Roger G's Wheel of Justice

[MarcSullivaFan]

 
None.  At present, this isn't an NFL problem. He is still ubertalented and will be a first round pick. With the rookie wage scale, he will still get the max he can.
 
If he pulls this shit while an NFL player that may change the calculus.

I disagree to an extent. The guy is super talented and unless he has another major incident, he's going in the first round. That said, I expect that a lot of teams are going to be leery of handing over the franchise to a guy who is a jackass at best, and quite possibly a rapist. It's not just the cost of using a high pick on him (he's a #1 overall pick talent wise), which is less than it used to be, it's also the opportunity cost of building your franchise around a guy who might be a complete train wreck. I see him going in the middle to lower first round. Also, he's going to have a hard time getting major endorsements--at least until he shows he can stay out of trouble at the pro level.

 

[E5 Yaz]

 
You don't think a bitter ex, or someone's estranged current wife, will "release" statements to TMZ about "very good NFL player X" being abusive throughout their marriage trying to hit the talk show circuit and sign the book deal?

 
Just out of curiosity ... just how lucrative do you believe appearances on third-tier talk shows and memoirs that will fill bargain bins to be?
 
The scenario you set up is less than a 24 hour news cycle blip these days. Adrian Peterson is one of the 10 best players in the NFL; his various baby mamas aren't likely to make much from outside sources here. They'll bleed him dry and hope Bravo offers all of them a "Real Housewives of Adrian Peterson" series.

 

[NDame616]

 
Just out of curiosity ... just how lucrative do you believe appearances on third-tier talk shows and memoirs that will fill bargain bins to be?
 
The scenario you set up is less than a 24 hour news cycle blip these days. Adrian Peterson is one of the 10 best players in the NFL; his various baby mamas aren't likely to make much from outside sources here. They'll bleed him dry and hope Bravo offers all of them a "Real Housewives of Adrian Peterson" series.

 
Yes, APs 7 kids mothers (or whatever) wouldn't mean much because.....well, his "family" is so.....widespread. But if you're the mother of an NFL players kid and he's a semi-household name, do you think there won't be ONE who would take a shot? They won't make millions on it, but it may be worth SOMETHING.
 
My very badly written post was more so directing attention to the Pandora's box that we could be opening....

 

[Van Everyman]

Do people really think this? I haven't learned anything I didn't already know.

It was very clear to me that John Harbaugh had no clue about DV when he discussed having "nothing but hope and goodwill for Ray and Janay." And I gather Riverboat Ron demonstrated even less knowledge about it today.

The fact that there were wide swaths of people in positions of power and influence who believed that women could "take responsibility for their role" in domestic abuse indicates to me that DV may be one of the most misunderstood issues of our time. Right up there with mental illness which is finally getting some much deserved attention and focus.

 

[bibajesus]

Yup, here it comes. The floodgates have opened. These women are becoming empowered, and I suspect we'll be hearing more stories in the near future.

Where are the SoSH gold speculators? I'm guessing a lot of Kobe Bryant type hush jewelry is going to be purchased in NFL cities across the country.

 

[Marciano490]

My quote function isn't working but anyone talking about setting a dangerous precedent is setting a dangerous precedent themselves.  The idea that DV claims might now be more freely made and more readily believed is wholly positive.  Think about whether you'd make the same argument regarding procedures meant to enable rape victims to come forward more easily. 

 

[Reverend]

My quote function isn't working but anyone talking about setting a dangerous precedent is setting a dangerous precedent themselves.  The idea that DV claims might now be more freely made and more readily believed is wholly positive.  Think about whether you'd make the same argument regarding procedures meant to enable rape victims to come forward more easily. 

I screwed up where I ended up in here and ended up at the end f the thread.

Now I'm vaguely terrified at the prospect of reading what I skipped over.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

 
this also sets a dangerous precedent, however. Any allegation and you're suspended? You don't think a bitter ex, or someone's estranged current wife, will "release" statements to TMZ about "very good NFL player X" being abusive throughout their marriage trying to hit the talk show circuit and sign the book deal?
 
Maybe I'm too cynical.
 
What happens now after a DUI arrest? Josh Brent killed a guy and I don't see people lining up to make sure he doesn't come back to the NFL. Where is Budweiser coming out with threats about pulling ads after a DUI arrest?

DUI is still acceptable as long as you don't kill someone and no one catches you on tape. Unless of course you're in possession of Pot or have your wife bloodied in the back seat of the car. Or unless MAAD comes out and complains then and only then will drunk drivers from the last 12 months be suspended and kicked out of the league.

Actually, I wouldn't be stunned if a small faction of America just discovered that Michael Vick killed dogs and started a successful movement to get him banned for life.

I think the NFL is finally understanding how powerful the moral majority truly is. I still to this day don't understand how even one poll has Donald Sterling more hated than Aaron Hernandez.

 

[Average Reds]

I think the NFL is finally understanding how powerful the moral majority truly is. I still to this day don't understand how even one poll has Donald Sterling more hated than Aaron Hernandez.

I don't think this is it.

The NFL got caught up in their own manipulative lies and the mob is angry because no one likes to discover that they are being played.

This will eventually pass when the owners realize they have a perceptual problem that won't go away until Goodell does.
 
Edit:  damn autocorrect ...

 

[OCST]

CBS morning news with a puff piece on NFL officials, how hard their job is, how great they are, etc. There are even two female refs on the way up! And the reg bosses meet every week at NFL HQ, WITH a very concerned RG in attendance, to review video of controversial calls and grade the ref crews.

GJGE CBS on this hard hitting piece of investigative journalism. With your laser like focus on uncovering the truth I have no idea how those laggards at TMZ beat you to the Rice tape. I 'm sure you're digging diligently to find out what's going on right now with RG and the owners.

Puke.

 

[riboflav]

CBS morning news with a puff piece on NFL officials, how hard their job is, how great they are, etc. There are even two female refs on the way up! And the reg bosses meet every week at NFL HQ, WITH a very concerned RG in attendance, to review video of controversial calls and grade the ref crews.

GJGE CBS on this hard hitting piece of investigative journalism. With your laser like focus on uncovering the truth I have no idea how those laggards at TMZ beat you to the Rice tape. I 'm sure you're digging diligently to find out what's going on right now with RG and the owners.

Puke.

 
Charlie Rose just rolled over in his grave.

 

[Trlicek's Whip]

 
this also sets a dangerous precedent, however. Any allegation and you're suspended? You don't think a bitter ex, or someone's estranged current wife, will "release" statements to TMZ about "very good NFL player X" being abusive throughout their marriage trying to hit the talk show circuit and sign the book deal?
 
Maybe I'm too cynical.
 
What happens now after a DUI arrest? Josh Brent killed a guy and I don't see people lining up to make sure he doesn't come back to the NFL. Where is Budweiser coming out with threats about pulling ads after a DUI arrest?

 
Ah, the "'I'm not saying it's going to lead to a witch hunt, but "witch hunt'" canard.
 
This is more subtle than most "but what about the men?" tone policing, but it's still tone policing. 

 

[Ralphwiggum]

 
this also sets a dangerous precedent, however. Any allegation and you're suspended? You don't think a bitter ex, or someone's estranged current wife, will "release" statements to TMZ about "very good NFL player X" being abusive throughout their marriage trying to hit the talk show circuit and sign the book deal?
 
Maybe I'm too cynical.
 
What happens now after a DUI arrest? Josh Brent killed a guy and I don't see people lining up to make sure he doesn't come back to the NFL. Where is Budweiser coming out with threats about pulling ads after a DUI arrest?

 
Who said a suspension would follow "any allegation"?  So far the guys who have been caught up in this new NFL world order have been arrested and face charges for something related to domestic violence.  Obviously the police do sometimes get it wrong, but the threshold is a bit higher than just suspending anyone in the wake of an allegation on Twitter or TMZ or whatever.

 

[cornwalls@6]

       Despite their atrocious handling of all this over the last several weeks, and the fact that Goodell has fully confirmed how unfit he is for his job,   I think the league may have finally stumbled onto the makings of a fair, not perfect, but fair policy going forward:  Immediate suspension, with pay, for any player arrested for, or charged with, any violent felony. Ultimate punishment and/or re-instatement pending adjudication of legal proceedings. Individual clubs remain, of course, free to cut ties with any player they choose.
 
        Owners will no doubt blanche at the notion of paying players for no services rendered, but maybe that will inspire more thorough vetting of these guys before they are drafted/signed, and more pro-active prevention initiatives for players already on their rosters. NFLPA will no doubt balk at players sitting out in their prime of what is typically a very short career, but a paid leave of absence is lot better deal than they would get from many other industries, for similar situations.  There is no policy that will satisfy all parties and cover all contingencies, but they shouldn't let perfect be the enemy of better here.           

 

[IdiotKicker]

       Despite their atrocious handling of all this over the last several weeks, and the fact that Goodell has fully confirmed how unfit he is for his job,   I think the league may have finally stumbled onto the makings of a fair, not perfect, but fair policy going forward:  Immediate suspension, with pay, for any player arrested for, or charged with, any violent felony. Ultimate punishment and/or re-instatement pending adjudication of legal proceedings. Individual clubs remain, of course, free to cut ties with any player they choose.

 
This is exactly what I recommended in the other thread we have going.  I think it makes the most sense and creates the proper incentives that typically exist in other workplaces.

 

[Fred in Lynn]

 
Who said a suspension would follow "any allegation"?  So far the guys who have been caught up in this new NFL world order have been arrested and face charges for something related to domestic violence.  Obviously the police do sometimes get it wrong, but the threshold is a bit higher than just suspending anyone in the wake of an allegation on Twitter or TMZ or whatever.

Innocent unless accused? Sort of an arbitrary line you're drawing. Probably safer to stick to the idea that the NFL isn't a court of law and can make up its own standards for discipline (within a context negotiated with the Union).

 

[Fred in Lynn]

 
This is exactly what I recommended in the other thread we have going.  I think it makes the most sense and creates the proper incentives that typically exist in other workplaces.

Nah, that will not fly in the long term. It's the NFL's version of suspending habeas corpus in a time of emergency. They'll have to develop a more practical standard. The Union might be going along now, but they're not going to acquiesce to this degree without something in return. The Union is going to have a lot to say about this in time that will curb back what you two are suggesting.

 

[IdiotKicker]

Nah, that will not fly in the long term. It's the NFL's version of suspending habeas corpus in a time of emergency. They'll have to develop a more practical standard. The Union might be going along now, but they're not going to acquiesce to this degree without something in return. The Union is going to have a lot to say about this in time that will curb back what you two are suggesting.

 
Why?  Being suspended with pay during ongoing investigations is standard procedures in a number of different fields.  Why should NFL players be treated differently?  I get that the NFLPA may fight this and I get that owners may fight this.  But that doesn't mean it isn't the right thing to do.

 

[JayMags71]

Stephen A. Smith calling these women liars in 3....2....1

Come the fuck on. SAS made a big screw up, but he's not *that* stupid.

 

[glennhoffmania]

 
Why?  Being suspended with pay during ongoing investigations is standard procedures in a number of different fields.  Why should NFL players be treated differently?  I get that the NFLPA may fight this and I get that owners may fight this.  But that doesn't mean it isn't the right thing to do.

 
The problem is the one cornwalls mentioned earlier.  If we're talking about suspending an accountant with pay for a month, no big deal.  But when your career may only be 3 or 4 years and you lose a huge chunk of it, even with pay, it's obviously very different.  Yeah the money is important, but so is the ability to be on the field.  It could impact bonuses, future earnings, legacy, and other things that I'm sure I'm missing.
 
I don't know what the right answer is, but while I have no sympathy for the guys who actually commit crimes and get punished, the idea that someone who's accused but really innocent has their career fucked up because of a policy like this is a terrible outcome.  And maybe it's better to err on the side of the player to avoid that from ever happening- kind of like the better to let 10 guilty men go free than to put one innocent man in jail concept.

 

[Grin&MartyBarret]

My quote function isn't working but anyone talking about setting a dangerous precedent is setting a dangerous precedent themselves.  The idea that DV claims might now be more freely made and more readily believed is wholly positive.  Think about whether you'd make the same argument regarding procedures meant to enable rape victims to come forward more easily. 

I believe, not too long ago, there was a thread discussing rape where that basic argument was actually made.

 

[Old Fart Tree]

Sure, right now we have a classic Type I vs. Type II error problem, as you always will in determining guilt. I think there are probably a sea of Type II errors out there from underreporting. Empowering women will ease that problem while potentially increasing the number of Type I errors, but we're so far to the right on that spectrum that the reductions in Type II errors will (for the time being) VASTLY outweigh the incremental increases in Type I errors.

 

[DJnVa]

More on Dwyer: http://deadspin.com/cops-jonathan-dwyer-broke-wifes-bone-assaulted-1-year-1636289948

 
In fact, Crump said, Dwyer's wife suffered a broken bone in the incident and investigators now believe that Dwyer was hiding in the bathroom when police responded.
 

Dwyer and the woman got into another argument a day later, on July 22, and police believe he took the woman's cellphone and threw it from the second floor of their home, Crump said.
Police believe that Dwyer, during the second incident, also took a shoe and threw it toward their 1-year-old child.
Investigators said Dwyer threatened to harm himself on the night the incident occurred in an attempt to keep the woman from contacting police, Crump said.

 


 

 

[HomeRunBaker]

How has Alfonzo Dennard managed to stay out of the headlines this week?

 

[Ralphwiggum]

Innocent unless accused? Sort of an arbitrary line you're drawing. Probably safer to stick to the idea that the NFL isn't a court of law and can make up its own standards for discipline (within a context negotiated with the Union).

 
The poster suggested that a dangerous precedent was being set in that "any allegation" of domestic abuse would result in a suspension, which might lead to more false accusations, or attempts at extortion, or what have you.  In response I merely pointed out that nobody is suggesting that players should be suspended because someone contacts TMZ and says that they were abused by an NFL player.  In every example we are discussing, the matter has at least resulted in an arrest and charges being brought.  In our criminal justice system that is not enough to send someone to jail, but there would be nothing wrong with the NFL deciding that that is the point at which guys get suspended.
 
I do agree that a suspension with pay until the case is adjudicated is not practical because these things take too long.  But getting a guy off the field for at least a certain number of games makes sense to me.  You seem not to get that from the NFL's standpoint this is not about punishing criminals who have been found guilty in a court of law.  It is about the fact that right now some sponsors and many fans don't want to be associated with a league that would allow Jonathan Dwyer or Adrian Peterson to run around on a football field on Sunday.  As was shown with the Vikings and Adrian Peterson, hiding behind "due process" in many of these cases just isn't going to fly with fans and sponsors anymore.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

More on Dwyer: http://deadspin.com/cops-jonathan-dwyer-broke-wifes-bone-assaulted-1-year-1636289948

 

If this is true it's 20 times worse than anything AP ever did. It's sad that people will still lump AP into the same category as Dwyer in regards to abuse.

 

[mauf]

 
The poster suggested that a dangerous precedent was being set in that "any allegation" of domestic abuse would result in a suspension, which might lead to more false accusations, or attempts at extortion, or what have you.  In response I merely pointed out that nobody is suggesting that players should be suspended because someone contacts TMZ and says that they were abused by an NFL player.  In every example we are discussing, the matter has at least resulted in an arrest and charges being brought.  In our criminal justice system that is not enough to send someone to jail, but there would be nothing wrong with the NFL deciding that that is the point at which guys get suspended.
 
I do agree that a suspension with pay until the case is adjudicated is not practical because these things take too long.  But getting a guy off the field for at least a certain number of games makes sense to me.  You seem not to get that from the NFL's standpoint this is not about punishing criminals who have been found guilty in a court of law.  It is about the fact that right now some sponsors and many fans don't want to be associated with a league that would allow Jonathan Dwyer or Adrian Peterson to run around on a football field on Sunday.  As was shown with the Vikings and Adrian Peterson, hiding behind "due process" in many of these cases just isn't going to fly with fans and sponsors anymore.

I didn't think Ray McDonald had been charged yet.

 

[JimBoSox9]

How has Alfonzo Dennard managed to stay out of the headlines this week?

 
He stayed the ever-loving fuck out of Nebraska, that's how

 

[wade boggs chicken dinner]

 
Getting a guy off the field for at least a certain number of games makes sense to me.  You seem not to get that from the NFL's standpoint this is not about punishing criminals who have been found guilty in a court of law.  It is about the fact that right now some sponsors and many fans don't want to be associated with a league that would allow Jonathan Dwyer or Adrian Peterson to run around on a football field on Sunday.  As was shown with the Vikings and Adrian Peterson, hiding behind "due process" in many of these cases just isn't going to fly with fans and sponsors anymore.

 
Are you talking about a paid suspension for any player charged with a DV crime or just a felony?  Felony is probably more fair, but at any rate, it's still going to exclude those charged with misdemeanors just because of a state's peculiar way of classifying crimes. 
 
And then what do you do with Ray Rice, who was indicted as a felony but charges were basically dismissed when he went into pre-trial diversion?
 
Also, the Rice and AP cases are easy because of the videos and the bruises.  It will be interesting to see what happens when a woman comes forth alleging violence and doesn't have the same amount of evidence.
 
Finally, just to keep track on how many players this is going to implicate, Daryl Washington, the AX LB, plead guilty to assaulting his partner last year and received no discipline.  I can't easily find whether he plead to felony or misdemeanor assault charges (if he had a competent attorney, I suspect it would be the latter); under AZ law, an assault could be either.

 

[Marciano490]

If this is true it's 20 times worse than anything AP ever did. It's sad that people will still lump AP into the same category as Dwyer in regards to abuse.

 
Honestly, who throws a shoe?
 
As much as this is an NFL forum and we're discussing NFL players, the cops should be taken to task here, too.  A woman opens a door with a broken, bloody nose and says the argument was over the phone, and the police don't follow up or look around? 

 

[DJnVa]

So, Dwyer head butted her when she spurned his advances then punched her in face the next day.

--per ESPN Radio

 

[Tartan]

If this is true it's 20 times worse than anything AP ever did. It's sad that people will still lump AP into the same category as Dwyer in regards to abuse.

Fuck 'em both? Dwyer's deed is worse in both the injuries caused and the malice behind the act, but I'm in no hurry to downplay a 217 pound man beating a four year old bloody with a stick because he felt he was doing the right thing. Plenty of people have come forward supporting Peterson, or at least trying to frame his actions as being "what he knew" or some such. I doubt anyone will publicly do the same for Dwyer.
 
I mean for christ's sake we're talking about abuse. Dwyer merits a harsher penalty, but that they both fall into any category of abuser means, as far as I care, fuck 'em both.

 

[brandonchristensen]

 
Wow.  Have we ever seen a whirlwind like this before?

It's like celebrity deaths but with punching people smaller than you

 

[DennyDoyle'sBoil]

Fuck 'em both? 

 
Yeah, I read this morning that Peterson's child had defensive wounds on his hands.  Perhaps there are pictures, but I'm not interested in seeing them.  Just reading it is tough enough.  Or maybe it's sensationalism, I dunno.  It's sickening to me.
 
The fact that there are others who play in the same league that have done worse stuff doesn't really move the needle for me on Peterson at all.  If the punishment Peterson is receiving is perceived to be overly harsh in an other-players relative sense, I guess my response is that when you feloniously beat a defenseless child, you bought your ticket and you have to go wherever the train takes you.

 

[JayMags71]

If this is true it's 20 times worse than anything AP ever did. It's sad that people will still lump AP into the same category as Dwyer in regards to abuse.

I think you're letting recency bias get the best of you. I would venture to say most people think these guys are equally deplorable.

 

[TomRicardo]

 
Agreed.. not saying Sheriff Joe's volunteer posse wouldn't accept Dwyer into their ranks after found guilty, but having talked to a few people who served their time in tent city, it sounded pretty much like hades.

Ummm no Sheriff Joe is the toughest sheriff in America unless you committed a crime against a woman whether it be sexual assault or domestic abuse.  Shit one of his detectives decided to let a rape case go because there wasn't enough semen in a 13 YO disabled girl.  

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

I think you're letting recency bias get the best of you. I would venture to say most people think these guys are equally deplorable.

How so? One person was punishing his child and went very very overboard and the other not only beat the crap out of his wife but threw a shoe at his child. Intent is what you have to look at here.

What is unfortunate is that you're right about one thing. People will lump him in with AP. Regardless of intent or facts he will be looked at as just as bad. That's an absolute shame.

 

[soxfan121]

 It is about the fact that right now some sponsors and many fans don't want to be associated with a league that would allow Jonathan Dwyer or Adrian Peterson to run around on a football field on Sunday. 

 
Which is hilarious (in the sad way) when you consider that Jim Irsay (owner of the Colts), Jimmy Haslem (owner of the Browns) and Zygi Wilf (owner of the Vikings) have all been either convicted or investigated for crimes in the past six months. Not to mention sterling human beings Dan Snyder, Jerry Jones and the York Family.
 
Whom, exactly, did these sponsors - like Anheuser Busch, unofficial sponsor of domestic abuse in America - think they were doing business with anyway?
 

It's like celebrity deaths but with punching people smaller than you

 
This is funny-hilarious. Well done.

 

[Ralphwiggum]

 
Are you talking about a paid suspension for any player charged with a DV crime or just a felony?  Felony is probably more fair, but at any rate, it's still going to exclude those charged with misdemeanors just because of a state's peculiar way of classifying crimes. 
 
And then what do you do with Ray Rice, who was indicted as a felony but charges were basically dismissed when he went into pre-trial diversion?
 
Also, the Rice and AP cases are easy because of the videos and the bruises.  It will be interesting to see what happens when a woman comes forth alleging violence and doesn't have the same amount of evidence.
 
Finally, just to keep track on how many players this is going to implicate, Daryl Washington, the AX LB, plead guilty to assaulting his partner last year and received no discipline.  I can't easily find whether he plead to felony or misdemeanor assault charges (if he had a competent attorney, I suspect it would be the latter); under AZ law, an assault could be either.

 
I hear you on the difficulty of crafting a rule that fits all of these circumstances.  I don't know what the answer should be.  I just think that, just because the answer is hard doesn't mean the right answer is for the NFL to throw up its hands and say they aren't going to do anything until a player is found guilty in a court of law (or pleads guilty).

 

[DennyDoyle'sBoil]

How so? One person was punishing his child and went very very overboard and the other not only beat the crap out of his wife but threw a shoe at his child. Intent is what you have to look at here.

What is unfortunate is that you're right about one thing. People will lump him in with AP. Regardless of intent or facts he will be looked at as just as bad. That's an absolute shame.

 
I sort of think part of that is up to AP.  I think he has some opportunities here that Dwyer doesn't.  Perhaps the punishment is too severe for Peterson to consider a plea, but if he does, and he comes out of the gate very strong on trying to make amends, I really think he could (a) be rehabilitated in a way that will be harder for Dwyer and Rice, and (b) do some real good.  So long as the charges are pending, he has to be quiet, and let Hardin say stuff that is not necessarily helpful.  But once the case is over, he has an opportunity to talk about how much he's learned, how it's easy to get caught in a cycle and justify stuff to yourself when you've never been presented with good alternatives, and, most importantly, speak directly to others who may be in that same circumstance about genuinely what he's learned.  If he does it, and is genuine, he has some real opportunities that I think guys like Dwyer don't.  And best of all, maybe some children will be better for it.  Dwyer and Rice too are redeemable, but it's much harder.

 

[wade boggs chicken dinner]

 
I hear you on the difficulty of crafting a rule that fits all of these circumstances.  I don't know what the answer should be.  I just think that, just because the answer is hard doesn't mean the right answer is for the NFL to throw up its hands and say they aren't going to do anything until a player is found guilty in a court of law (or pleads guilty).

 
RG must be pullling what's left of his hair out because that's exactly what all of the other leagues do.  I mean does anyone care that Hope Solo is playing for the women's national team while awaiting outcome of her DV charges (admittedly misdemeanors not felonies but the point stands).
 
Of course but for an "unseen" video, I think it's likely I'd still be starting AP on my fantasy football team this week.

 

[HomeRunBaker]

Yes both acts are equally deplorable. What is the charge involving the child however? All I've seen is he threw a shoe "toward" the child which doesn't necessarily mean at it could have meant the wife saw a shoe fly toward the same side of the room as the child. Obviously it's hard to give Dwyer, a man who head butted and hit his wife, the benefit of any doubt, i just want to know if I missed part of this story. It doesn't appear there was any physical harm done to the child.

 

[DJnVa]

He threw a shoe at the kid and hit in the stomach. Allegedly.
 
It's assault. Deadspin has the police report.
 
http://deadspin.com/cops-jonathan-dwyer-broke-wifes-bone-assaulted-1-year-1636289948

 

[AimingForYoko]

He threw a shoe at the kid and hit in the stomach. Allegedly.
 
It's assault. Deadspin has the police report.
 
http://deadspin.com/cops-jonathan-dwyer-broke-wifes-bone-assaulted-1-year-1636289948

 
Threatening suicide is a classic abuser's mindfuck tactic. Jesus Christ, dude. 

 

[coremiller]

 
RG must be pullling what's left of his hair out because that's exactly what all of the other leagues do.  I mean does anyone care that Hope Solo is playing for the women's national team while awaiting outcome of her DV charges (admittedly misdemeanors not felonies but the point stands).
 

 
Goodell has nobody but himself to blame for this mess, since he both created the personal conduct policy and set precedents by suspending Roethlisberger after the DA declined to press charges and then suspending Terrelle Pryor when Pryor merely violated NCAA rules but didn't actually do anything illegal.  

 

[E5 Yaz]

 
Threatening suicide is a classic abuser's mindfuck tactic. Jesus Christ, dude. 

 
hey, it worked for Jovan Belcher

 

[NatetheGreat]

That Dwyer report makes him sound genuinely insane. Ray Rice came across as basically a dishonest and self-serving criminal, and Peterson as simply clueless, but Dwyer seems like the sort of person who isn't only a danger to his family, but also to himself. If the report is true (and it sounds like he admitted most of it) not only shouldn't he be playing, he should really be in some kind of facility equipped to deal with serious mental problems.

 

[HomeRunBaker]

That Dwyer report makes him sound genuinely insane. Ray Rice came across as basically a dishonest and self-serving criminal, and Peterson as simply clueless, but Dwyer seems like the sort of person who isn't only a danger to his family, but also to himself. If the report is true (and it sounds like he admitted most of it) not only shouldn't he be playing, he should really be in some kind of facility equipped to deal with serious mental problems.

An NFL training room? I kid.

Ok I half kid.

 

[mauf]

I think you're letting recency bias get the best of you. I would venture to say most people think these guys are equally deplorable.

I have yet to hear this opinion that "most people" hold anywhere except the Internet. People I've spoken to in person think the AP thing is entirely different from the DV cases.

 

[OCST]

 
RG must be pullling what's left of his hair out because that's exactly what all of the other leagues do.

RG is reaping what he sowed. No one told him to get all pious and holier-than-thou in making a big deal about policing player morality and "protecting the shield." No other commissioner is so self-important.

You want to clean up Mayberry, Rog? Want to be judge, jury, and executioner? Have at it. We're waiting.

Unfortunately, he's as clueless , arrogant, and tone-deaf as he is pious, and now he's in waaaay over his head.

Fucking stooge.