Red Sox HOF Class of '14: Clemens, Pedro, Nomar, and Joe Castiglione

Mighty Joe Young

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ishmael said:
This was the game Jeter dove into the stands (I could have sworn it was on national TV, but I guess it was just replayed a million times) and it was also the end of a three game sweep for the MFY that put the Sox 8.5 back in the division. Two more reasons Nomar never really lived this one down with the talk radio crowd.
It was the game Jeter caught a ball in fair territory - or near enough - and proceeded to dive into the stands afterwords .. Thus adding mightily to the hagiography
 

Jimy Hendrix

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LoweTek said:
His first pitch swinging used to drive me nuts. The strong AB, deep count philosophy being pressed by the team may have been a factor too.
I don't think anyone was bothered by this when he was lacing those first pitches to all fields with authority and striking out less than he walked.

The worm turned with the SoSH type analytical fan after he came back from that 2001 injury and seemed to be much more of a pull hitter than the seemingly unlimited hitter he had been. That when you started seeing people here calling him "Garciapopup" and going batshit when he pulled an outside first pitch.
 

teddywingman

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BCsMightyJoeYoung said:
It was the game Jeter caught a ball in fair territory - or near enough - and proceeded to dive into the stands afterwords .. Thus adding mightily to the hagiography
That game was at Fenway, not the toilet.
Edit: I'm wrong. Could have sworn it was at Fenway.
 

Tyrone Biggums

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Paradigm said:
 
+1 to this. My high school job was at a Pier 1 Imports, and most nights at 7PM I'd convince the manager to let me work in the stockroom so that I could listen to Joe and Jerry on the radio. When I first moved into college in Boston, our dorms didn't have cable so I put the first game that I could on the radio. Some kid down the hall popped his head in and asked, "is that a game I hear?" Later, when I didn't have money for MLB.TV I'd buy the radio package. Nowadays, if I'm walking around NYC and there's a game on, I'm listening to Joe on the radio. If I'm at work and can't put the game on my screen, it's Joe on the radio. And during the playoffs, when we have to endure the horrors of Joe Buck, I will always try to get the timing just right (and will endure a delay) to listen to Joe instead of the national broadcasters.
I figured if piggy back on this and share a personal story about Joe. Few years back I was looking to get into broadcasting or scouting and I messaged a bunch of people on LinkedIn. 3 people answered me and then around 5 PM that day on my way from work I get a phone call. The voice was distinct, it was Joe. I literally pulled over to the side of road around Malden Center and I talked with him and picked his brain for advice for a good 30 minutes. He didn't have to call me. He didn't have to even respond to me. I was some kid who just wanted advice on how to continue on in the professional baseball field. I never forgot that.

Hall of Famer in my book. I'm biased though.
 

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Tyrone Biggums said:
I figured if piggy back on this and share a personal story about Joe. Few years back I was looking to get into broadcasting or scouting and I messaged a bunch of people on LinkedIn. 3 people answered me and then around 5 PM that day on my way from work I get a phone call. The voice was distinct, it was Joe. I literally pulled over to the side of road around Malden Center and I talked with him and picked his brain for advice for a good 30 minutes. He didn't have to call me. He didn't have to even respond to me. I was some kid who just wanted advice on how to continue on in the professional baseball field. I never forgot that.

Hall of Famer in my book. I'm biased though.
Cool story.
 

TheYellowDart5

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wrathofvon said:
Nomar absolutely deserves that honor. Most of you, like Marblehead, the yellowdort and Eric Von weren't fans back then and don't remember his greatness.
 
Man, now I wish my username actually were "theyellowdort."
 

zenter

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Sampo Gida said:
Actually, Clemens had a pretty impressive last season in his contract year.  ERA+ of 139, led the league in K's with 257 and he had 242 IP.   He was especially outstanding in the 2nd half with a 3.16 ERA. I don't know when he went on the juice but I suspect it was before he headed north
 
Considering his 1986, isn't it just as possible he juicing started after season-ending rotator cuff surgery in 1985? Recovery is the main boon provided by PEDs, as I understand it. Moreover, should it matter? It wasn't against MLB rules and nobody cared to stop players from juicing. In this context, Clemens was still one of the best pitchers in baseball, had two 20-K games while on the Sox and was well on his way to Cy Young Award supremacy when he left.
 
I agree that it sucks to have Pedro's induction alongside Roger, but they were the best two pitchers on the Sox since Smoky Joe and Cy, right? It hits the right kind of narrative tone.