R6/R7 LB Grugier-Hill, LB Roberts, G Karras, and WR Lucien

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Reiss had him as a pre draft binky
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S/LB Kamu Grugier-Hill (Eastern Illinois): The 6-foot-2, 210-pound Grugier-Hill is a late-round projection who has some similarities to 2015 undrafted free agent Brandon King, who emerged as an impact special teams player with the Patriots last year. He ran well at Northwestern's pro day (clocked by some at 4.4 in the 40) and lands here because players with his "tweener" skill set (safety/linebacker) seem to be increasing in value around the NFL.
 

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Got ejected for punching an opponent in the nuts a couple years ago if I remember correctly.

EDIT: He and Jones certainly have a nasty edge to them.
 

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Text from a scout after the Patriots selected Kamu Grugier-Hill 208th overall: "Seattle is probably furious. High SPARQ guy.

If you consider him a safety, that's 90th percentile for 40 time, 27th bench, 84th vert, 93rd broad, 51st shuttle, 76th 3-cone. 77th for height and 49th weight. Clearly a good athlete. Haven't seen any tape on him though.
 
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Here's my totally amateurish read on that guy after having watched half of his four-minute highlight reel against inferior competition:

He looks like and plays like a "football player." Love the pick. ROSTER LOCK.
 

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Here's my totally amateurish read on that guy after having watched half of his four-minute highlight reel against inferior competition:

He looks like and plays like a "football player." Love the pick. ROSTER LOCK.
Too small to be an every down LB, looks too stiff to be a safety, but man he plays fast. He's at least going to bring ST value. He was relentless on punt coverage.
 

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Roberts's NFL.com write-up

STRENGTHS
A coach's dream. Tremendous leader on the field and off. Worked all offseason to loosen his hips and improve his flexibility. Loves to hit and has a nose for the ball. Instinctive with an uncanny ability to consistently sniff out the best path to the ball. Lives on a downhill track and makes high percentage of tackles near line of scrimmage. Chest-up, wrap-up tackler. Has heart for days. Square in his scrapes and mirrors running backs effectively.
WEAKNESSES
Not a natural knee bender. Struggles badly with change of direction. Slow to accelerate when asked to stop and start. Below average speed and won't win many races to the edge. Lacks athletic talent to cover in space. Poor ball skills. Missed numerous interception opportunities due to poor hands.
DRAFT PROJECTION
Round 7 or priority free agent
BOTTOM LINE
His head coach calls Roberts one of the best leaders he's ever been around and raves about his work ethic and passion for the game. Despite his athletic limitations, Roberts posted outstanding tackle production and was a commanding presence in the box, but his lack of speed and athletic ability create a paper thin margin for error in the NFL that could be tough for Roberts to overcome.
 

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Karras is limited by his lack of functional athleticism, but his technique combined with moderate body control gives him a chance to fight for a roster spot with a power-based running game looking for tough guys.
 

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STRENGTHS
Has good size and adequate deep speed. Uses footwork to create separation with his press release. Doesn't waste time juking after the catch and gets upfield immediately. Has some talent after the catch and can turn 15 into 40 if he slips a tackle or two. Recovered from hamstring issue to dominate over his last three games with 534 yards receiving and 5 touchdowns. Comfortable working middle of the field.
WEAKNESSES
Has to gear down to get into his breaks. Doesn't play with desired acceleration out of his cuts. Lacks smooth, sudden change of direction in his routes to uncover. Will struggle to create separation against NFL quickness. Push into his routes rarely generates and early turn by cornerbacks.
DRAFT PROJECTION
Undrafted free agent
BOTTOM LINE
Lucien has decent size and speed, but there aren't any physical traits or play traits that have put him squarely on the radar of NFL scouts. Lucien was never much of a factor at UCLA before he transferred as a graduate to Arizona State, but his run over the final three games of the season will be worth digging into a little deeper for evaluators.
 

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1. Devin Lucien, WR, Arizona State

There are a number of receivers in this class who project as good NFL players, and that depth has pushed Lucien down draft boards, making him a potentially excellent value. He has strong hands, and plenty of experience adjusting to poorly-thrown passes at Arizona State, so he can make plays even when covered. He’s effective on the outside and on shorter routes, so look for Lucien to provide an effective option in the second or third tier of wide receiver prospects.
 

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Rich Hill has a writeup on Lucien too.

How would you feel if the Patriots selected a wide receiver that led all draft prospects in yards per game down the final stretch of the 2015 college season in November and December? This player picked up 659 yards and 6 touchdowns on 35 receptions over five games during that time frame against Power 5 opponents.

This player was a first year transfer that couldn't join his new team until the middle of June. He took the first half of the season to adjust (and to overcome a hamstring injury), but then exploded once he was comfortable in the offense. After he collected 118 yards against then-ranked #4 Utah, he was responsible for 38.3% of the team's receiving production, in line with top 50 prospects like Baylor's Corey Coleman, Pittsburgh's Tyler Boyd, Notre Dame's Will Fuller, and TCU's Josh Doctson.


He grabbed 77 yards and a touchdown against perennial powerhouse Oregon. 190 yards and a touchdown against in-state rival Arizona. 200 yards and three touchdowns against California. 144 yards and a touchdown in a bowl game against West Virginia.

He runs a 4.49 second 40 yard dash and a 6.93 second three cone at 6'1, 201 lbs. He has great hands, body control, and runs pro style routes.

Arizona State wide receiver Devin Lucien is currently rated as an undrafted free agent prospect. This has to change.
Strengths
: His hands are some of the best in the draft, with just three drops on 98 targets per Pro Football Focus.

He runs crisp routes, with a Pro-ready arsenal of screen, back-shoulder, hitch, out, slant, cross, and post routes with quick feet able to turn and deceive defenders. He is savvy and knows how to best attack a defensive coverage scheme.

He's an active and strong blocker in the run game. He does a good job of generating yards after the catch. He's experienced functioning in a similar role as Brandon LaFell with the Patriots. He offers great concentration to make contested catches away from his body on the sideline.

He was at his best against the top competition, always rising to the challenge. His quarterback called Lucien "the most competitive person I've been around."

Weaknesses: Thinks he can play smaller than he is and will try to generate more yards with unsuccessful fakes, allowing himself to be gang tackled, instead of just driving forward with his size and picking up the yards in front of him. Seems to go down on first contact on crossers at a higher rate than you would expect. Has burst to get initially get behind the defender, but his second gear isn't exceptional.

Definite questions about why he didn't produce more at UCLA; he transferred to Arizona State so he could have a bigger role in the offense. Is that a knock on the UCLA coaches, or a flag for Lucien? He was behind Shaq Evans (4th round pick by the Jets in 2014), and then Jordan Payton (projected 3rd rounder in 2016 per CBS Draft Rankings), Thomas Duarte (projected 5th round in 2016), and quarterback-conversion (and Patriots predraft visit) Devin Fuller.
Why the Patriots
? New England needs an outside wide receiver and Lucien offers everything that LaFell did, but without any of the drops. I've pounded the table for the Patriots to draft a receiver from a Pro Style offense and Lucien knows all of the routes; he'd be ready to step in and perform early on in his career. He can make plays at every level of the field and he's a competitive, team-oriented player at a cheap draft price. What's not to love?
http://www.patspulpit.com/2016/4/11/11405634/2016-nfl-draft-prospect-profile-arizona-state-wr-devin-lucien-is-a
 

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Karras is limited by his lack of functional athleticism, but his technique combined with moderate body control gives him a chance to fight for a roster spot with a power-based running game looking for tough guys.
Karras' great uncle played the dad on "Webster." Great pick.
Ummm....pretty sure he's remembered better for being the sheriff from Porky's.
Add in Victor/Victoria, and we've got the highlights covered
 

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Threads on the late round guys often get buried, so here's one that serves all of them, including posts from the draft thread.

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R6/#208: Kamu Grugier-Hill, LB
When you are 6-foot-2, run a 4.45 and post the type of explosion numbers Grugier-Hill did at his pro day, you get late-draft attention, especially as a linebacker with ridiculous range. His lack of natural size and strength is a concern, but could be covered up as a 43 WILL linebacker. If he can get his weight up, he might be able to project inside in a 3-4 defense as long as he’s kept clean. Has a shot to be a day three selection and make an NFL team.
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R6/#214: Elandon Roberts, LB
His head coach calls Roberts one of the best leaders he's ever been around and raves about his work ethic and passion for the game. Despite his athletic limitations, Roberts posted outstanding tackle production and was a commanding presence in the box, but his lack of speed and athletic ability create a paper thin margin for error in the NFL that could be tough for Roberts to overcome.
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R6/#221: Ted Karras, G
Karras is limited by his lack of functional athleticism, but his technique combined with moderate body control gives him a chance to fight for a roster spot with a power-based running game looking for tough guys.
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R7/#225: Devin Lucien, WR
Lucien has decent size and speed, but there aren't any physical traits or play traits that have put him squarely on the radar of NFL scouts. Lucien was never much of a factor at UCLA before he transferred as a graduate to Arizona State, but his run over the final three games of the season will be worth digging into a little deeper for evaluators.
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I was thinking KGH as a possible Deone Bucannon type? At least on measurables?
KGH DB
Ht/Wt 6'2 208 6'1 211
BP= 15 19
40= 4.45 4.49
Vert= 38.5 36.5
Broad= 129" 125"
20YDSht= 4.20 4.26
3 cone= 6.89 6.96

Was frankly surprised he was more impressive in so many categories. Bucannon in 2014 was a top performer in everything except the 20 yard shuttle where he was 8th. KGH would have been tied with a bunch of guys for 7th in the BP and top 5 in everything else for the 2014 combine.

Also KGH was a pro day while DB did his at the combine so we need to take that into consideration.
Isnt it pretty well established that there is at lease some slight "home cooking" at pro days? Be it quick stop watches, fast tracks or just that Pro days are generally a few weeks after the combine allowing more time to train for the events.
 

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Isnt it pretty well established that there is at lease some slight "home cooking" at pro days? Be it quick stop watches, fast tracks or just that Pro days are generally a few weeks after the combine allowing more time to train for the events.
I've heard different theories on this. Some tracks are a little faster, but why would a player jump higher at home? Most of the improvement, I think, is because it's a self-selecting group. If you run a good 40 time, you're going to stand on it. You only run again at your pro day if you didn't run well at the Combine and expect to do better the second time.
 

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Good points. Could a better jump be from a "bouncier" surface???

More to your point, often dont the big names skip the combine to have their own day in sun? Better players (who skip the combine) would by extension put up better numbers.
 

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Good points. Could a better jump be from a "bouncier" surface???

More to your point, often dont the big names skip the combine to have their own day in sun? Better players (who skip the combine) would by extension put up better numbers.
I would imagine that a harder surface would cause a better jump, because the elasticity of a soft surface would absorb some of your jumping force. For an extreme example, think beach volleyball versus indoor.
 

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I've heard different theories on this. Some tracks are a little faster, but why would a player jump higher at home? Most of the improvement, I think, is because it's a self-selecting group. If you run a good 40 time, you're going to stand on it. You only run again at your pro day if you didn't run well at the Combine and expect to do better the second time.
A lot of the pro day measurements are hand measurements (especially at smaller schools) - I don't really see how that would affect vert (unless the equipment is set up incorrectly) - but for things like the 3-cone and 40, that probably has a bigger effect than the 'fastness' of the track.

The fact that the player is at home probably helps too - less nerves, better night of sleep, less traveling, etc.