both anterograde and retrograde;
  • Cognitive slowness;
  • Light/sound sensitivity;
  • Disorientation;
  • Visual disturbance
  • Tinnitus.
... so concussions can be pretty awful, and wouldn't wish that on anyone - ugh.

The entire Return to Practice Protocol is below (hence the very long post) and is administered by the Team Physician in consultation with the Independent Neurological Consultant, but I have tried to summarise it as follows:
  1. Rest and Recovery
  2. Light Aerobic Exercise which can be in tandem with neuro cognitive testing to measure whether the player has returned to baseline status (i.e., pre-concussion)
  3. Aerobic Exercise and Non-Contact Strength Training - again can be in tandem with testing - retesting can happen typically every 2 days until no symptoms are displayed -- need to be able to exercise strenuously without symptoms to go to Step 4 - or "Football Specific Activities". According to the below, Steps 2 and 3 are similar and often a continuation
  4. Football Specific Activities - cardiovascular conditioning, strength and balance training and participate in non-contact football activities such as throwing, catching, running and other position-specific activities (but still non-contact)
  5. Full Football Activity / Clearance - return to full team practices including full football activity (i.e., contact).
    Once Step 5 is satisfactorily completed (ie with no return of concussion symptoms), the team physician can recommend the player return to game activity in consultation with the Independent Neurological Consultant, who also has to examine the player and clear him for game activity.
Note: If a player exhibits reoccurring signs of the concussion during any point in the process, they return to the prior step.​

The Return-To-Participation Protocol (per NFL / NFLPA)
Step One: Rest and Recovery

This is the physical and relative cognitive rest step. The player-patient is prescribed rest, limiting or, if necessary, avoiding activities (both physical and cognitive) which increase or aggravate symptoms until his signs and symptoms and neurologic examination, including cognitive and balance tests, return to baseline status. During this step, the player-patient may engage in limited stretching and balance activity as tolerated at the discretion of the medical staff. Should additional issues present, the team physician should consider external consultation or additional diagnostic examinations.

Once the player-patient is at his baseline level of signs and symptoms and neurological examination, he may be cleared to proceed to the next step.

Neurocognitive testing is administered to assess the player-patient’s level of cognitive function and identify any acute / subacute deficits that would affect his ability to resume normal activities. Neurocognitive testing can be introduced any time after completing Step One, or during Steps Two or Three, as long as it is completed prior to the initiation of contact activities. The timing of neurocognitive testing is up to the team physician with consultation from the team’s neuropsychology consultant. All neurocognitive tests are to be interpreted by the team’s neuropsychology consultant, with the results communicated to the team physician.

Step Two: Light Aerobic Exercise

Step Two involves the initiation of a graduated exercise program. Under the direct oversight of the team’s medical staff, the player-patient should begin graduated cardiovascular exercise (e.g., stationary bicycle, treadmill) and may also engage in dynamic stretching and balance training. The duration and intensity of all activity may be gradually increased so long as the player-patient remains at baseline while performing the activity and for a reasonable period thereafter. If there is recurrence of signs or symptoms the activity should be discontinued. He may attend regular team meetings and engage in film study.

If neurocognitive testing was not administered during Step One, it should be administered during Step Two or Three. If a player-patient’s initial neurocognitive testing is not interpreted as back to baseline by the consulting team neuropsychologist, the tests will be repeated at a time interval agreed upon by the team physician and consulting team neuropsychologist (typically 48 hours). Additionally, a comprehensive evaluation of potential non-injury related causes of a noted neuropsychological decrement should be performed by the team physician. An athlete may be allowed to participate in non-contact activities even if their neurocognitive testing is interpreted as abnormal. The player-patient should not proceed to contact activities until their neurocognitive testing is interpreted as having returned to their baseline level by the consulting team neuropsychologist or, if a decrement persists, until the team physician has determined that this is not due to the concussion. The need and time interval for additional testing will be determined by the team physician, in consultation with the team’s neuropsychology consultant, based on the clinical status of the player-patient.

Once the player-patient has demonstrated his ability to engage in cardiovascular exercise without recurrence of signs or symptoms, he may proceed to the next step.

Step Three: Continued Aerobic Exercise & Introduction of Strength Training

The player-patient continues with supervised cardiovascular exercises that are increased and may mimic sport specific activities, and supervised strength training is introduced. Some may consider this step as a continuation of Step Two. If neurocognitive testing was not administered after Step One, or during Step Two, it should be administered during Step Three. If a player-patient’s initial neurocognitive testing is not interpreted as back to baseline by the consulting team neuropsychologist, the tests will be repeated at a time interval agreed upon by the team physician and consulting team neuropsychologist (typically 48 hours). A player-patient may be allowed to participate in non-contact activities even if his neurocognitive testing is interpreted as abnormal. The player-patient should not proceed to contact activities until their neurocognitive testing is interpreted as back to their baseline level by the consulting team neuropsychologist or, if a decrement is still present, until the team physician has determined a non-concussion related cause. The determination of when to proceed with contact activities is ultimately made by the team physician.

Once the player-patient has demonstrated his ability to engage in cardiovascular exercise and supervised strength training without recurrence of signs or symptoms, he may proceed to the next step.

Step Four: Football Specific Activities

The player-patient may continue cardiovascular conditioning, strength and balance training and participate in non-contact football activities such as throwing, catching, running and other position-specific activities. All activities at this step remain non-contact. (e.g., no contact with other players or objects, such as tackling dummies or sleds).

If the player-patient is able to tolerate all football specific activity without a recurrence of signs or symptoms of concussion and his neurocognitive testing has returned to baseline, he may be moved to the next step in the sequence.

Step Five: Full Football Activity/Clearance

After the player-patient has established his ability to participate in non-contact football activity including team meetings, conditioning and non-contact practice without recurrence of signs and symptoms and his neurocognitive testing is back to baseline, the team physician may clear him for full football activity involving contact. Once cleared by the team physician, the player-patient may participate in all aspects of practice. If the player-patient tolerates full participation practice and contact without signs or symptoms and the team physician concludes that the player-patient’s concussion has resolved, he may clear the player-patient to return to full participation. Upon clearance by the team physician, the player must be examined by the INC assigned to his Club. The INC must be provided a copy of all relevant reports and tests, including the player-patient’s neurocognitive tests and interpretations. If the INC confirms the team physician’s conclusion that the player-patient’s concussion has resolved, the player-patient is considered cleared and may participate in his Club’s next game or practice.

If a player exhibits reoccurring signs of the concussion during any point in the process, they return to the prior step.
Streeter -- does this protocol incorporate the amendments that were made a couple of weeks ago? I know there was some grumbling in early December when Ertz was cleared for limited practice but not fully cleared and so I wondered whether the NFL/NFLPA agreement in mid-December changed anything about steps 4 and 5. It's hard to find reliable stuff on the internet. For example, I've seen some reports that vertical instability (without accompanying non-head injury) now makes you ineligible to return to a game -- which made all the speculation about whether Gronk would return on Sunday irrelevant. But, again, I dont know how reliable any of that is.
 

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Streeter -- does this protocol incorporate the amendments that were made a couple of weeks ago? I know there was some grumbling in early December when Ertz was cleared for limited practice but not fully cleared and so I wondered whether the NFL/NFLPA agreement in mid-December changed anything about steps 4 and 5. It's hard to find reliable stuff on the internet. For example, I've seen some reports that vertical instability (without accompanying non-head injury) now makes you ineligible to return to a game -- which made all the speculation about whether Gronk would return on Sunday irrelevant. But, again, I dont know how reliable any of that is.
DDB, I plucked this off the NFL's own playsmartplaysafe website.

Here is some additional information from the same website which is dated December 2017. Vertical instability is covered in the third bullet point, which I bolded. The fifth bullet point about testing the following day is also of interest; maybe it helps to finetune the original diagnosis and set up a recovery plan?

Improvements to the Concussion Protocol


In December 2017, the Head, Neck and Spine Committee made additional improvements to the Concussion Protocol:
  • Implemented a pilot program utilizing a centralized UNC based at the league office to monitor the broadcast feeds of all games. The UNC will contact the team medical staff on the sideline should they observe any signs or symptoms warranting further evaluation.
  • Defined impact seizure and fencing responses as independent signs of potential loss of consciousness, representing “No-Go” criteria under the current Protocol. Players who display either of these signs at any time shall be removed from play and may not return to the game.
  • Require a locker room concussion evaluation for all players demonstrating gross or sustained vertical instability (e.g., stumbling or falling to the ground when trying to stand).
  • Officials, teammates, and coaching staffs have been instructed to take an injured player directly to a member of the medical team for appropriate evaluation, including a concussion assessment, if warranted.
  • Require all players who undergo any concussion evaluation on game day to have a follow-up evaluation conducted the following day by a member of the medical staff.
  • Added a third UNC to all playoff games and the Super Bowl to serve as a backup who can step in immediately should one of the original two UNCs be absent from the sideline for a time to attend to a more severely injured player.
 

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Great info. Thanks streeter. So, that is all clearly post amendment, and it looks as though the NFL/NFLPA did retain the ability to come back for noncontact practice before gameday clearance. Not sure it will matter too much in this case with two weeks but I guess we will see.
 

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The first week of the SB interval is like watching grass grow. Going nuts waiting for real news to start again, which is an incredibly Patriot-ish problem to have...
Seriously. Plus I live in the venue city, so I was super amped on Sunday night and then it's like "Holy shit this party is going to be incredible!"...

"Where is everyone?"

It's like waking up as a kid thinking it's Christmas Eve when really it's December 12th.
 

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The first week of the SB interval is like watching grass grow. Going nuts waiting for real news to start again, which is an incredibly Patriot-ish problem to have...
Why the two weeks when the first week is dead space?

I have always wondered that (and the Pro Bowl was in Hawaii after the SuperBowl).

It's ironic that the one time the NFL needed that week (Post 9/11 for the first Pats Super Bowl win) it wasn't there and they had to negotiate to postpone the SuperBowl one week. everyone will watch the Super Bowl anyways but this first week absolutely sucks.

Getting back to Gronk, we are discussing about the protocol and the steps to have him cleared, yet how many teams have we seen basically disregard it? Russel Wilson and the Seahawks did it at least once this season, so kudos to the Pats for taking him in, accepting the diagnosis and taking the necessary steps.
 

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Why the two weeks when the first week is dead space?

I have always wondered that (and the Pro Bowl was in Hawaii after the SuperBowl).

It's ironic that the one time the NFL needed that week (Post 9/11 for the first Pats Super Bowl win) it wasn't there and they had to negotiate to postpone the SuperBowl one week. everyone will watch the Super Bowl anyways but this first week absolutely sucks.

Getting back to Gronk, we are discussing about the protocol and the steps to have him cleared, yet how many teams have we seen basically disregard it? Russel Wilson and the Seahawks did it at least once this season, so kudos to the Pats for taking him in, accepting the diagnosis and taking the necessary steps.
You answered your own question there.
 

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I used to think the two week prep lead to some of the blowouts. The coachihg is so good, when you have that kind of time you can really figure out how to beat the other guys. Weaknesses are hard to hide, and the stronger team finds them and exploits them.
 

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You answered your own question there.
I know that, but they got it done that year (and it was in New Orleans, a very convention heavy town and the Superdome had been booked already).

So a week of dead space in the event of a catastrophe?
 

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Why the two weeks when the first week is dead space?

I have always wondered that (and the Pro Bowl was in Hawaii after the SuperBowl).

It's ironic that the one time the NFL needed that week (Post 9/11 for the first Pats Super Bowl win) it wasn't there and they had to negotiate to postpone the SuperBowl one week. everyone will watch the Super Bowl anyways but this first week absolutely sucks.

Getting back to Gronk, we are discussing about the protocol and the steps to have him cleared, yet how many teams have we seen basically disregard it? Russel Wilson and the Seahawks did it at least once this season, so kudos to the Pats for taking him in, accepting the diagnosis and taking the necessary steps.
I don’t think Gronk’s family would allow any concussion protocol shortcuts.
 

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When they had only one week intervals, the games weren't very good. Teams are pretty beat up at the end of the season. The extra week of recuperation leads to better football.
 

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I know that, but they got it done that year (and it was in New Orleans, a very convention heavy town and the Superdome had been booked already).

So a week of dead space in the event of a catastrophe?
No--Super Bowl I had a 2 week break. That's the "tradition".

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/jan/27/super-bowl-50-game-break-fans-nfl

“The two-week break before the Super Bowl started with Super Bowl I,” Greg Aiello, an NFL spokesman, told the Guardian. “The concept was to give the promotion of the game time to build. The two-week break has been standard procedure since the first Super Bowl. There have been one-week breaks a handful of times when circumstances dictated it. Another benefit is that it gives the two teams more rest and recovery from injury.”
In a February 1990 interview with the Orlando Sentinel, Hank Stram, the former coach of the Chiefs who became a CBS analyst, said: ‘’I don’t think anybody can prepare for a Super Bowl in one week. The so-called off-week is more important than the week right before the Super Bowl. The off-week gives the coaches time to prepare and the players time to rest.”
 

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BB apparently gave some great answers to the press about Gronk just now... Videos and articles won't load on my work computer though, at the moment.
 

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Q: What's the status of Gronk? Where is he in the concussion protocol process? Do you expect him to play?

A: When the injury report comes out I'll make sure you get it first.
 

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Who asked that question?

He replied to Bill 'oh I'm sure you will.'

Do these guys think they get points on the big board hanging at the sports reporter club for taking it to Bill?
 

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Who asked that question?

He replied to Bill 'oh I'm sure you will.'

Do these guys think they get points on the big board hanging at the sports reporter club for taking it to Bill?
I have no problem if a sports reporter returns sarcasm with sarcasm. That said, I don't think BB will ever lose one of those exchanges.
 

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I just saw what parts NFLN chose to show on the B.B. presser. Reminded him that Pats have never scored in the 1st quarter. Like, thanks for reminding me, in so many words. “We’re trying to score and keep the other team from scoring.” Said this twice. Also, when asked about the Eagles, they’re a cross between the ‘84 49ers and the ‘85 Bears, of course. No, he didn’t say that, but just about. I wonder if he describes all upcoming opponents that way trying to lull them into a false of security?
 

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I wonder if he describes all upcoming opponents that way trying to lull them into a false of security?
I think it is more about avoiding potential bulletin board material than anything. He also does it to make sure that his players remain focused and not complacent.
 

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I think it is more about avoiding potential bulletin board material than anything. He also does it to make sure that his players remain focused and not complacent.
Plus he believes it and it's true. BB always says the difference between winning and losing often comes down to one play. One block or missed tackle on one play. Every team in the Super Bowl is going to be excellent. The Eagles are the #1 seed after all.
 

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Wait, you’d be more concerned about Gronk playing if he was cleared for and participated in practice than if he wasn’t? Huh?
 

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For the record, no Patriot practiced today. There was no practice. The NFL still requires a projection of what players' status would have been if there had been a practice. So, it's not worth very much. Tomorrow is the first real practice report.
 

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For the record, no Patriot practiced today. There was no practice. The NFL still requires a projection of what players' status would have been if there had been a practice. So, it's not worth very much. Tomorrow is the first real practice report.
It's almost a lock that he'll be out the entire week. That will give him 10 days to go through protocol before the first practice in Minneapolis next Wednesday.
 

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Media Day should be the first real idea we have. If he’s there, he should be good to go. I can’t imagine doctors would let a player show up to all that hoopla concussed. If not, time for puckerbutts.
 

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Wait, you’d be more concerned about Gronk playing if he was cleared for and participated in practice than if he wasn’t? Huh?
Eleven days out from the game? Yeah I would. Because there’s no need for it and it would strike me as a bad choice. Let him rest. Him getting a stupid ding in meaningless practice this far out would be moronic in my opinion and quite frankly I don’t give much weight to the protocol as it is. He’s going to play, I’d rather he rests and recoups this far out from the game rather than go out and run drills against scout teams.
 

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Eleven days out from the game? Yeah I would. Because there’s no need for it and it would strike me as a bad choice. Let him rest. Him getting a stupid ding in meaningless practice this far out would be moronic in my opinion and quite frankly I don’t give much weight to the protocol as it is. He’s going to play, I’d rather he rests and recoups this far out from the game rather than go out and run drills against scout teams.
He's probably going to play ...he nor the team control the final decision...an independent neurologist is in the mix..
 

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He's probably going to play ...he nor the team control the final decision...an independent neurologist is in the mix..
And if there's debate on if he will be ready, would you rather he be out on the practice field today or on Monday? I just don't think he's gaining a lot from running routes or blocking schemes for a few extra days at this point.
 

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And if there's debate on if he will be ready, would you rather he be out on the practice field today or on Monday? I just don't think he's gaining a lot from running routes or blocking schemes for a few extra days at this point.
He can stay out as long as he wants...I just hope he is good to go in 11 days....
 

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For Gronk's health firrst and foremost
DDB, I plucked this off the NFL's own playsmartplaysafe website.

Here is some additional information from the same website which is dated December 2017. Vertical instability is covered in the third bullet point, which I bolded. The fifth bullet point about testing the following day is also of interest; maybe it helps to finetune the original diagnosis and set up a recovery plan?

Improvements to the Concussion Protocol


In December 2017, the Head, Neck and Spine Committee made additional improvements to the Concussion Protocol:
  • Implemented a pilot program utilizing a centralized UNC based at the league office to monitor the broadcast feeds of all games. The UNC will contact the team medical staff on the sideline should they observe any signs or symptoms warranting further evaluation.
  • Defined impact seizure and fencing responses as independent signs of potential loss of consciousness, representing “No-Go” criteria under the current Protocol. Players who display either of these signs at any time shall be removed from play and may not return to the game.
  • Require a locker room concussion evaluation for all players demonstrating gross or sustained vertical instability (e.g., stumbling or falling to the ground when trying to stand).
  • Officials, teammates, and coaching staffs have been instructed to take an injured player directly to a member of the medical team for appropriate evaluation, including a concussion assessment, if warranted.
  • Require all players who undergo any concussion evaluation on game day to have a follow-up evaluation conducted the following day by a member of the medical staff.
  • Added a third UNC to all playoff games and the Super Bowl to serve as a backup who can step in immediately should one of the original two UNCs be absent from the sideline for a time to attend to a more severely injured player.
In re-reading the changes the league made in December, I think they are trying to avoid the Russell Wilson and Marcus Mariota scenarios, which caused many to conclude the concussion protocol was being inconsistently applied at best.

Wilson came out for a play at the direction of the referee, sat one play then came back in. He was only tested for concussion symptoms later in the day. The Seahawks were fined $100,000 for breaching the protocol, which pretty much ensures they will follow it more rigorously next time (league will likely more harshly judge subsequent infractions). Also, their coaches were required to undergo substantial retraining on the protocol -- but they just fired most of them... Mariota came out for a play as well, but wasn't judged to have a concussion and rejoined the game, despite significant "vertical instability". Both events occurred in November, hence the changes to the protocol in December.

In both cases, testing the next day might have helped to ensure there was no concussion. Also, the vertical instability change would have requried Mariota at the least to go to the locker room for further / independent evaluation.

As a result, Gronk's treatment is likely to be watched closely (scrutinized?) by the league, which would seem to cast doubt on his availability at all before mid-next week.
 
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Let's hope Gronk is healthy and safe, just as a life thing, first and foremost. But let's hope too, in a secondary sort of way, that this rest he will get will result in the same kind of performance we saw following his suspension. He came out refreshed and energized, and put up 13 for 168, laughing in the face of the Steelers defense.
 

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If he's working out, that means he's probably (but not certainly) back to baseline, so definitely a good step. Also, if he really is working out, it means he's bee cleared for cognitive stuff (film study, etc.).

The crucial date looks to be next Thursday. If he is a full participant Thursday, that gives enough of a buffer for him to have a second chance on Friday even if the independent neurologist were to kick him back one step. I think limited practice next Wednesday is what we're looking for. Anything sooner than that is gravy.
 
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