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Possible NFL rule changes for 17/18

Discussion in 'Blinded by the Lombardis: Patriots Forum' started by DrewDawg, May 19, 2017.

  1. DrewDawg

    DrewDawg Dorito Dink SoSH Member

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  2. tims4wins

    tims4wins PN23's replacement SoSH Member

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    Love the 2nd IR player return, don't understand the OT one at all
     
  3. edmunddantes

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    Again it's hard to just change a rule and then extrapolate how things would have gone as strategies might have been different, but this would have changed some of the playoff teams last year.

    Shorter OT
     
  4. DrewDawg

    DrewDawg Dorito Dink SoSH Member

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    Maybe. Teams would have approached it differently though.
     
  5. Rudy's Curve

    Rudy's Curve Member SoSH Member

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    Is there any doubt Marvin Lewis is going to pick up another tie now?
     
  6. Bergs

    Bergs Well-Known Member Gold Supporter SoSH Member

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    Why can't they just admit Thursday night is a trainwreck and drop the whole concept? (yeah, I know...$$$$)
     
  7. DennyDoyle'sBoil

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    I think they should just go to ties. A ten minute overtime seems silly.

    I have no problem with letting games end in ties in the regular season.
     
  8. tims4wins

    tims4wins PN23's replacement SoSH Member

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    I 100% agree with this
     
  9. Ale Xander

    Ale Xander Member SoSH Member

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    I'd actually prefer a longer OT

    Go 20 minutes
    10 minutes in, change half (keep possession)
    Allow ties
    No sudden death even for TDs
    Road team automatically gets ball first
    (Coin tosses are stupid for regular season)
     
  10. InstaFace

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    No sudden death? So you'd just play another quarter and see where it comes out?

    That's a lot of extra wear-and-tear. Player weardown is not linear with the amount of time they're playing - after 60, 70, 80 plays out there you're a lot more susceptible to hurting something with each additional play than you were at the start of the game.
     
  11. tims4wins

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    Here's a proposal: eliminate the clock in OT. Each team gets one drive. If they are tied after that drive, it's a tie. Simple, shorter. Would lead to more ties than the current format, but would also eliminate 10+ minute OT.

    Out of curiosity, I wonder what % of OT games go past 10 minutes.
     
  12. dbn

    dbn Well-Known Member Silver Supporter SoSH Member

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    For the love of all that is good, let's please not turn this into another "hey, here is an outside-the-box idea for NFL OT!" thread.
     
  13. tims4wins

    tims4wins PN23's replacement SoSH Member

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    Fair enough. But is this really that outside the box? It is basically just a meet-in-the-middle solution between the "eliminate OT" position, and the "shorten OT" position.
     
  14. Cousin Walter01

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    I would still like to know why there is any overtime at all for preseason games.
     
  15. NortheasternPJ

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    I would still like to know why anyone really cares. There were 5 games in the last 5 years that ended in a tie. Two of the were last season, but this seems like much ado about nothing. Even games that ended near the end of overtime, how many games is that?

    They've already tweaked it to make it more fair and not have it be sudden death on a FG. I really have no complaints about the existing system.

    I've never thought about wishing the overtime would be over sooner. Usually they end by someone scoring.
     
  16. tims4wins

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    The NFL cares about appearing to care about player safety. #integrity
     
  17. Harry Hooper

    Harry Hooper Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    The NFL also cares about keeping the tv networks happy. Games need to end within their assigned broadcast window.
     
  18. kenneycb

    kenneycb Hates Goose Island Beer; Loves Backdoor Play SoSH Member

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    Wouldn't the most likely get higher ratings during OT than whatever else would be on? Maybe the late Fox game is the exception to that. And that's a big maybe.
     
  19. dbn

    dbn Well-Known Member Silver Supporter SoSH Member

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    CBS-broadcast tied-games should end in a draw; no more late starts for 60 Minutes. FOX-broadcast tied-games should be decided by the visiting-team's starting QB being locked in a steel cage to fight a honey badger. (The NFLPA might object, but it won't really matter.)
     
  20. budcrew08

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    That's how it is in college and it's way more exciting then any NFL OT.
     
  21. Lose Remerswaal

    Lose Remerswaal Leaves after the 8th inning Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    That's not how it is in college games.
     
  22. tims4wins

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    Sounds like the 10 minute OT rule is passing
     
  23. DrewDawg

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    Really? Tell me more about how college games end in ties after each team has a drive in OT.
     
  24. RedOctober3829

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    Tom Pelissero‏Verified account @TomPelissero 3m3 minutes ago
    Roger Goodell is expected to tell NFL owners group celebrations, using ball as prop after TDs, going to ground, snow angels are now allowed.
    Tom Pelissero‏Verified account @TomPelissero 3m3 minutes ago
    Prolonged acts, miming weapons, offensive gestures, sexually suggestive stuff still expected to be banned. That includes twerking. Sorry, AB
    Tom Pelissero‏Verified account @TomPelissero 4m4 minutes ago
    Goodell has been meeting with players for months on this. Emphasis on spontaneous exuberance. Result should be more fun, fewer flags.
     
  25. Kenny F'ing Powers

    Kenny F'ing Powers posts 18% useful shit Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Holy shit, they got one right.
     
  26. RedOctober3829

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  27. loshjott

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    If you consider having NFL refs, in real time, judging what is an offensive gesture vs. a snow angel vs. going to ground vs. using ball as prop (non offensively, non weapony, of course) "getting one right" then yes, they did.
     
  28. Harry Hooper

    Harry Hooper Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Charley Finley loves this change. A whole batch of FA players available all at the same time.
     
  29. dbn

    dbn Well-Known Member Silver Supporter SoSH Member

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    I don't think I like that cut-down change. From both the players and coaches perspectives, step-wise cut-downs allow more flexibility to be picked up and tried out by another team. I wonder what the reasoning is.
     
  30. Harry Hooper

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    My guess is that the coaches were complaining that the more restricted practice hours they have with players now made it harder to evaluate players in time for the old staggered cut-down schedule.
     
  31. Super Nomario

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    I think it's probably better for the end-of-roster guys, who figure to get more reps in the fourth preseason game. It also makes it easier for teams to field a squad for the last preseason game while resting starters.
     
  32. drbretto

    drbretto guidence counselor Silver Supporter SoSH Member

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    I don't think that's very hard to differentiate...

    And I think they got that right, too. Let them have their celebrations, just keep it family friendly.
     
  33. DeadlySplitter

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    re: OT - isn't it very possible a team could drive for over 9 minutes, kick a FG, and leave the other team mostly screwed?

    10+ minute drives do happen [rarely], but 15 minutes don't. so a new problem definitely introduced there.
     
  34. gtg807y

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    Well, yeah, but that happens at the end of regulation all the time.
     
  35. tims4wins

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    But the whole point of the new OT system is to give each team an opportunity, outside of a TD
     
  36. dbn

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    I just did a quick (so I might have mis-counted) look at the 2016 regular season results and it seems that there were 12 OT games in the regular season. That's less than 5% of the games. If a game last 4Q+10minutes, another 5 minutes adds 7% to that game's time. I don't know how many of those OTs lasted more than 10 minutes, but we're talking about removing at most and almost certainly much, much less than 0.35% of playing time from the season... yay, we care about player health!!!!! #NFLISFAMILY
     
  37. DeadlySplitter

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    exactly.

    I'm just imagining Bill grounding and pounding the clock out and if we somehow fail 3rd & Goal, kick with 30 seconds left. now the opposing team has 2 TO and there is still a two-minute warning, so maybe this won't come up.
     
  38. PC Drunken Friar

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    Why would there be a 2 minute warning if BB kicks a FG with 30 seconds left?
     
  39. Tony C

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    um...presumably he's saying the time outs would be used to help keep it from getting to 30 seconds.
     
  40. Kenny F'ing Powers

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    Yeah...this is dumb.

    You can't tell a gun signal from the Irish jig?

    Loosen up a bit.
     
  41. Super Nomario

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    Three pumps = flag, no?
     
  42. JakeRae

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    So what? If you can't stop the other team from putting together a 10 minute drive, you deserve to lose. This isn't a problem.
     
  43. Papelbon's Poutine

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    And if you can't stop the other team from scoring a TD on their first drive, same thing, yet we got national outcry after the SB.

    Just friggin leave it alone. It's all posturing about how the league cares about players health.
     
  44. gtg807y

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    Was there actually a national outcry about that after the Super Bowl? I mean, I'm a Falcons fan and I don't think there is anything unfair about them not getting the ball after the Patriots scored in OT. But me being a Falcons fan also explains why I hadn't heard about a national outcry, since I went out of my way to avoid sports news after. Jesus, why am I still talking about that game?
     
  45. Ralphwiggum

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    I wouldn't say that it rose to the level of "national outcry", but yes predictably after the evil Patriots won in OT by scoring at TD on the opening drive there was an elevated level of discussion about it being "unfair" because the Falcons never got a possession in OT.
     
  46. Spelunker

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    Well, we're suddenly talking about changing the rule, right?
     
  47. richgedman'sghost

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    The intent behind the changing of the OT rule really had nothing to with the Patriots or how they won the Super Bowl. If there was a Deflategate like national outcry over the way the Pats won the Super Bowl, then they would have changed the rule to state that both teams must have the ball at least once in OT even if a touchdown is scored. There is no connection between the two events.
    Do you have any proof of your "national outcry" over the way the Pats won? I fail to see any way the public or NFL acted in a Spygate or Deflategate type response.
     
  48. Papelbon's Poutine

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    You're welcome to quibble with my choice of words, as 'national outcry' is too strong, but it was most certainly a talking point in sports media in the weeks following the SB. Was it Deflategate or Spygate? No and I don't think that was implied, or at least it wasn't intended.

    But it certainly was a hot button issue, sparking debate enough for The Economist to weigh in (http://www.economist.com/blogs/gametheory/2017/02/overtime-rules-american-football) and a lot of media outlets chiming in via columns and TV content on the subject for weeks. We had a thread on it here even (http://sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?threads/overtime-rules.17993/).

    (I'm also not implying the rule change is aimed at the Pats. As someone else stated, I think it's about TV schedules and the faux air of caring about player health, but YMMV.)
     
  49. Pxer

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    It's a minor tweak that really seems to be a bigger story than it should be.
     
  50. Dan Murfman

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