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Funny how? The dude won the MVP and was lights out this postseason. He's absolutely a top 5 QB now.
Bc without changing anything he did in that game, and just changing whether the defense makes a play vs not, he could be labeled a choker/not ready for prime time or next level/elite QB.
 

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I love this:

Matt Ryan: "What the fuck guys, did you hold?"

Tom Compton: "I did not"

Jake Matthews: "...."
That is great. The whole sequence is great.

Julio makes the catch.
Blount says they are going to run the clock and kick the FG.
Announcers agree and point out if that happens the game will be largely out of reach for the Pats.
Ryan takes a sack.
Announcer says you can't take a sack.
FG kicker looks as if he'd rather be anywhere else on the planet than in that stadium.
Quinn says they are right at the limit of FG range.
Ryan completes a pass.
Quinn says "Field Goal!"
Penalty flag, Ryan says "What the fuck guys..."
Incomplete pass.
Quinn says "Punt!"
Brady says "Laser focused!"


Atlanta is getting killed for their decision-making there, as they should be, but the bigger problem was that the players and coaches on the other side that blew up your drive and that you failed to kill are some sort of relentless cyborg assassin horror movie nightmares beasts. So discounting those few desperation plays at the end of regulation where Matt Ryan comes closer to coughing it up than winning the game, he never gets the ball back again. He just spends the next twenty minutes watching his defense get carved up.
 
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Bc without changing anything he did in that game, and just changing whether the defense makes a play vs not, he could be labeled a choker/not ready for prime time or next level/elite QB.
Anyone who labels him as such is a moron. Simple as that (not suggesting you are).
 

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Atlanta is getting killed for their decision-making there, as they should be, but the bigger problem was that the players and coaches on the other side that blew up your drive and that you failed to kill are some sort of relentless cyborg assassin horror movie nightmares beasts. So discounting those few desperation plays at the end of regulation where Matt Ryan comes closer to coughing it up then winning the game, he never gets the ball back again. He just spends the next twenty minutes watching his defense get carved up.
The after the fact dissection is really unfortunate sometimes.

Teams make shitty decisions and bad plays all the time and the question is whether the other team can take advantage. People act like a 10-yard sack to save the game is the obvious result of what happens when you drop back for 3.3 seconds. It isn't. The Patriots made a play.

Just like the decision of Matt Ryan to try to fit a ball into an impossible window when his team absolutely could not afford a turnover was a terrible decision. Yet, he completed the pass, and so all we're talking about is how it almost was one of the greatest plays in Super Bowl history. If the ball is four inches lower, the entire narrative is about why he makes that pass when Freeman had seconds earlier completed a 35-yard completion on a safe throw out of the backfield. Yet, that was fine, and then we savage the team when the very same sensibility causes them to try to keep the drive going and play out the game on offense.

Just like the decision of Tom Brady to throw a floater on first and goal in a game where you win a championship with a 2 yard run could have been one of the dumbest decisions since Pete Carroll. Except it's merely a footnote. Or just as the Patriots trying and poorly executing an onside kick way too early in a game where they really couldn't afford to give up another field goal was a very questionable decision, but the Falcons didn't walk through the door that got opened.
 

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Or just as the Patriots trying and poorly executing an onside kick way too early in a game where they really couldn't afford to give up another field goal was a very questionable decision, but the Falcons didn't walk through the door that got opened.
This is nonsense. Two minutes left in the third was "way too early" down by 19, yet at the same time they really couldn't afford to give up another field goal? Show your work.
 

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Atlanta is getting killed for their decision-making there, as they should be, but the bigger problem was that the players and coaches on the other side that blew up your drive and that you failed to kill are some sort of relentless cyborg assassin horror movie nightmares beasts. So discounting those few desperation plays at the end of regulation where Matt Ryan comes closer to coughing it up then winning the game, he never gets the ball back again. He just spends the next twenty minutes watching his defense get carved up.
I love the idea of the highlights of this game being edited together with appropriate music and graphics to make it into a movie trailer with Ryan as the befuddled victim wandering around while Brady is the T1000 type guy who cannot be killed.
 

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This is nonsense. Two minutes left in the third was "way too early" down by 19, yet at the same time they really couldn't afford to give up another field goal? Show your work.
Other than the "show your work," the rest of your post is not coherent to me so I don't know how to answer it.

Here's the answer to the show your work part.

Unsuccessful onside kick (assume opponent recovery at 40 yard line): Opponent's projected points added: 2.917. Patriot's win percentage assuming 2.917 points will be scored by Falcons on drive after onside kick: .10%. (Use 2:45 for average drive time.)

Standard kick off (assume opponent recovery at 25 yard line): Opponent's projected points added: 0.607. Patriot's win percentage assuming .607 points will be scored by Falcons on drive after standard kick: .20%. (Use 2:45 for average drive time.)

WP if onside kick recovered (assume recovery at 40 yard line): .40%.

Chance of onside recovery based on 2016 stats: 12%
 

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Man, it got a little dusty in here when Jules said, "Let's go score and win this thing baby. For your Mom. For your Mom, bro"
To each their own, but I thought that was stupid. "For your Mom." And if Brady didn't finish it, was Brady not sufficiently supportive of his mom? I know that's not what Edelman was saying, but to me, I like to think Brady was thinking to himself ("shut up and play Jules").
 

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I thought this breakdown from Greg Cosell was really good and it really shows how if Freeman even slowed Hightower down a half a step the game could well have been over.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/greg-cosells-super-bowl-review-inside-the-play-that-flipped-the-patriots-super-bowl-win-195345367.html
Maybe. Long had beaten Matthews pretty badly and was right in Ryan's face. Not sure Ryan is able to get that one out there to Robinson in that situation.

Matthews had a rough game. Two bad holding penalties, Flowers beat him for a sack, Long beat him a couple other times - it's not one he's going to tell his grandkids about.
 

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Other than the "show your work," the rest of your post is not coherent to me so I don't know how to answer it.

Here's the answer to the show your work part.

Unsuccessful onside kick (assume opponent recovery at 40 yard line): Opponent's projected points added: 2.917. Patriot's win percentage assuming 2.917 points will be scored by Falcons on drive after onside kick: .10%. (Use 2:45 for average drive time.)

Standard kick off (assume opponent recovery at 25 yard line): Opponent's projected points added: 0.607. Patriot's win percentage assuming .607 points will be scored by Falcons on drive after standard kick: .20%. (Use 2:45 for average drive time.)

WP if onside kick recovered (assume recovery at 40 yard line): .40%.

Chance of onside recovery based on 2016 stats: 12%
So, WP was below 1%, expected ATL drive time takes you to the 4th quarter down 20, and it's too early for an onside kick? That makes zero sense.

I'd also note that "surprise" onside kicks are recovered almost half the time, and prior to the kick, ATL had averaged 46 yards/possession, 3.5 points/possession, and Ryan had a perfect passer rating.

From Brian Burke (AFA):

A surprise onside kick is one way to give things a chance to do just that. Surprise onside kicks are usually a good idea — they’re recovered almost half the time, compared with less than 20 percent of the time for expected onside kicks, according to my analysis of onside kicks in the 2008-15 seasons. (I’m defining “surprise” as any time the win probability for the kicking team is greater than 10 percent. The Patriots’ kick in the third quarter doesn’t fit that description, but it wasn’t a conventional spot for an onside kick.) Even when the score is close or when you’re ahead, it can be a good idea. It all depends on how the receiving team is playing. If it looks like it tends not to respect the possibility of an onside, it’s definitely the right call.
 

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Other than the "show your work," the rest of your post is not coherent to me so I don't know how to answer it.

Here's the answer to the show your work part.

Unsuccessful onside kick (assume opponent recovery at 40 yard line): Opponent's projected points added: 2.917. Patriot's win percentage assuming 2.917 points will be scored by Falcons on drive after onside kick: .10%. (Use 2:45 for average drive time.)

Standard kick off (assume opponent recovery at 25 yard line): Opponent's projected points added: 0.607. Patriot's win percentage assuming .607 points will be scored by Falcons on drive after standard kick: .20%. (Use 2:45 for average drive time.)

WP if onside kick recovered (assume recovery at 40 yard line): .40%.

Chance of onside recovery based on 2016 stats: 12%
I disagree with this analysis.

Given context and team structure, a successful onside kick improves their winning probability by a higher than average percentage. The Patriots offense is one of the best in the league and the Falcons defense average at best. The Patriots knew they could score. Similarly, taking a possession away from the best offense in the league is a higher shift in win probability than the average rate. Factor in as well that Belicheck may believe (rightly or not) that his onside recovery has a higher than average chance of succeeding.

I also think you have to factor into the situation that you may prefer a 2:45 drive with a field goal than a 5:30 (or longer) drive with a punt. An 8:00 drive with a field goal really kills them. They were at 9 points at the time so a field goal still leaves them 3 scores (and a two point conversion) from tying. Maximizing drives for the offense is as important a consideration as not giving up points on defense at that point in time.

I thought it was the right decision.
 

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That makes zero sense.
Happy to let you have the last word (as far as I'm concerned) on the question of the onside kick.

I might also note, though, that pulling out fact in a longer post to declare "nonsense," and in so doing missing the entire overall point of the post, while perhaps something of a time honored tradition in some corners in BBTL, is how threads can devolve into suck.
 

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Happy to let you have the last word (as far as I'm concerned) on the question of the onside kick.

I might also note, though, that pulling out fact in a longer post to declare "nonsense," and in so doing missing the entire overall point of the post, while perhaps something of a time honored tradition in some corners in BBTL, is how threads can devolve into suck.
Okay, we can let it go. But while I had no problem with your overall post, I think a discussion of the wisdom of the OK is worthwhile, not suck. Though I'll defer going forward to your belief that it's not appropriate in the thread.
 
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LOL at poor Jimmy G. In super bowl 49 he has that "nobody to hug" moment with TB12, then in this one he's trying to high-five Edelman, who disses him with his "it's not over!" schtick. The grandkids Garoppolo are not going to like this.

Edit commas...fucking commas.
 

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Turning Point, most of it has been seen in other clips, but some of the play breakdowns are interesting, particularly the Hightower sack

 

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I'm watching Turning Point now and boy does Matt Ryan throw a pretty ball. Perfect, tight spiral is a thing of beauty.

Edit: just made it to the fourth quarter and Brady's is prettier. :beatit:
 
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i think there is one just like that with Amendola instead of Edelman, or have I been watching too many of these and I'm losing it?
After the pats scored (I think it pulled them to down 8 or tied it, can't recall) there's a shot of Amendola walking by brady on the bench. Brady gives him an atta boy an Dola just gives a subtle nod and wink. The confidence and focus, good golly, in the middle of the greatest comeback ever and he nods and winks like a bartender picking up a tip.
 

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James White on Conan now (was supposed to be on last night). He's so small next to Conan lol but great to see him have his moment - and Conan to continue to celebrate all that is great about Boston sports
 

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Nobody wants to talk about Edelman hanging with Guy Fieri? I mean, I don't either, but...
That was cringing and it seemed like Guy had one too many jalapeño infused cranberry vodka tonics. The worst was watching him pull away from Lima to hug that meathead.

On a seperate note, that was very sweet with Mrs. Brady and Blount. Also, I'm still laughing at Jimmy G.
 

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Nice post game segment with Chris Long and the Fox crew talking about coming in and being willing to take a lesser role to win.

 

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Watching Turning Point, and I hadn't totally realized what a great catch James White makes on the direct snap 2-point conversion. That ball was snapped with some real speed and he did a great job reaching out, snagging it, and getting into the end zone.

A few angles of it here.

Also underrated: the accuracy of many of the calls by the officiating crew. The catch by Edelman, the sideline catch by Julio, the game-winning touchdown spot. In an average game you'd expect them to miss at least one of those and need replay to change it, but they did an impressive job all game. Obviously a few calls may have been missed here and there as in any game, but they got a lot of the tough ones right.
 
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Lots more Atlanta reaction in Turning Point than I've seen. It's hard not to feel badly for those guys. Alford in particular looks really down, which kind of puts his silly silver-lining tweet in perspective. It will be interesting to see if they stay competitive in what looks to be a pretty difficult NFC, but I will root for them.
 

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Nice post game segment with Chris Long and the Fox crew talking about coming in and being willing to take a lesser role to win.

With about 1 minute left Dirty Water comes on in the stadium. How did I not notice that Sunday night? It's the little things that make me happy over these past 16 years.
 

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With about 1 minute left Dirty Water comes on in the stadium. How did I not notice that Sunday night? It's the little things that make me happy over these past 16 years.
This also syncs up time wise with the Edelman interview with the NFL Network guys, you could just barely make it out.
 

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Starting tomorrow at 11:30am the NFL Network is showing all seven Super Bowls in the Brady/Belichick era. The complete games. It goes on all weekend.
Gonna have to make some room on the DVR. I think the season of "This Is Us" that I may never watch is probably going to have to go.
 
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Hard not to love Chris Long. Hope he's back for another go in 2017. Also, Howie has always been a good guy to BB and the Pats, even more so now, of course. Thanks for posting.

So, um, James White gets a truck on Conan. Where's that clip? I'm 48. Come on, young guys. Do. Your. Job.
 

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Patriots.com has the Bose sights and sounds. On Mobile or would link to both, but also some Belichick sound during the game. Not a lot but still some.


Also has post game celebration.


If you want to see and hear the Brady and Goodell handshake. It's in there.
 
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