Red Sox & Pablo Sandoval agree to 5 Year, $100 Millionish Deal

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Alex Pavlovic is the best Giants beat writer now. Baggarly has taken over the role of "Team Mouthpiece" ever since he moved to CSN Bay Area.
 
Anyway, Killion is a hack and that piece was garbage.
 

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If Sandoval is gone, good luck with Hanley Ramirez. Not exactly Hunter Pence or Gregor Blanco.
 
 
Its time for my favorite lawyer question: "what do you mean"?  The perfect question to ask when: a) you know the answer (WHEN HE PISSED ON THE GAME'S GREAT HEROES BY DOGGING A PLAY FIVE YEARS AGO); and b)your only intention is to make a fool of the speaker by forcing them to say, "I WAS TALKING ABOUT THAT PLAY HE DOGGED FIVE YEARS AGO."
 
OTOH- I can be stupid, too. Gregor Blanco went 13-84 in the just concluded post season, and nearly handed WS Game 7 to KC.
 

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Lars The Wanderer said:
Alex Pavlovic is the best Giants beat writer now. Baggarly has taken over the role of "Team Mouthpiece" ever since he moved to CSN Bay Area.
 
Anyway, Killion is a hack and that piece was garbage.
OK, Pavlovic best beat writer about the Giants. I'm not even familiar with his work. Baggs is really spot on though when I hear him speak about the Giants compared with the other people that try.
 

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Is this Cespedes' body?
 
https://twitter.com/RedSox/status/537297724563922944
Wow. I think it is. That is is Cespedes' turtleneck. 
 
Corsi said:
It's begun.  The Dentist has his claws in this one.
 
 
 
You know, this stuff used to bother me so much. I would say, who cares about all this BS, I want a group of guys that can win, care about baseball and play hard. That stuff is for the "pink hats" and the people who don't care about baseball.
 
I still want the latter, but now that I have a  son who is almost two, who just happens to be currently obsessed with Pandas I am excited about this aspect too. This game isn't just for grown men. We were kids once too.
 
Not to mention that from a business perspective, getting as many young fans hooked on the Red Sox that they can means this franchise will always have the money to get players who can win, who care about the game and play hard.
 
EDIT: As I was typing this he came over and yelled "Panda!" with a big smile on his face, then said "Boston!" Yeah, this is going to be awesome in this house.
 

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Press Conference on YouTube:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3r7cZ6r0-lI
Pablo handled that really well, and he has worked on his English a lot. One thing that was a bit comical to me was when the second guy brought up his weight, the Duncan Donuts ads seemed to stand out more. 
 

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If Sandoval is gone, good luck with Hanley Ramirez. Not exactly Hunter Pence or Gregor Blanco.
Yeah, this statement is completely ridiculous. As if the Red Sox don't have any "character" guys. I think the influence of one player over another player is overblown, but if you make this statement you are ignoring that the Red Sox have the poster child of character guys in Dustin Pedroia. Not to mention Victorino who has been lauded as a clubhouse guy in the past. Napoli is probably on this list too, and by all accounts Xander is going to be. (Please god, don't let Ben trade him.)
 

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FenwayFrenzy said:
He handled it well - looks like they prepped him on how to address it.
 
That said, it will get tiresome if he keeps getting asked about it.
You do realize that Sandoval has been asked, continually, about his weight and the status of his weight and conditioning program in almost every season he's been a big leaguer? There are fall stories about what he's planning to do in the off-season to lose weight, there are winter updates about what progress he's made, there are spring stories on how he looked when he showed up in Arizona and there are in-season stories on how he's gained weight and what the Giants are asking him to do about it. San Francisco isn't a vicious media town, but they actually do their jobs. For f's sake, people. 
 

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I'm going to trust the front office here and believe that they want to avoid another Carl Crawford situation just as much as all of us do, and that they are doing their due diligence to try and identify guys who will be a good fit in Boston even more than they did in the past.
 

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So, then in year 6 if they pick up the option it's $12m for 2020?
I don't think the previous answers to this were correct. My understanding is that the option would count the full $17 million against the 2020 cap, but the Red Sox luxury tax number would be retroactively decreased by $1 million per year from 2015 to 2019, and any associated luxury tax payments on that $1 million would be rebated.
 

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Its time for my favorite lawyer question: "what do you mean"?  The perfect question to ask when: a) you know the answer (WHEN HE PISSED ON THE GAME'S GREAT HEROES BY DOGGING A PLAY FIVE YEARS AGO); and b)your only intention is to make a fool of the speaker by forcing them to say, "I WAS TALKING ABOUT THAT PLAY HE DOGGED FIVE YEARS AGO."
 
OTOH- I can be stupid, too. Gregor Blanco went 13-84 in the just concluded post season, and nearly handed WS Game 7 to KC.
In his defense, Gregor Blanco is supposedly one of the absolute best guys in the Giants clubhouse. He constantly tries to help players and build them up. Actually, he was one of the people who talked to Juan Perez after he found out mid-game about Oscar Taverez's death, got Perez to focus back on the game. So, I think she was trying to say Hanley Ramirez specifically isn't as great a clubhouse guy as two of the best clubhouse guys on the Giants roster... it's a stupid point because he's not playing on a team with only Hanley Ramirez, and it seems Pablo and Hanley are buddies. But I think her point was that the Giants have an unusual team-first chemistry that's difficult to recreate. 
 
The Giants do have great beat writers. I think the main three (Schulman, Baggs and Pavlovic) do good work in their own ways. 
 
Pablo is lying about the DH, I think.
 
I had a different take on the press conference: he looked nervous and uncomfortable. I am curious how this will all play out. Hopefully, for Pablo's sake, you will love him and roll with the stretches where he looks like the most putrid player to ever be given a major league roster spot. But he will look putrid, sometimes for long stretches. And then you will harp on his weight and his conditioning and how wise it is that his brother is his trainer and chef when he historically gains weight when he's eating home cooking. 
 
The Red Sox aren't really doing the panda thing correctly yet. That panda headed thing does, indeed, look like a rabid Siamese cat. He's Kung-Fu Panda, a cartoon, not a zoo panda. 
 

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In his defense, Gregor Blanco is supposedly one of the absolute best guys in the Giants clubhouse. He constantly tries to help players and build them up. Actually, he was one of the people who talked to Juan Perez after he found out mid-game about Oscar Taverez's death, got Perez to focus back on the game. So, I think she was trying to say Hanley Ramirez specifically isn't as great a clubhouse guy as two of the best clubhouse guys on the Giants roster... it's a stupid point because he's not playing on a team with only Hanley Ramirez, and it seems Pablo and Hanley are buddies. But I think her point was that the Giants have an unusual team-first chemistry that's difficult to recreate. 
 
The Giants do have great beat writers. I think the main three (Schulman, Baggs and Pavlovic) do good work in their own ways. 
 
Pablo is lying about the DH, I think.
 
I had a different take on the press conference: he looked nervous and uncomfortable. I am curious how this will all play out. Hopefully, for Pablo's sake, you will love him and roll with the stretches where he looks like the most putrid player to ever be given a major league roster spot. But he will look putrid, sometimes for long stretches. And then you will harp on his weight and his conditioning and how wise it is that his brother is his trainer and chef when he historically gains weight when he's eating home cooking. 
 
The Red Sox aren't really doing the panda thing correctly yet. That panda headed thing does, indeed, look like a rabid Siamese cat. He's Kung-Fu Panda, a cartoon, not a zoo panda.
What part of that seemed nervous and uncomfortable?
 

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"I’m going to sit down with the strength and conditioning staff, with the training and figure out the best situation," he said. "The organization will choose the program I have if they make an adjustment they’re going to do it because the organization does those things. So we’ll sit down with training staff and talk about that."

Sandoval reported to spring training last season having noticeably shed some weight. He's currently listed at 5-foot-11, 245 pounds, but reports are that he's gained most of that weight back.
http://www.masslive.com/redsox/index.ssf/2014/11/pablo_sandoval_to_work_with_re.html

Good to hear I guess
 

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gaelgirl said:
In his defense, Gregor Blanco is supposedly one of the absolute best guys in the Giants clubhouse. He constantly tries to help players and build them up. Actually, he was one of the people who talked to Juan Perez after he found out mid-game about Oscar Taverez's death, got Perez to focus back on the game. So, I think she was trying to say Hanley Ramirez specifically isn't as great a clubhouse guy as two of the best clubhouse guys on the Giants roster... it's a stupid point because he's not playing on a team with only Hanley Ramirez, and it seems Pablo and Hanley are buddies. But I think her point was that the Giants have an unusual team-first chemistry that's difficult to recreate. 
 
 
As you say, she only mentioned Ramirez, who hasnt set foot in the clubhosue yet.  No mention of Ortiz who might be the most popular player in MLB among other players.  No mention of Victorino, who, from afar anyway, seems to be all that Pence is, clubhouse-wise.
 
If Blanco is the best clubhouse guy on earth, then by definition, no one is his equal. But she singled out Ramirez. I think it was obvious what she was talking about.  She was snidely saying that Ramirez is a dog.
 

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In his defense, Gregor Blanco is supposedly one of the absolute best guys in the Giants clubhouse. He constantly tries to help players and build them up. Actually, he was one of the people who talked to Juan Perez after he found out mid-game about Oscar Taverez's death, got Perez to focus back on the game. So, I think she was trying to say Hanley Ramirez specifically isn't as great a clubhouse guy as two of the best clubhouse guys on the Giants roster... it's a stupid point because he's not playing on a team with only Hanley Ramirez, and it seems Pablo and Hanley are buddies. But I think her point was that the Giants have an unusual team-first chemistry that's difficult to recreate. 
 
The Giants do have great beat writers. I think the main three (Schulman, Baggs and Pavlovic) do good work in their own ways. 
 
Pablo is lying about the DH, I think.
 
I had a different take on the press conference: he looked nervous and uncomfortable. I am curious how this will all play out. Hopefully, for Pablo's sake, you will love him and roll with the stretches where he looks like the most putrid player to ever be given a major league roster spot. But he will look putrid, sometimes for long stretches. And then you will harp on his weight and his conditioning and how wise it is that his brother is his trainer and chef when he historically gains weight when he's eating home cooking. 
 
The Red Sox aren't really doing the panda thing correctly yet. That panda headed thing does, indeed, look like a rabid Siamese cat. He's Kung-Fu Panda, a cartoon, not a zoo panda. 
I think we are officially in the overthinking stage here. He'll play well and be fine, or he'll struggle and face criticism formed to that failure like everyone does
 

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So he weighed 245 after shedding weight before the season began? Or is he was under 245 during the season and gained the weight back to be at 245? I wonder what weight he played at this season. He looked bigger than 245 in the playoffs, but who knows?


I wonder how big Panda gets when the DH slot is open and he really lets himself go. The Sox might need to convince Ortiz to extend his career a few years just to put that off for as long as possible.
 

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But she singled out Ramirez. I think it was obvious what she was talking about.  She was snidely saying that Ramirez is a dog.
 
This is a Giants writer talking about a recent ex-Dodger. It would be like Detroiters reading the comments of a Sox beat writer when Joba Chamberlain arrived in Detroit. 
 

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That's an expensive gold glove.
 
eh he plays in the same league as manny machado and adrian beltre. probably not gonna have to worry about paying that
 

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So he weighed 245 after shedding weight before the season began? Or is he was under 245 during the season and gained the weight back to be at 245? I wonder what weight he played at this season. He looked bigger than 245 in the playoffs, but who knows?


I wonder how big Panda gets when the DH slot is open and he really lets himself go. The Sox might need to convince Ortiz to extend his career a few years just to put that off for as long as possible.
Hanley makes more sense as the future DH. Much better bat, moving from less premium position and could help keep him healthy down the line.
 

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Wow. I think it is. That is is Cespedes' turtleneck. 
 
 
 
You know, this stuff used to bother me so much. I would say, who cares about all this BS, I want a group of guys that can win, care about baseball and play hard. That stuff is for the "pink hats" and the people who don't care about baseball.
 
I still want the latter, but now that I have a  son who is almost two, who just happens to be currently obsessed with Pandas I am excited about this aspect too. This game isn't just for grown men. We were kids once too.
 
Not to mention that from a business perspective, getting as many young fans hooked on the Red Sox that they can means this franchise will always have the money to get players who can win, who care about the game and play hard.
 
EDIT: As I was typing this he came over and yelled "Panda!" with a big smile on his face, then said "Boston!" Yeah, this is going to be awesome in this house.
 
I'm right there with you.  I mentioned to my 3-year-old that the Red Sox were trying to sign Sandoval to play 3B, and that he is also called "Kung-Fu Panda", and my son's face lit up like it was Christmas.  This is a big signing for my household, where he previously just wanted to know when Pedroia or Big Papi were coming up.  
 

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Maybe the Gold Glove award is a way of incentivizing physical fitness without explicitly suggesting a weight clause. 
 

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I'm right there with you.  I mentioned to my 3-year-old that the Red Sox were trying to sign Sandoval to play 3B, and that he is also called "Kung-Fu Panda", and my son's face lit up like it was Christmas.  This is a big signing for my household, where he previously just wanted to know when Pedroia or Big Papi were coming up.  
Imagine his disappointment when a cartoon panda doesn't step up to bat.
 

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I'm going to trust the front office here and believe that they want to avoid another Carl Crawford situation just as much as all of us do, and that they are doing their due diligence to try and identify guys who will be a good fit in Boston even more than they did in the past.
 
I think that the analysis that some of our better statheads did, showed Crawford wasn't a good match for Fenway offensively or defensively.   That bad match made it harder for him to be successful in Boston.  Had he OPS'd 770 he'd probably still be here.  I feel better about signing chubby after seeing the Fangraphs article that was linked earlier.
 

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She used to be pretty good when she wrote for the San Jose Mercury News; stood out mostly on 49er reporting, as I recall. Nowadays though, Andrew Baggarly is by far the best reporter about the Giants. How many people still buy newspapers? Pablo may have gotten off to that bad start this year partially due to contract year nerves, like she says, but how about his goddam stellar post season hitting in 12 and 14. No pressure there? Ann, your grapes are sour. 
 
Sour grapes make the best whine...
 

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What part of that seemed nervous and uncomfortable?
To me, he always seemed to be forcing a big grin when interviewed after a game by Amy Gutierrez, [SIZE=13.63636302948px]Giants sideline reporter. For the life of me, I could only understand parts of what he was saying. Today, he looked a little nervous (understandable) but more natural and I got all of what he said. I liked his ticking off a 1 through 7 Red Sox lineup: Vic, Pedey, Papi, Hanley, Himself, Napoli and Bogaerts. Looks good, but did Ben C. talk to him about Vic leading off? [/SIZE]
 

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To me, he always seemed to be forcing a big grin when interviewed after a game by Amy Gutierrez, [SIZE=13.63636302948px]Giants sideline reporter. For the life of me, I could only understand parts of what he was saying. Today, he looked a little nervous (understandable) but more natural and I got all of what he said. I liked his ticking off a 1 through 7 Red Sox lineup: Vic, Pedey, Papi, Hanley, Himself, Napoli and Bogaerts. Looks good, but did Ben C. talk to him about Vic leading off? [/SIZE]
He just isn't aware of Mookie's greatness yet.
 

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He just isn't aware of Mookie's greatness yet.
 
Of course, if Victorino isn't traded and is healthy in Spring Training, there's a pretty good chance Betts is in Pawtucket to start the year, and that's probably the best use of resources if they find themselves in that particular scenario come March.
 

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The only question left is what the marketing will look like....
 
Papi and the Panda
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"It's exciting for me to be with Hanley and David Ortiz," Sandoval said Tuesday, adding that the trio has already been dubbed the "Three Amigos."
Is there a lawyer on the board?
 

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In his defense, Gregor Blanco is supposedly one of the absolute best guys in the Giants clubhouse. He constantly tries to help players and build them up. Actually, he was one of the people who talked to Juan Perez after he found out mid-game about Oscar Taverez's death, got Perez to focus back on the game. So, I think she was trying to say Hanley Ramirez specifically isn't as great a clubhouse guy as two of the best clubhouse guys on the Giants roster... it's a stupid point because he's not playing on a team with only Hanley Ramirez, and it seems Pablo and Hanley are buddies. But I think her point was that the Giants have an unusual team-first chemistry that's difficult to recreate. 
 
The Giants do have great beat writers. I think the main three (Schulman, Baggs and Pavlovic) do good work in their own ways. 
 
Pablo is lying about the DH, I think.
 
I had a different take on the press conference: he looked nervous and uncomfortable. I am curious how this will all play out. Hopefully, for Pablo's sake, you will love him and roll with the stretches where he looks like the most putrid player to ever be given a major league roster spot. But he will look putrid, sometimes for long stretches. And then you will harp on his weight and his conditioning and how wise it is that his brother is his trainer and chef when he historically gains weight when he's eating home cooking. 
 
The Red Sox aren't really doing the panda thing correctly yet. That panda headed thing does, indeed, look like a rabid Siamese cat. He's Kung-Fu Panda, a cartoon, not a zoo panda. 
 
It's probably a good thing the Giants have found it difficult to recreate the chemistry of the Barry Bonds - Jeff Kent era. Wonder what Killen's take was back then?
 
Compared to them Hanley is a choirboy.
 

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It's probably a good thing the Giants have found it difficult to recreate the chemistry of the Barry Bonds - Jeff Kent era. Wonder what Killen's take was back then?
 
Compared to them Hanley is a choirboy.
 
Congratulations on making her point.  She's saying that Panda (and the rest of the Giants) have flourished in the super-positive clubhouse environment in SF, and Hanley will prevent that kind of environment in Boston (not saying she's right). 
 

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And yet the Giants never trotted out that monstrosity of a panda that the Red Sox did today. ;) I'm just saying they haven't quite gotten the hang of it yet. He's more a cartoon than the real thing (hence huge panda hats and things like that). 
 
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What part of that seemed nervous and uncomfortable?
Most of it? I think after watching him for the next five years, you'll look back at this and think the same thing. It's not an indictment on his character, it's a nervous situation. He doesn't know the writers, he has to speak English the entire time, he knows he's going to have to explain why he left San Francisco and answer questions about fitness and being a DH and other uncomfortable things. 
 
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So he weighed 245 after shedding weight before the season began? Or is he was under 245 during the season and gained the weight back to be at 245? I wonder what weight he played at this season. He looked bigger than 245 in the playoffs, but who knows?


I wonder how big Panda gets when the DH slot is open and he really lets himself go. The Sox might need to convince Ortiz to extend his career a few years just to put that off for as long as possible.
His listed weight has been 245 pretty much since 2009 or so, I think. That was the Giants' goal weight for him, and for the most part he'd come into Spring Training near that mark. Then throughout the season, he'd gain weight. That happened this past year, too. He gained less than he usually does, though, so that's a positive. I'd guess he ended the season around 265. In 2010, writers estimated he was around 280-285. That's the year he was benched for the World Series. You don't want to see that again, he was terrible. That's also the year they had the highly-publicized "Camp Panda" weight loss and workout camp for about a month, where he lost 30-40 pounds. He gained some of that back before Spring Training, which the Giants weren't happy about. And that might be the beginning seed of why he's a Red Sox now and not a Giant. 
 

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His listed weight has been 245 pretty much since 2009 or so, I think. That was the Giants' goal weight for him, and for the most part he'd come into Spring Training near that mark. Then throughout the season, he'd gain weight. That happened this past year, too. He gained less than he usually does, though, so that's a positive. I'd guess he ended the season around 265. In 2010, writers estimated he was around 280-285. That's the year he was benched for the World Series. You don't want to see that again, he was terrible. That's also the year they had the highly-publicized "Camp Panda" weight loss and workout camp for about a month, where he lost 30-40 pounds. He gained some of that back before Spring Training, which the Giants weren't happy about. And that might be the beginning seed of why he's a Red Sox now and not a Giant.
I saw him a lot with the SJ Giants (07) and he doesn't seem much bigger than that. But he was impressive as a catcher. I was amazed at his quickness and agility on bunts and stolen bases. Of course he has slowed down some but he carried the weight well.
 

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Congratulations on making her point.  She's saying that Panda (and the rest of the Giants) have flourished in the super-positive clubhouse environment in SF, and Hanley will prevent that kind of environment in Boston (not saying she's right). 
 
I'd argue that the point she is trying to make is a stretch, at best. Hanley's clubhouse issues have not been persistent. His one big incident occurred in 2010 and may have been related to the foul ball he took off the ankle earlier that day and the follow up bickering with a manager who was fired a month later and was known for being a hard ass. Reputations tend to stick with you, but beyond that one big blow up, what do we have for evidence that Hanley is a poor clubhouse guy?
 
On the other side we have reports that he was willing to move off of short to help facilitate a deal, has a great relationship with Papi and that the trio of he, Papi and Sandoval are thrilled to be together. We even have reports that Xander is really excited about Hanley coming to Boston. Seems like the beginnings of some good clubhouse chemistry to me. I'm not seeing a lot of reasons to doubt that Panda will be able to be part of a similarly happy and united clubhouse in Boston. I mean, the majority of the 2013 club is still around and that team was lauded as one of the best clubhouses in the game.
 

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It's probably a good thing the Giants have found it difficult to recreate the chemistry of the Barry Bonds - Jeff Kent era. Wonder what Killen's take was back then?
 
Compared to them Hanley is a choirboy.
Ann Killion despises Barry Bonds and what his ilk did to the game of baseball. She has been a vocal critic of both Bonds and how the Giants organization dealt with him. She even took a small jab at them in her column about how SF will mill Sandoval, calling the end of the Bonds era "a methodical, joyless home run march." 
 
Good job on the research, though. 
 

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The Red Sox aren't really doing the panda thing correctly yet. That panda headed thing does, indeed, look like a rabid Siamese cat. He's Kung-Fu Panda, a cartoon, not a zoo panda. 
 
The Sox were going for a red panda look.
 

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I saw him a lot with the SJ Giants (07) and he doesn't seem much bigger than that. But he was impressive as a catcher. I was amazed at his quickness and agility on bunts and stolen bases. Of course he has slowed down some but he carried the weight well.
He's a really good athlete. In my opinion his size is only a problem (thus far in his career anyway) when he gets to that 275+ extreme. I hope for the Red Sox that he does actually intend to stay as a third baseman. It's a bellwether on how well he can hit. If he's too out of shape to field, you don't want him in the batter's box in any capacity.