Sabathia "Red Sox Weak"

[Papo The Snow Tiger]

Apparently Fatso didn't like Eduardo Nunez' s first inning bunt attempt last night.

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/cc-sabathia-rips-red-sox-for-bunts-says-they-took-the-weak-road/

 

[Rough Carrigan]

It seems weaker to be an athlete, have all the money in the world and not be able to get yourself under a weight that would be considered morbidly obese. What's weaker, to be beaten by another guy or a dessert tray?

 

[budcrew08]

He's got a knee injury, he doesn't move all that well anyway. Nothing wrong with Nunez's bunting, CC is just whining for no reason.

 

[soxhop411]

 

[grimshaw]

It's one of those stupid baseball etiquette things. Teams wouldn't do it to Lester in the NL even when they knew he had issues throwing to 1st..

 

[Murderer's Crow]

It seems weaker to be an athlete, have all the money in the world and not be able to get yourself under a weight that would be considered morbidly obese. What's weaker, to be beaten by another guy or a dessert tray?

Plenty of skinny athletes with knee problems and CC has every right to be mad...and every right to be judged.

No matter how you shake it out, there is some undefined code of ethics in baseball that you don't try to injure someone. When you intentionally bunt with the hopes of taking advantage of an injury it is bush-league. It is also smart baseball. Both narratives are correct here. Yankees fans have seen what not bunting on injured pitchers can do so I fully endorse bunting every at bat until his leg falls off while acknowledging that it's an ahole thing to do.

 

[Smiling Joe Hesketh]

They're not trying to injure him, they're taking advantage of a perceived weakness. That's not bush league: as the legendary Herm Edwards once told us, "You play to win the game." If there was a catcher who had the yips throwing back to the pitcher, taking second on such a throw would also be perfectly acceptable.

CC has shut the Sox down all year, so trying new strategies to get runner on against him would be smart even if he wasn't battling a bum knee.

Had the Yankees bunted all over Schilling during the bloody sock game, that would have been perfectly acceptable (hell, it would have been very smart).

Baseball players are, in general, enormous babies. CC is merely following the trend here.

 

[DJnVa]

Yep--Yankees should have bunted on Schilling to see how he reacted.

I've never seen this complaint in another sport--DB has bit of a hammy problem, you target him, etc.

 

[StuckOnYouk]

Just another instance where the Yankees get to show their ahole smugness and teach others how to "play the game".
It never ends with them.

 

[Marbleheader]

When it's not the Yankees, it's the Orioles. So nice to have two such impeccable organizations in the division to show everyone how it's done.

 

[PaulinMyrBch]

It's ridiculous, imagine if Girardi tells Farrell when exchanging lineup cards "Hey, CC has still got that popping sound in his knee, so can you guys hold off bunting until we get a relief pitcher in the game?" and John replies "But with Elsbury, his arm just sucks right, I mean, he's healthy and all? So we're good to take 3rd" JG - "Yeah, you're good"

CC can be pissed we led off the game bunting, and he can be happy he put up 2 K's to get out of it. But to expect us to do things his way is crazy.

 

[Leather]

When it's not the Yankees, it's the Orioles. So nice to have two such impeccable organizations in the division to show everyone how it's done.

And the Rays are merely dormant in this regard.

 

[YTF]

Makes perfect sense to test him right away to get a feel as to how he can move in case a bunt situation arises later. If he were an outfielder returning from a shoulder injury would it be wrong to attempt to take an extra base or take a wide turn and make him throw the ball in to see what he's able to do?

 

[jayhoz]

Shut the fuck up and pitch you fat fuck. Why the hell wouldn't a team try to take advantage of every perceived weakness they can find? What's next, not going 1st to 3rd because Ellsbury has a noodle arm? Should a team not steal on a catcher recovering from a shoulder injury?

 

[bankshot1]

Perhaps if CC made the play without an E-1 batters would not bunt on him.

 

[drbretto]

If this was the Orioles doing this to the Sox, a lot of you would be pissed.

But, I'd still be here saying "well, then don't pitch with a bum knee" because that's baseball. You take whatever edge you can get.

 

[DJnVa]

If this was the Orioles doing this to the Sox, a lot of you would be pissed..

We would?

We just said the Yankees, in an ALCS game, should have done it.

 

[Stitch01]

This was over one bunt? Couldnt see the game, saw the headline, assumed the Sox were bunting everywhere. The complaint is because one guy bunted for a hit in the first inning? Come on man.

 

[TheoShmeo]

I wonder how Yankees fans applauding CC now and mumbling about "playing the game right" reconcile their nearly universal lament that Torre should have had his guys bunting all over Schilling in Game 6. The few I've asked have pretended that they were OK with what the Yankees did in that game.

 

[LogansDad]

I'm pissed that they didn't do it more. These guys get paid millions of dollars to go out there and try to win a championship in any way (within the rules) that they can, not cater to the needs of an opposing player who might get his feelings hurt if they make him do something he isn't comfortable with. The fact that it worked, and they didn't go back to it later in the game, is more of a condemnation of the Red Sox than the fact that they did it once.

They haven't been able to hit this asshole all year, and that's part of the reason they haven't been able to put the division away. They need to be finding any way they can to beat these guys, and if that means making CC burn a few extra calories, then so be it.

I've alway liked Bartolo Colon better anyway.

 

[drbretto]

We would?

We just said the Yankees, in an ALCS game, should have done it.

True. I keep forgetting this place is better than the normal internet.

 

[Curt S Loew]

He's just pissed that he has to do something. If that was a donut rolling towards him he wouldn't bitch.

 

[Dan Murfman]

He was annoyed after the last start too. Nunez and Benintendi bunted in the first inning.
https://www.google.com/amp/nypost.com/2017/08/20/cc-sabathia-calls-out-red-sox-after-bunting-spree/amp/

 

[Smiling Joe Hesketh]

Gee, I wonder if they're doing it in part because it annoys him? Nah....

 

[ToeKneeArmAss]

Nm

 

[Byrdbrain]

This was over one bunt? Couldnt see the game, saw the headline, assumed the Sox were bunting everywhere. The complaint is because one guy bunted for a hit in the first inning? Come on man.

Yep one bunt. It was also pretty much right to him, he fielded it easily and made a bad throw to first for an E-1.

Edit: As stated there were two last game and he was annoyed then too.

 

[grimshaw]

IIRC they tried to bunt twice in the first inning last time they faced him. Nunez failed to get it down and eventually struck out, and then Beni bunted into an out

He didn't say anything then.

Edit: Already noted above.

 

[moondog80]

IIRC they tried to bunt twice in the first inning last time they faced him. Nunez failed to get it down and eventually struck out, and then Beni bunted into an out

He didn't say anything then.

Right. I hope they stop doing it, but only because I don't think it's a good strategy, not for the top of the lineup up anyway.

 

[shaggydog2000]

Hockey teams only tell you whether the injury is above or below the waist in the playoffs because they know a player on another team will go right after whatever body part you mention. Then they knock each other's teeth out and shake hands at the end of the series. This dude is whining that a player made a completely normal baseball play that made life tough for him.

 

[glennhoffmania]

Right. I hope they stop doing it, but only because I don't think it's a good strategy, not for the top of the lineup up anyway.

Well if Davis continues to lead off it may be his best bet for ever reaching base.

It's incredible that CC is bitching about this. There's absolutely nothing about bunting against a fat, immobile pitcher that could be viewed as bad sportsmanship or trying to injure him. That's beyond absurd. I bet that Girardi is pissed too since he whines about everything that doesn't go their way.

 

[luckysox]

This made me love again Jim Rice like I loved him when I was 10 years old.

 

[Curt S Loew]

Well if Davis continues to lead off it may be his best bet for ever reaching base.

It's incredible that CC is bitching about this. There's absolutely nothing about bunting against a fat, immobile pitcher that could be viewed as bad sportsmanship or trying to injure him. That's beyond absurd. I bet that Girardi is pissed too since he whines about everything that doesn't go their way.

I think the bolded is most likely what he is upset about.

 

[PaulinMyrBch]

I love the part in the Rice video where he has to stop himself from talking because he knows he's going to say something he shouldn't. Just shuts his mouth and has that look. Awesome.

 

[EvilEmpire]

Whatever helps motivate the big man is fine with me. He's pitched pretty well against the Sox this year, so I hope he stays mad.

 

[Smiling Joe Hesketh]

Whatever helps motivate the big man is fine with me. He's pitched pretty well against the Sox this year, so I hope he stays mad.

And I guess that's why I find his reaction so puzzling. He's been aces against the Sox this year. Why act all offended? I'd be like "They're bunting because they can't hit me otherwise, so I say let 'em bunt."

 

[EvilEmpire]

And I guess that's why I find his reaction so puzzling. He's been aces against the Sox this year. Why act all offended? I'd be like "They're bunting because they can't hit me otherwise, so I say let 'em bunt."

He's embarrassed being shown up because he's a fatass. I don't think it is any more complicated than that.

 

[Sox and Rocks]

Is this real or is it fake news? It seems like a story from The Onion.

 

[Smiling Joe Hesketh]

That's kind of his problem then, isn't it? Offering to meet Nunuz in CF to "discuss things" is pretty goddamn bitchy if that's the case.

 

[EvilEmpire]

Of course it is. It's all his problem. I'm not saying CC has a point, I'm just fine with him saying/doing whatever helps get him motivated to play.

I love fake drama in sports. This place thrives on it too.

 

[NJ_Sox_Fan]

Wow. He is a pathetic fat man. One would think you'd be embarrassed to publicly complain about something as ridiculous as this ... I guess not though.

 

[bankshot1]

So as the Yankees play the game the right way, Nunez gets drilled tonight, right?

 

[pk1627]

They bunted on the Obese one in his previous game August 19. Note that he waited until after the last time he faced them to complain.

Enjoy retirement CC. Have a donut

 

[PaulinMyrBch]

Wow. He is a pathetic fat man. One would think you'd be embarrassed to publicly complain about something as ridiculous as this ... I guess not though.

He had no choice. After screaming toward the dugout after he got out of the jam it was inevitable. He was getting asked about it. So he goes off during the game while he's emotional and has to explain later, when he's calmed down, that he's mad Nunez bunted. I'm sure he would have rather just been left alone so he could speed eat Krispy Kreme's and enjoy the sugar, but he brought it on himself. Sorry CC, but the press needs to interrupt your donut meditation.

 

[Old Fart Tree]

What a fucking pathetic tool. Field your fucking position, fatass.

 

[Back Bay]

He can eat his cakes too, his rules.

 

[Murderer's Crow]

So as the Yankees play the game the right way, Nunez gets drilled tonight, right?

Yes, but only because our relievers currently aren't sure if you're supposed to throw in the batters box or at the player to get them out.

 

[Sam Ray Not]

Wow. He is a pathetic fat man. One would think you'd be embarrassed to publicly complain about something as ridiculous as this ... I guess not though.

This surprises you? Publicly complaining about ridiculous things is what pathetic fat man does.

Oh wait, this isn't V&N. Carry on...

 

[Curt S Loew]

Yes, but only because our relievers currently aren't sure if you're supposed to throw in the batters box or at the player to get them out.

Well, it's kinda hard to miss them if they're throwing in the batters box, but I guess that's why it's confusing for them.

 

[Murderer's Crow]

Well, it's kinda hard to miss them if they're throwing in the batters box, but I guess that's why it's confusing for them.

#brainfart, but you get my point.

 

[terrynever]

So as the Yankees play the game the right way, Nunez gets drilled tonight, right?

The Yankees really enjoyed Nunez as a teammate but he was often treated like a dunce in the class while in pinstripes. Some of that came from being one of the first SS prospects who could fill in for the aging Jeter. Nunez is a talented athlete but not really an instinctive baseball player. He makes errors, runs into outs on the bases because of his aggressive tendencies. I think CC was just pressing an old familiar button last night by trying to throw Nunez off his game. Did it work? Yes. Will it work again tonight? Who knows? Nuney is very talented and he has matured since leaving the Yankees. It's a bit of fake news, as EE hinted above. Important to fans, not so much to the players.