I took ‘league personnel’ to mean team employees and not players, ie coaches, trainers and Dorito Dink types, but I may be misreading it. If I’m not, they aren’t part of the Union.
The NFL and the National Anthem
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That's probably it, stay away from the hornets nest and push the punishment onto the patsies. It's telling wrt the CBA that the owners effectively voted to punish themselves for non-compliance to this rule.
I've gotten behind in this thread and thus have skipped some posts, so sorry if this has been addressed, but anyone claiming that the anthem-kneelers haven't made their point clear is being willfully ignorant.
The other non racist owners are Lurie in Philly and ironically Christopher Johnson the interim owner of the Jets who says he will cover all player fines or suspensions. How could you leave those 2 owners out? I'm honestly curious Tyrone why you call Jeffery Lurie a racist since he has been one of the most vocal Anti Trumpers around. In addition, he now has Bennett, Jenkins, Long etc on the Eagles who are leading the protests. Please provide evidence of Lurie being a racist.
Well Tyrone Biggums lumped Lurie in with all the other racist owners. I was just wondering if he misspoke or if he truly believes Lurie is racist too.
The Eagles sound like they were uninvited from going to the White House tomorrow because all of the players weren't going to stand for the National Anthem. The team offered to send a smaller group to go but from the sounds of the statement from Trump they were told no.
They were. Trump to Eagles: FU
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/390667-trump-disinvites-eagles-from-white-house-visit-plans-different-type
Fans are invited but the players are not.
If DJT didn’t withdraw the invite, the story would’ve been the poor turnout. This narrative is better for him.
Yup. The Trump playbook is out that we all can predict these reactions from him now. Really would like to see the players join together for a symbolic gesture. Maybe have the QBs kneel on the first play of the game for every team. Would obviously never happen but something like that would be pretty powerful.
Philly columnist Marcus Hayes not happy with Trump:
http://www.philly.com/philly/columnists/marcus_hayes/donald-trump-eagles-white-house-invitation-commentary-20180604.html
http://www.philly.com/philly/columnists/marcus_hayes/donald-trump-eagles-white-house-invitation-commentary-20180604.html
Interesting point that he was fine with a non full Patriots roster and Wentz, Peterson and Foles were planning to go (without those three ok).
So I wonder how much was the eagles at the front of the protesting or that Lurie was an HRC donator and not Trump?
You answered your own question.
Really proud of the way Jenkins and Long have handled the protest thing from Day One. They thought things through, especially Jenkins.
I’ve read that fewer than 10 Eagle players were going. Anyone know approximately how many Patriot players went the year prior?
Lurie was one of the biggest donors to Hilary Clinton's campaign. He also has been a big supporter of Malcolm Jenkins and the protest movement. Lurie presumably was ok with any of his players skipping the now canceled White House visit and did not exert any pressure on his players to attend. We do not even know if he voted for the anthem ban since there was no official vote. Chances are Jeff Lurie was against the ban. I just don't get particularly after yesterday's actions and also viewed in the lens of his greater life activities and achievements anyone can simply throw out the racist accusation aginst Lurie. It is simply "lazy".
Your correction has been noted. Repeatedly. It has no bearing on the larger discussion, which is how the league is handling the anthem protests.
The original, off-hand, omission of Lurie in the "owners who might not be racist" tangent wasn't "lazy", it was an immaterial oversight. The owners, as a group, are succumbing to Trump's pressure. Whatever Lurie's personal reservations might be, or whatever is public statements have been, did not end up impacting league policy. Lurie's personal outlook is a footnote.
Yeah, but... #NotAllOwners. Let's everybody take a second to remember that. Please won't someone remember the owners, they aren't regarded enough. There will be mandatory pilgrimages to the various shrines of the owners deemed Most Worthy, and then we will rename the months after them. Lurieber, Kraftuary, etc.
Department of Oops:
No Eagles knelt during the anthem last season, so Fox News used some unrelated footage of an Eagle player kneeling in prayer.
No Eagles knelt during the anthem last season, so Fox News used some unrelated footage of an Eagle player kneeling in prayer.
I still think the NFLPA should all get together and have all teams skip the first 2 or so weeks of Anthems by staying in the locker. Simply state that by singling out a portion of their Union, the union has voted to take the right given to the players by the owners to remain in the locker room to avoid singling out individual members of it's union based on their beliefs.
I would stand an applaud this every time it happened, as a side note I'm not sure I've in my entire life been so pro-union as I am for the NFL players right now. Even as a Pat's fan with a ticking clock in Brady's legacy I'd be 100% ok with a lockout right now.
Why do you think that there isn't a substantial % of players that think kneeling for the anthem is 100% wrong and disrespectful. I bet a huge number of players and coaches agree with the rule.
This is probably true; but I think a significant number of them would be willing to help their teammates not be singled out.
But that's what these things are - photo ops for the president. I've never been a fan and are hoping that this is the end of it permanently.
God Bless America is a pile of horseshit of a song and it’s a point in Trump’s favor that he doesn’t know the words.
LeBron continues to impress...Says no way will Golden State or Cleveland (heh heh) go to the White House and that they "don't (even) want an invite."
This is the reason why the NBA doesn't have players kneeling. They are allowed to speak their minds (and do it).
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23706091/lebron-james-cleveland-cavaliers-stephen-curry-golden-state-warriors-says-nba-champion-want-white-house-invite
This is the reason why the NBA doesn't have players kneeling. They are allowed to speak their minds (and do it).
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23706091/lebron-james-cleveland-cavaliers-stephen-curry-golden-state-warriors-says-nba-champion-want-white-house-invite
And hopefully the end of the National Anthem and flyovers and such at sports events, right?
Nothing to do with the rule that says they can't kneel, I am sure.
We would be better off if we followed the British (at least for the Premier league) model and restricted our patriotic celebrations at sporting events to things like major championships, national team events and Veterans / Memorial day. The EPL remembrance day celebrations in November seem much more impactful because you know they don't do things like that every game. As an American, I don't feel any more patriotic because we spent ten minutes before a pre-season game in a massive patriotic display. As "one of the troops" I don't feel like America appreciates us any more or less when there is a fly over. Though, from an aviation nerd perspective, some flyovers are really well done and most Americans don't get enough opportunities to see what their tax dollars are paying for.
As for visits to the White House, as someone stated above, they are just a stupid opportunity for the POTUS to wrap himself in someone else' glory that he had nothing to do with. The politics around them, whether this nonsense from Trump, or Tim Thomas being made out to be a bad teammate and person, are noxious. As for the WHCD, that is what got us Trump, so buyer beware.
I would like to see the receipts from the Trump Admin on the Eagles really booking 81 slots at the White House and then telling the White House three days prior that they were only bringing 10. IF that is real, and I am not inclined to trust them, then Lurie is an asshole here as well.
Could not agree more with all except the last sentence. (And I don't really disagree, it's just that I don't feel that sporting events are the venue for it.)
I can't even remember when the "tradition" of a White House visit for major championship winners started (I think it was with Reagan) but it's time has come and gone.
The WHCD is an utterly repulsive orgy of self-importance.
We're kind of at the point where every assertion from the White House has to be treated as a shameless lie, aren't we? What a world ...
But the display itself costs tax dollars, right? Wouldn't most Americans prefer to see their tax dollars used to repair crumbling bridges or to provide healthcare for those who don't have it rather than on some useless fucking circle jerk? I know I would.
Can we make an exception for all games against Canadian teams so we get to hear Oh Canada?