Red Sox Deadline Discussion (nothing is credible) thread
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Snodgrass'Muff said:
As I wrote, Johnson has pitched for the Sox' MLB club this season.
And unfortunately, most other teams could beat an offer like you suggest, because all three you listed are in the 31-50 range of the "top 50" (by MLB.com's list at least). When you take out #'s 10 and 15 (Moncada and Devers), there are 28 "better" prospects out there belonging to various different teams.
Honestly, the upper levels of the farm system is barren right now, with Pawtucket having been strip-mined to supply Boston. Now, Greenville on down is looking really strong, with as many sky-high ceiling players as I can remember being on the farm since 2006.
OK, can officially sign off on the season now.
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Snoop Soxy Dogg said:
The deadline is about contenders/sellers, and it was always a long shot anything along the lines of what we'd ideally be looking for got done today.
The lack of movement today shouldn't bother anybody imo. Our time will come this winter.
So you are saying there's a chance!Bob Montgomery's Helmet Hat said:
I think it's depressing that no contender is willing to trade with the Sox before the deadline for any of our veterans (except Shane). This team really sucks and the other teams know that are old guys are worthless.
Ryan Cook with his stats fit right in with this pitching staff.
http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/31532/ryan-cook
http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/31532/ryan-cook
Ale Xander said:
He was an all star in 2012. Pitched well as recently as last year. I imagine they're betting on that whole change of scenery thing. In the meantime, he's another arm for the Pawtucket shuttle.
So you're focusing on his 4 innings of work this season as opposed to his past three full seasons.scotian1 said:
Sox and Rocks said:
It's the always popular PTBNL going back to Oakland. Betting it's nothing of note, and probably based on how Cook does the rest of the year.
https://mobile.twitter.com/JonHeymanCBS/status/627210718492889088
Cook for Panda? All good!
Edit: I was kidding. You knew I was kidding, right?
Cook for Panda? All good!
Edit: I was kidding. You knew I was kidding, right?
Edes says it will be for cashRed(s)HawksFan said:
https://twitter.com/GordonEdes/status/627213130284826625
Rudy Pemberton said:
Also evidently NY was willing to take that terrible Gyorko deal off their hands as well as send them Mateo in a Kimbrel deal, but SD turned them down (thankfully for NY). Preller was incompetent in the offseason and is still incompetent.
This sums it up well. The Red Sox want to acquire a young cost controlled starting pitcher and yet they can’t acquire that kind of pitcher without surrendering their best prospects, something they don’t want to do.
The big question now and into the off-season will be: how do the Red Sox build a championship caliber starting staff for 2016?
The Red Sox didn’t need to make a trade, since they aren’t going anywhere. The bigger surprise was the Yankees failure to add to their pitching staff, a team that will be playing baseball in October. BLUNDER.
Bob Montgomery's Helmet Hat said:
He got hurt and has never been the same. There was a lot of talk at the start of the year about how he was finally healthy, and then he came into games unable to throw strikes or get anyone out. The last time the A's traded a reliever to the Sox, it was Andrew Bailey. I don't anticipate ever seeing him in a Sox uniform.
SouthernBoSox said:
I had a different reaction. I'm not that high on Mateo, he is a lottery ticket. The Padres have big TV money coming in and so can deal with Gyorko's contract without forcing a trade to dump payroll. If I'm the Padres, I would turn down that offer as well. If the Yankees want Kimbrel, give up Severino or Judge, or call someone else.
In this market, top prospects were going for rentals.....
Steve Lyons just really slammed Sandoval about his weight gain, ability to play third any more...lack of lateral movement, playing too shallow, even used the words "eating himself off the team." That is all correct, IMO, and nothing new to me here, but I hadn't heard it shouted out point blank before.
DrewDawg said:
Do you mean from the roster, or were you thinking more in terms of a shiv?
Sox and Rocks said:
Yup, the last two months of a going-nowhere year is a great time to take a flyer on a bullpen reclamation project. If he flops, no harm done; if he doesn't, they maybe fill a 2016 roster slot for what is likely to be a pretty trivial price.
Al Zarilla said:
This is Panda in the World Series last year. He's fat then. He's fat now. Has he really gained that much weight from last year to this?
But aren't the guys they want to unload the types who can clear waivers? Who would put in a claim on Kemp, Shields, etc.?IpswichSox said:
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I think he has, a lot. He looks more like this, this year.Smiling Joe Hesketh said:
This is Panda in the World Series last year. He's fat then. He's fat now. Has he really gained that much weight from last year to this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eX6LeDW8Zwc
I know, Lyons is Lyons, but I think he nailed it in this case, and I was almost shocked to hear someone from the local media tell it like it is.mauidano said:
Cafardo wasn't blunt like Lyons but he did say the Sox shouldn't be afraid to move Sandoval. "It isn't working out so move him".Al Zarilla said:
I also got a kick out of what Lyons said about Hanley not being in Lineup tonight. "He got a cold from the ice bucket challenge" LOL
I am not a Hanley fan but he really beat himself up last night with foul balls off his instep and knee. He looked to be in a good deal of pain. They need to outfit him with protective gear.strek1 said:
No one is going to want Panda unless you eat more than half of his contract. The smarter move is to motivate him the right way (he's definitely got a big ego) to get him in shape over the off-season and hopefully he's embarrassed by the O and D #s he has put up this year. Trading him when his value has bottomed out is a terrible move (and who would want him? Nobody.)
I just listened to Cherington for ~ 10 minutes on NESN, subjects post trade deadline and going forward. He said they talked about a lot of things with other teams but nothing was compelling enough to pull the trigger. Learned a lot for maybe August and offseason dealings though.Thinks a lot of the guys on the team now will be part of a good team going forward but the two things that have to be improved most are pitching and defense. He said the Sox will need help from the outside (assume he means getting new players). Pitching is obvious but wrt defense, there are two albatrosses out there (my words, not his), HR and PS. Pablo he said has to get better and they'll have to have some closed doors meetings about what he may have to do (lose weight, obviously). In other words we're stuck with Pablo, kind of knew that. Hanley, he didn't talk about at all wrt defense. One reporter asked about moving people around in the infield to maybe improve the D, but Ben didn't bite on that one. Used to hear "in Theo we trust" a lot, and the same with Belichick, but I don't know on this one. The team has dug themselves into a pretty big hole.
At this point I would have taken a bucket of vomit for Napoli just to clear the spot on the roster to get Travis Shaw and Hanley some 1B time. Bah!
Amazing how quickly the spotlight has started to bear down on Sandoval. First the weight talk and now the vehement denials from the organization that he needs to move to 1st. Feels like there's some serious damage control starting to go down on Panda. The fact that we're talking about defense and conditioning for a 29 year old in Year 1 of a deal is just depressing.
Just to give everyone a glimpse of what dealing with Preller was like during the deadline:
https://twitter.com/Gambo987/status/627228874682707968
Lars The Wanderer said:
Sounds like a bunch of BS to me. I'm betting if Preller did ask, it was a sarcastic way of saying no to the D-Backs when they came asking for Kimbrel.
Trotsky said:
I just don't see a 2nd position switch for Hanley this year. He's in LF, like it or not. As for Shaw, he's done nothing to earn a 1B gig in the majors. I'd rather give Sam Travis ABs than Shaw at this point.
Also, Napoli can still be traded. No way is he claimed through waivers, and at least for the last two weeks he is producing again - .333/.400/.639 triple slash over the last 11. Another 2 weeks of that and a team may be willing to bite on him as a late season addition.
Trotsky said:
Why on earth would the Red Sox trade anyone in a lost year unless it brought back something of future value? They've got another 8 months to maximize things. Maybe you'd like to see a bucket of vomit on the bench, but there's always a possibility a barrel is out there.
And Hanley is the future DH. Mr. Ortiz will not play forever.
Same reason they traded Victorino for nothing. To clear up a roster spot and move in other guys who could be useful in the future. The Sox now have more playing time for JBJ and Castillo with Victorino gone. With Napoli gone you have options potentially with Shaw, Panda, Hanley dtcgeoduck no quahog said: