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Discussion in 'Red Sox Forum' started by Sprowl, Apr 4, 2013.
Really need a gif of that play Pedroia made last night to end the 5th inning. That was a pretty nice play.
Pedroia is currently first this season in UZR among 2Bs, and the eye test backs it up. There's a reason 2 top prospects now have been moved off the position.
Benintendi is unreal
Fuck. That is beautiful.
That didn't take long at all. Well done.
Pete Abraham @PeteAbe 26m26 minutes ago
Price waited for Benintendi as he came off the field after the catch. “I just told him, ‘Thank you.’ … But I’m not surprised. SEC guy."
Freaking picnic table prevented him from going over the wall Torii Hunter style. Cuz it's the Trop, and you gotta have an RV park down the left field line!
Whatever. Jim Rice totally would have made that play.
Here's a question for the board. Didn't it used to be that if the fielder's feet wen't over the fence the catch was invalid, and a foul or a homer depending on location? For example, Shawn O'Malley's catch today or even Captain Intangible's bloody nose catch, or if Tori Hunter had caught Big Papi's game changing homer, those didn't used to be outs, did they?
Sorry Teddy, I'm trying to get the O'Malley catch from today in which he went completely into the stands, I always thought that if you went completely over the fence, the ball went with you and the result was whatever it would have been if you had not caught it. Make sense?
Brandon at the .com went over those rules in some detail a few days ago: Rulebook 101: Climbing the Walls. Short answer: On top of the wall is OK.
I think if he falls totally out of play after the catch, any remaining runner is given a base, right? But in this case his feet stayed "over" the field of play, which apparently matters.
Ok, it was a nice catch, but get back to me when Benintendi does it in LF at Fenway.
The measured approach he takes to the ball is mesmerizing. He had it the whole way and made it look easy. I'm reminded of those catches Damon used to make up against the Monster where he'd perfectly time his leap at the last moment and high-point the ball right up against the wall. Too slow and you don't get there in time, too fast and you'll get there too soon and have to jump flat-footed. Incredible awareness. I can't believe we were able to add this guy to the young core already in place.
Only one man can do that:
(yes, I know he did it in NY not here, but he COULD have done it here!)
Have you seen Rizzo's catch last week, where he jumped up onto the top of the wall along the 1B line at Wrigley? The wall there is only about 30" above ground level and is about 18" wide along the top. He calmly stepped up, waited for the ball, leaned over the first row or two to cath it, then hopped down.
Here's the rule:
Essentially, as long as you jump from the field of play (and tarps and walls are part of field) and catch it before landing elsewhere you'll be okay. You can't leap a short fence, land, then catch the ball.
It's a shame Souza didn't run all the way around the bases and then get halfway to the dugout and go "Whaaaaaaaaaa?"
Rob Bradford @bradfo 15h15 hours ago
Benintendi noted was table on other side of fence was able to brace himself on. 'If that wasn't there I don't know what would have happened'
I think the problem with him catching and going completely over the fence is verifying he actually caught it.
I'm wondering who the guy at the end of that clip pointing at Benitendi is, because he sure seems to have gone 'he caught it!' with that point.
It's always been a little unclear to me when you're in the stands or beyond the boundry for purposes of the one-base advance. I assume if you fall completely into the stands but your feet are still dangling over the wall so that a shoelace is technically above the field, a base should be awarded.
I think the top of any wall is in play. What you can't do is jump into the stands or, at Fenway for example, into the bullpen and wait for the ball and then catch it.
I'd still like to see that, and if anyone could do it, it would be one of our three superman outfielders.
Yeah, not really sure if possible. It would have to be a moonshot, maybe on a windy night, with an outfielder playing very very deep. Ichiro in his prime, maybe.
Mookie's arm was never a noodle, but I don't remember it being quite this good last season:
Kiermaier, too - fast runner
Ichiro has stolen a few home runs by climbing the fences, Spider-Man style. After he pulled the trick off for the first time, it became obvious that he had been climbing walls all the time and fans hadn't noticed.
The M's used to show old tape of Jay Buhner tumbling over the bullpen wall at Fenway as he made a catch, then carrying the ball back onto the playing field as he kept the fence to get back to RF. Broadcaster Dave Neihaus always said that if Buhner had thrown the ball back from the bullpen, it would have been HR instead of an out. Whether the rule book agreed with him or not, I couldn't say.
On a somewhat separate topic.
Watching the piece on Benintendi walk through his catch it was interesting hearing how there isn't a warning track as such. Just different coloured turf, so he had to keep an eye on the colour change. Is that normal for turf fields?
Takes away the whole point of the warning track being a different surface so the fielder can tell without looking when he reaches it.
So the colour is basically just to look "traditional".
For every HR he'd steal, he'd climb the wall dozens of times and have the ball go 10 feet over his head.
Maybe if the Red Sox outfielders see this clip, it will give them some ideas.
Was watching the Rays feed (but with WEEI audio) and they seemed to make a point of it on that broadcast. You can kind of see the table in this still I took:
It sounds like you *could* stand on the wall between right field and the bullpen and wait for the ball, right? I think we need to get word to Mookie to practice that play. If he even just made a failed attempt in a game, the spectacle would sell a lot of tickets. A successful catch like that probably locks up MVP for him.
That's what "fantasy baseball" should mean...
Somebody mentioned in the game thread that if he threw it sooner, he could have had Kiermaier by a step or two. I don't think so. First, he had to square himself to the third base bag, and second, he needed the crow hop to get more in the ball. Mookie executed it, and Kiermaier, perfectly.
They not only made a point of it on the broadcast Monday but followed up on it last night with a short segment on what the table actually is. It's a catering table for the bullpen area that hosts group outings. I must say the table was "well placed".
At least the 3rd base coach was frantically giving Kiermaier the 'SLIDE SLIDE SLIDE' arm motions vs. the coach that was just standing there smoking a cigarette when JBJ cut down Headly
In fairness I don't think that Moncada was signed to be a 2b, I think they left him there for his personal comfort while he developed.
Start this replay from 30 sec and marvel at what the other second baseman is doing
Need to get the part where Kiermaier asks his third base coach who threw him out.
"Who threw that? Mookie?"
ESPN video here: http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=17380076
Shows it at 0:19
Pete Abraham @PeteAbe 13h13 hours ago
Betts on his throw: “I didn’t know I could really do that."
Well, he's a second baseman playing out of position.
Search Youtube for the name "Masato Akamatsu."
That was awesome. He was obviously confused and thought somehow JBJ threw it.
That's awesome, thanks!