RochesterSamHorn said:
It's good to have hope. Hope is the thing with feathers, as Emily Dickinson said.
Of course, cuckoos are also things with feathers.
Red Sox Deadline Discussion
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It's good to have hope. Hope is the thing with feathers, as Emily Dickinson said.
Of course, cuckoos are also things with feathers.
nattysez said:
I wasn't enamored about today's trades when first disclosed but I'm coming around. Clearly, top minor league prospects remain overvalued in the market or Cherington would have obtained some. The Sox did well to buy low on Escobar for Peavy. Escobar had to be close to untouchable after his good 2013 AA season. Clearly, Cherington is selling high on his limited lease rental pitchers but trying (though gambling) to buy low on proven major league regulars.
While Cespedes has a mediocre OBP, keep in mind that Billy Beane had him first. The old Moneyball approach was that the high OBP guys were undervalued. This is no longer true. Prospects were probably once greatly undervalued. This is no longer true either. There is probably an undisclosed market inefficiency (there would be no competitive advantage if they told us what it was) that they are pursuing. Mid-career guys signed to bargain contracts (assuming that they can approach their proven previous best performances) might be what they are after. Instead of gambling the last large part of $150 million in years 4-6 on Lester, it might be more efficient to gamble $10 million owed next year to Cespedes and the more than $40 million owed to Craig over the next 4 years. If either or both of them can replicate their 2012 seasons, they are huge bargains. If they provide even close to average major league performances, they will come close to earning their contracts. If they are both completely worthless, they have lost a lot less than what they could lose if Lester hurts his arm or otherwise declines in the first couple of years of what is looking more like it will be a top dollar 6 year signing.
If I am right about this new market inefficiency, then I like this return on the Lackey, Gomes and Lester rentals a lot more. Perhaps this is the new Moneyball approach. It explains why smart organizations like the A's and Cardinals signed Cespedes and Craig to their original contracts in the first place. Clearly, given their positions in their respective leagues right now, both the A's and the Cardinals perceive the huge value of their new pitching rentals (Lester and Lackey) in their GFIN situations. Both teams might be the odds on favorites to meet in the World Series at the end because they acted boldly today. On the other hand, rather than obtaining inherently risky minor league prospects, the Sox went after proven major league talent that was recently disappointing. However, with some tweaks, fixes and the right change of scenery, they must believe that both Cespedes and Craig have more seasons like 2012 in their futures.
Well if "everyone" in contention was interested in him I guess there are a few more calls to make. OK so we only get one prospect instead of two. But unless it's a really good one - Keep him!Corsi said:
Don't trust the "Tweets" anymore guys. There have already been at least 2 fake announcement via Twitter today. The last hour could be wild
Alex Speier@alexspeier 1m
Source: Sox trade Andrew Miller to Orioles for Eduardo Rodriguez
https://twitter.com/alexspeier/status/494921396930113537
Source: Sox trade Andrew Miller to Orioles for Eduardo Rodriguez
https://twitter.com/alexspeier/status/494921396930113537
Pre-season Sickels:
#3 prospect!
3) Eduardo Rodriguez, LHP, Grade B: Velocity seems to rise a notch each year and he finished very strong in Double-A. He doesn’t turn 21 until April and I think he needs another year in the high minors, but he could become a mid-rotation starter.
#3 prospect!
3) Eduardo Rodriguez, LHP, Grade B: Velocity seems to rise a notch each year and he finished very strong in Double-A. He doesn’t turn 21 until April and I think he needs another year in the high minors, but he could become a mid-rotation starter.
Rodriguez' FIP is better this year than last. Walk rate is down, K rate is down from 8.90 to 7.51. I like this get. 21 y.o.
What's next for Carp is driving down Yawkey Way with the World Series trophy tied to his bumper like Costanza. "Attention Henry and front office morons...you all stink"
So, who is on the major league roster for tomorrow? Ranaudo is supposed to pitch, so that's one. Currently the only lefty in the pen is Breslow, so is the Miller replacement Drake Britton?
It would be so nice to get rid of Carp and add a kid; Mookie?
It would be so nice to get rid of Carp and add a kid; Mookie?
from mlb.com:
7:10 PM ET
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H
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NYY
(55-52)
BOS
(48-60)
Probables:
NYY:
Capuano (1-1, 4.30)
BOS:
TBD
How fast can busses and planes get a rotation together?
"Hello? Mirabelli travel and logistics how can I help you?"
7:10 PM ET
R
H
E
NYY
(55-52)
BOS
(48-60)
Probables:
NYY:
Capuano (1-1, 4.30)
BOS:
TBD
How fast can busses and planes get a rotation together?
"Hello? Mirabelli travel and logistics how can I help you?"
Would that be a State Police Dispatcher answering the Mirabelli Travel hotline?shepard50 said:
Corsi said:
Not to be an ass but how exactly does this relate to the Redsox? They aren't involved in this.
Wouldn't be stunned if Boston is helping Tampa move Price out of the division. Price to LA Cespedes to Tampa and prospects to Boston? Nah
Tyrone Biggums said:
Price to Boston, Napoli and Cespedes to Seattle, Franklin and Walker to Tampa Bay?
(To be clear, I just made that up.)
This all works for me if the Red Sox get Miller back, along with one of Lester or Scherzer. Maybe trade Napoli to free up some $$$.
I know it's not going to happen, but next year's a bear with Detroit having Price, the Yankees having either Lester or Scherzer (or both) and the Red Sox having Buchholz.
I know it's not going to happen, but next year's a bear with Detroit having Price, the Yankees having either Lester or Scherzer (or both) and the Red Sox having Buchholz.
