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Rosenthal: Nathan Eovaldi in agreement with Red Sox

Discussion in 'Red Sox Forum' started by TimScribble, Dec 6, 2018.

  1. rsox34

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    Merry Christmas! Luv this news and luv Eovaldi! Now I can order my Eovaldi Shirt and Jersey!
     
  2. riveraulwick

    riveraulwick Member SoSH Member

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    This is the headline I kept hoping to see each day I checked. Great news.
     
  3. DrewDawg

    DrewDawg Dorito Dink SoSH Member

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    Who could imagine this response when we went out and traded for the guy. Pretty awesome.
     
  4. chrisfont9

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    2019 rotation is obviously loaded to the rafters, but 2020 isn’t bad either: Price, EO, Edro, Wright and next man up.
     
  5. TimScribble

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    Happ is Yankees’ next pitching target. They didn’t want to go past 3 years on Eovaldi, who is a hero in Boston anyway.
     
  6. wade boggs chicken dinner

    wade boggs chicken dinner Member SoSH Member

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  7. canderson

    canderson Fomenting voting confusion and angst since 2016 Gold Supporter SoSH Member

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    I'm shocked Houston didn't give him the farm.

    This is excellent news. Cora says his stuff is among the best he's seen, this backs up that statement.
     
  8. John Marzano Olympic Hero

    John Marzano Olympic Hero has fancy plans, and pants to match Dope

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    If I could *shudder* paraphrase George "SiaS" Steinbrenner for a moment here re: Corbin and Eovaldi:

    "''We understand that the Yankees must be embarrassed, frustrated and disappointed by their failure in these transactions. Unlike the Red Sox (and Nationals), they chose not to go the extra distance for the fans in New York.''

    * This post will in no way to come back to bite me in the ass. I'm positive of it.
     
  9. Jefferson Durand

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    Somewhere on this forum, someone posted some very impressive advanced statistics in which Eovaldi was near the best in the league. If that could be reposted here, it would be most appreciated (I had no luck in my search).
     
  10. JimD

    JimD Member SoSH Member

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    The results of Eovaldi's end of season exam and evaluation are really promising. This deal has some real upside potential for the Sox.
     
  11. chrisfont9

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    Oh and I just saw a Forbes estimate of Sox revenues, which they have at $453m in 2017, a number which has probably gone up. So it’s possible ownership has as few fucks to give as I do about these tax thresholds. They are winning big and making huge bank.
     
  12. mt8thsw9th

    mt8thsw9th anti-SoSHal SoSH Member

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    I can't imagine a scenario in which Eovaldi headed to the Houston pitching rejuvenation machine and ever be considered a reactionary move. That would have been devastating.

    I understand the reporting, but that kind of sounds a bit like sour grapes.
     
  13. scout101

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    Gotta like this one. 4 Prime years at a fair price in today's market; proven he can handle this market and big spots, is a good matchup against the Yankees and Houston, etc. Also covers some gap years if Sale walks, hopefully keeps us from starting too much AAAA filler.
     
  14. PaulinMyrBch

    PaulinMyrBch Don't touch his dog food Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Signing Boston "heroes" never stopped them in the past. But focus on what you want Heyman.
     
  15. E5 Yaz

    E5 Yaz Transcends message boarding Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    I hope this thread isn't one that gets dredged up in two years, when people are clamoring to get rid of that contract
     
  16. sheamonu

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    Great news - look forward to watching him in London. The big question now will be the role in which he will be watched. There has to be at least some consideration to using him as a closer given the quality of work he turned in during October...
     
  17. MakeMineMoxie

    MakeMineMoxie Member SoSH Member

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    Love it Love it Love it!
     
  18. Al Zarilla

    Al Zarilla Member SoSH Member

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    All the more reason you'd want to get him out of there. Nice logic, Heyman.

    Welcome back, my Goombah Eovaldi!
     
  19. curly2

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    If he stays healthy, this should be a great deal. He always threw really hard, but the cutter has made him a different pitcher.

    In my opinion, using him as a closer would be a waste of a guy who can throw his 98th pitch at 98 mph. I think one area the Sox may have to go cheap this year and in the next few years is the bullpen. They may have to hope Brasier is for real and Durbin Feltman is the closer of the (near) future.

    Back to Eovaldi, he was really in the right place at the right time heading into free agency. He should also send his surgeon a very nice Christmas present. :)
     
  20. HurstSoGood

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  21. InstaFace

    InstaFace MDLzera

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    You always heard from him how deeply grateful he was for being given the shot he was given, and the trust he was given, and his admiration for the clubhouse. You kinda always knew DDbucks would be greener to him than Houston's or the MFY's. There's a point beyond which you can't take advantage of that, of course, but it means you can get to yes a lot faster if the numbers are close.
     
  22. joe dokes

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    At most, I think there is roughly a zero percent chance they are considering him as a closer. Maybe less.
     
  23. Lose Remerswaal

    Lose Remerswaal Leaves after the 8th inning Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Its not the tax, its the draft choice and international signing money
     
  24. Rasputin

    Rasputin Will outlive SeanBerry Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Pearce back...check
    Eovaldi back...check
    Bullpen arms here we come.
     
  25. curly2

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    Yes, if there were no penalties that hurt them competitively, I could see Henry OKing a $300 million payroll.
     
  26. Savin Hillbilly

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    This is perfect. It helps both their chances of repeating and their chances of remaining competitive after 2019/2020. Way to go DD.
     
  27. Beomoose

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    Super happy about this.
    Get Kelly's Deal Done?
     
  28. dcmissle

    dcmissle Deflatigator Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    I think the world of Cashman. What’s right for them is not necessarily right for us, and vice versa.

    I expect them to land one of Harper and Machado.
     
  29. Airdrie Redsox

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    Brilliant move.
     
  30. Morgan's Magic Snowplow

    Morgan's Magic Snowplow Well-Known Member Gold Supporter SoSH Member

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    Heart delighted, head skeptical. I think its probably a bad contract in a vacuum but I love that he'll be back next year.

    Pricing risk is hard in all endeavors, but especially in baseball, and Eovaldi has multiple kinds of high risk (accentuated injury risk given the two TJ surgeries, endurance risk given that he has never pitched a lot of innings in a season, performance risk given that you're pricing in a leap forward he made last year and hoping its permanent). While all pitcher commitments are obviously risky, Eovaldi is very risky. But fuck it, sometimes its about being glad to see the players you like stay in the uniform more than anything else.
     
  31. Reggie's Racquet

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    I’m on board but only if DRS does the physical.
     
  32. brandonchristensen

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    This is great. I wasn’t a fan of a $20m+ after what’s happened with Pablo and Hanley, but $17m is very fair.

    Hope he is able to eat some innings. Maybe he found something in the postseason he can use in the regular season.
     
  33. John Marzano Olympic Hero

    John Marzano Olympic Hero has fancy plans, and pants to match Dope

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    Probably. But too bad neither one of them is a starting pitcher.
     
  34. mauidano

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    The Red Sox getting a bargain all over the place!
     
  35. SoxFanInPdx

    SoxFanInPdx Member SoSH Member

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    Love the deal. Now get Robertson or Britton. Hell, both.
     
  36. Tyrone Biggums

    Tyrone Biggums nfl meets tri-annually at a secret country mansion SoSH Member

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    Both would be ideal. Settle for one.

    I’m genuinely curious if Porcello gets moved for prospects. A rotation of Sale Price Eovaldi ERod and Wright is still very good
     
  37. edoug

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    A deal with devil apparently.
     
  38. Red(s)HawksFan

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    At this point, Wright can't be trusted to make 10 starts, let alone 25-30. Absolutely can not enter the season with him as the fifth starter. Trading Porcello is a backward step when everything the team has done so far this winter has been to maintain the status quo of a championship team. I just don't see it.
     
  39. normstalls

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    Reactionary to getting their asses kicked by him is what I was thinking. Real happy with the way it worked out.
     
  40. MikeM

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    I'd honestly guess the surrounding thought process that worst case they could still shift him over to cover the current gap at the end of our bullpen at a little more then that.

    Contrary to some opinions in the offseason thread, I personally don't think a backup plan of paying Eovaldi $17m/per to be your closer is *that* much of an overpay (for us). Especially on a guy you really like and believe can be dominant outside the fairly huge question mark on whether he can actually hold up for 200IP a year.
     
  41. SouthernBoSox

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    He's a really interesting case. I mean the upside... you get a high end #2 in his prime for $17mm/year, which if he hits anywhere near his high end projections, would be absolute steal and really help offset the potential loss of Chris Sale. That's an upside case that I think is achievable if he's healthy. The addition of the cutter - with the strike throwing ability with high 90's and the curveball - is an upper echelon pitch mix. The downside is he get's hurt and never pitches again. What you have to try and figure out is the delta of that risk and the same downside risk with other pitchers. If the delta is small this is a steal. If the delta is enormous than this has considerable risk.

    I think they know much more about the delta than we do, so I'm forced to think this contract makes sense as of today.
     
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  42. dhappy42

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    You might not pay a guy $17mil/year to be your closer, but the fact that he *can be* the closer if necessary or on the back end of this contract is definitely a good thing.
     
  43. chrisfont9

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    You mean for guys with a qualifying offer? Or is there a payroll threshold penalty I don't know about? [Which is entirely possible]
     
  44. joe dokes

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    The news about Wright has been anything but good. Surgery. Made a few starts. Lengthy DL. Made a few appearances. More DL. More surgery. I don't think Wright can even be written in pencil as a contributor right now.
     
  45. NJ_Sox_Fan

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    I am having a super shitty day at work. Like the kind where the police and DEA are involved. This totally make my day. Love the deal.
     
  46. IHateDaveKerpen

    IHateDaveKerpen Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    I hope you’ll go into details about your day in a different sub forum. Woof.

    Hope things continue to turn up for you.
     
  47. Red(s)HawksFan

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    Yes, if they go more than $40M over the luxury tax cap, their first draft pick gets dropped ten slots. May not seem like much but that affects how much bonus money they're allowed to spend on their picks in the top 10 rounds.
     
  48. OCD SS

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    I'm just reiterating a line from the Fangraphs podcast, but sometimes the most effective way to solve a problem is to throw money at it. In effect, spending money has become the new market inefficiency.

    I think the idea that Porcello will get traded is right up there with trading Pedroia. Not because they can't (as in Pedey's case), but because why would they want to weaken the rotation going into a title defense just to squeak under the penalty limit. If they're being truthful that they don't see the downgrading in their draft stock as that much of a penalty given where they'll be picking in the first place, then they should leverage their financial advantage to keep as many pieces in place given the depth this provides.

    With most of the core still under control and relatively cheap, that extra depth contributed a great deal to this year's performance; eventually this will get sucked up in FA deals for the core, but the time to start moving players off the team is when they swing down in the competitive cycle, not while they're at the top (I would argue that doing so would hasten the team towards the down-slope of such a cycle).
     
  49. Pozo the Clown

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    I wholeheartedly agree re: the key piece comment. I view Eo as an important a FA signing for the Sox this year as I did JDM last year.

    Perhaps this is what you're referring to:https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/nathan-eovaldi-is-a-unicorn/

    I concur, sir!
     
  50. chrisfont9

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    Thank you
     

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