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Rafael Devers

Discussion in 'The Adopt a Prospect Forum' started by Jed Zeppelin, Feb 28, 2014.

  1. Jed Zeppelin

    Jed Zeppelin Member SoSH Member

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    Devers was the #3 international prospect last summer and signed for $1.5 mil, the biggest bonus the Sox have given to a Latin American player since Vinicio and Iglesias in '09 (Lin signed for $2mil in '12). He turned 17 in October.
     
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    Devers was reportedly very impressive at fall instrux and Sox Prospects is projecting him to begin in the GCL, which would be nice in terms of getting eyes on him rather than relying on those semi-mysterious DSL numbers. Doesn't sound nearly as raw as Almanzar, the last corner infield bat they splurged on way back in '07. Since then, most of the money has gone to shortstops, centerfielders, and pitchers with a brief interlude in 2010 for the Cubans Ibarra and Linares.
     
    Definitely will be one of the most interesting prospects below AA to follow. In a somewhat related note, the projected Salem lineup is an absolute wasteland, with some moderately interesting pitchers preventing the team from being a total black hole.
     
     
     
  2. billy ashley

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    Devers has already gotten comparisons to Robinson Cano in terms of his swing. Unfortunately, while he is listed is a 3b, there's already a great deal of talk about him having to move to first as he fills out. 
     
    You're correct about Salem. Vinicio is sort of a guy to follow, but his 2013 was off the charts bad. Weems is listed on SoxProspects as the back-up catcher, but I suppose he's worth following due to the fact that Boston drafted him in the third round in 2011 (though this was likely to save money for guys like Swihart, Kukuk, Owens, Golson, Betts and Jerez).
     
  3. pokey_reese

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    Given the total context of the system, I don't know that potentially moving to first is that much of a bad thing. 
     
  4. Hoplite

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    Have also heard the Cano comparisons on his swing. I've seen video of his swing from a year ago and video of his current swing and he's made a lot of mechanical improvements in a relatively short time. He could potentially be a household prospect name if he hits well next year.
     
  5. soxhop411

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhqGE_m2alg
     
  6. SouthernBoSox

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    That Cano comp.....

    .... makes a ton of sense now.
     
  7. Snodgrass'Muff

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    I can already see this kid becoming one of my prospect binkies.  Awesome.
     
  8. SouthernBoSox

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    Yea, he's probably right behind Mookie for me right now.
     
  9. pokey_reese

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    A lot of wiggle in the bat before he loads.  Do we know where he was assigned to start the year?
     
  10. Savin Hillbilly

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    Gulf Coast according to SP.
     
  11. jsinger121

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    Devers is starting the year in the DSL.
     
  12. SaveBooFerriss

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    I am very surprised by this.  I thought he was certain to start in the GCL based on the reports from instructs and ST.  Oh well, Xander spent is age 17 season in the DSL and it worked out fine for him.  
     
  13. Detts

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    Missed this before.  
     
    Under no scenario do you want to follow Weems.  Unless you hate yourself:
     
    271/190/462
     
    In his 3rd year at Greenville.
     
  14. WenZink

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    The decision to start Devers in the DSL could well be related to maturity and cultural issues.  If he's great in the DSL, you can always have him "skip a grade" later on.  But you start him too high, gets homesick and hits .220, then what do you do?
     
  15. jsinger121

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    Unlikely as he attended spring training in fort Myers. They don't send immature players to Florida and waste a visa on them.
     
  16. Eddie Jurak

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    Chris Hatfield of Sox Prospects pointed out that in recent years the Sox have had a few prospects who were in uniform for both the DSL opener and the GCL opener.  It's at least possible that Devers was sent to the DSL just to get a bit of game experience before the start of the GCL season.
     
  17. Nite Vizhun UV

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    Devers has been a lot of fun to follow in his first season. I'm itching to see how his bat plays in upper levels.
     
       
    -Alex Speier
     
  18. OttoC

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    I don't really know about visas and baseball but would a visa to attend spring training necessarily be the same as the visa needed to play in the GCL?
     
  19. jsinger121

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    It's a visa for the year. I expect him to be in Fort Myers at the start of the GCL season. They likely wanted him to get at bats and had to do it in the DSL.
     
  20. Eddie Jurak

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    Devers with a pair of home runs today!
     
  21. SaveBooFerriss

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    Xander had a pretty good year in the DSL at age 17. Devers has already matched Xander's DSL home run total.  
     
  22. Nite Vizhun UV

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  23. foulkehampshire

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    He might sniff Greenville at the end of the year if he keeps hitting like this. 
     
    Impressive stuff. 
     
  24. Snodgrass'Muff

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  25. jsinger121

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    He has not been promoted yet from a source I have.
     
  26. radiohix

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    Per BA's Ben Bandler, he'll be promoted to the GCL, this week end.
     
  27. Detts

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    If he sniffs Greenville this year I'll start going to games 2-3 times a week like I did when Xander was here.
     
  28. uncannymanny

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    http://www.masslive.com/redsox/index.ssf/2014/07/red_sox_prospect_rafael_devers.html

     
  29. Drek717

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    With a bat in his hand this kid is something else.  Hopefully now that he's in the GCL we start getting some word on his defense.  I wouldn't be surprised if he gets moved off 3B soon to accelerate his climb through the system.  You can't hold a bat like his down waiting for the kid's defense to catch up because it might never do that.
     
    My only concern would be where to move him.  Probably LF as with the additions of Ockimey and Sam Travis in the draft, Nick Longhi last year, and Travis Shaw at AAA the 1B stable is actually looking pretty well filled out for the first time in a while.
     
  30. Snodgrass'Muff

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    So after 15 games and 61 PAs, he's at 370/426/593 with a .222 ISO and a 186 wRC+ which is in the range of his wRC+ from the DSL (172). His walk rate has been roughly cut in half, but his strike out rate isn't far off from his DSL rate, sitting at 18% currently. I think it might be time to start getting excited about this kid. He's still 3 months shy of his 18th birthday.
     
  31. Detts

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    Start?  There aren't very many seats left on the bandwagon already!
     
    Heck, even soxprospects has him at number 4 already.
     
  32. Snodgrass'Muff

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    I was more referring to the fact that this thread has been untouched for almost 3 weeks. :)
     
    Yeah, he's looking like he has taken the first few steps along the Bogaerts path. Hopefully at this time next year we're talking about getting him to Portland to start 2016.
     
  33. Drek717

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    Devers hits a granny today for his second HR in the last two days.  Adds a single while he's at it.  His GCL sample is now only one AB shy of his DSL sample, the two slash lines are as follows.  Also, his 18th birthday isn't until October 24th.
     
    DSL: .337/.445/.538
    GCL: .340/.400/.563
     
    So yeah, kid can swing the bat huh?
     
  34. Eddie Jurak

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    Will he get a taste of Lowell this year?
     
  35. mabrowndog

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    I'd be really surprised if they moved him up the ladder with just a few weeks left in the season. He was 1.2 years younger than the average DSL player, and in the GCL that gap is 2.7 years. For the NYPL, it's a solid 4-year difference. Despite his immense talents, that's a pretty huge gap in both the physical size & strength of players and emotional maturity.
     
    And I'm not just referring to the on-field disparity. I'm no teen behavior expert and I might be talking out of my ass here, but being around kids closer to his age, as well as those with whom he has an ethnic bond (players from the DR or other Latin American countries make up half the GCL roster) would seem to be of immense value for a 17-year-old assimilating into American culture. That wouldn't be the case at Lowell, where most of the roster is made up of former US college & JUCO players. Not to mention that Lowell will never be confused with Fort Myers.
     
    I'm not saying it's a hard & fast rule, but I can't recall the club making a similar move mid-season with a kid who'd already advanced from DSL to GCL in the same year. The youngest active Spinner is RHP Enfember Martinez, a Venezuelan who turns 19 at month's end. Like Devers this year, he was promoted last season from DSL to GCL before beginning 2014 with Lowell. Then there's OF Manuel Margot, arguably on the same "rising star" level as Devers. After playing all of 2012 in the DSL and turning 18 at season's end, Margot skipped GCL (though he effectively competed at the level for a couple of months in extended spring training with the rest of the GCL players) and jumped straight to Lowell for 2013, where he was 3 years younger than league average.
     
    I'm not sure if the Sox are planning to have Devers play any fall or winter ball, but regardless I think he begins in Lowell next season. If he has another hot start, they'll look to quickly advance him to Greenville.
     
  36. erfus

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    The closest is what they did with Wendell Rijo, right?  He's just about a year older than Devers and has been in Greenville all season.  Last season at age 17 he played in 49 games in the GCL and 3 in Lowell.  However, Rijo did not begin the 2013 season in the DSL.
     
  37. Eddie Jurak

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    That's what I was thinking about - a cup of coffee in Lowell similar to Rijo's.
     
  38. mabrowndog

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    Erfus, I totally brainfarted on Rijo so good call. He stayed with GCL through the end of their regular season (8/29) but left before their playoffs (1 g vs the Yankees, 2 g vs the Nationals). Rijo never actually had to set foot in Lowell, though, as he met the team on the road for their final series in Aberdeen, Maryland. So at least they spared him that culture shock. ;)
     
    This year  GCL's final regular-season game is August 28, and they're again on pace to win their division. The Spinners, postseason longshots, finish with home games vs Aberdeen 8/28-30 and a pair at Connecticut (Norwich) on 8/31 & 9/1. So yeah, I could see Devers joining them for what amounts to a long weekend. Point: Jurak.
     
  39. Snodgrass'Muff

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    He's in his first real professional slump, posting a 195/233/390 line in his last 10 games. He still has 2 HR and 10 RBI in that span, though. It'll be interesting to see how he responds to his first bout of struggles. His overall line is still 311/371/504, which goes to show you just how incredibly hot he was to start after his promotion.
     
  40. mabrowndog

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    Devers went 2-for-5 with a double & walk today, which is nice to see. But it's just his 3rd multi-hit game in his last 19 outings since July 28. He's got a .216/.303/.365/.668 line in 80 PA over that span.
     
    Over his last 9 games, he's hitting .200/.263/.257/.520 in 38 PA.
     
  41. The Allented Mr Ripley

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  43. SaveBooFerriss

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    I hope all three are in Greenville next year, but it will be hard to manage ABs with these three and Dubon who had a good year at Lowell playing mostly SS.  
     
  44. Mugsy's Jock

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    Tasty quote from Badler's chat about his list -- Devers the equivalent of a Top 5 pick!
     
     
  45. soxhop411

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    https://twitter.com/GabeDiBiase/status/594992314692575233
     
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  47. LondonSox

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    Really this is the whole thread here? This is as random as Mookie not having an adopt a prospect thread for a year.
     
    The Ks (and low BB) are a concern, but minimal for an 18 year old in full season ball and adjusting.
    353/ 371/ 518/ 889
     
    That's an astonishing average and slugging for his age at that level 
     
  48. soxhop411

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  49. Hee Sox Choi

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    From Fangraphs' McDaniels chat:
     
     


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    Any reports on Rafael Devers’ 3B defense at Greenville this year? Do you think he eventually moves to a corner outfield spot?
     
     





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    Kiley McDaniel: Just saw him last weekend. Scout comped him to Panda in every sense of the word. Will need to monitor body, but the hands and arm are fine and the first step isn’t bad.
     
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wh7OdMthttw
     

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