Pedroia on DL

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So quick look at Pearce's time at 2nd base tells me he wasn't great, but probably not a total butcher either. It also tells me he hasn't played there in 2 years so who knows what level he'd play it at now.

I guess the question is how much worse of a defender is he today than Nunez and how much of that might be made up for by his offense.

Based on the fact that no one played him at 2nd last year or this year, I'm going to guess the answer is that he's bad enough that his offense really doesn't make up for it. Now if something happened to Nunez or Holt during a game, I'd guess he's moved above Swihart on the emergency 2b depth chart, but that's probably it.
 

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It has to be killing Pedey that he's not part of this amazing run.
 

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Red Sox just announced Pedey had additional surgery in July and will be out the rest of this season (shocking no one).
 

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It's amazing to think of what this team has done with him on the shelf all year.
 

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So, Dustin is 35 years old and has only topped 105 games once in the last 4 years. Hes got 3 years left on his contract. What's the chance he registers more than 1000 at bats?
 

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So, Dustin is 35 years old and has only topped 105 games once in the last 4 years. Hes got 3 years left on his contract. What's the chance he registers more than 1000 at bats?
There's a chance he's not even an upgrade at 2b when healthy. Can't really plan around him. His power has been in decline for quite awhile now too.
 

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I love him but kinda wish he would retire to help our huge payroll. Didn't Ryan Dempster do that while still under contract several years ago when he felt he couldn't contribute?
 

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I love him but kinda wish he would retire to help our huge payroll. Didn't Ryan Dempster do that while still under contract several years ago when he felt he couldn't contribute?
He did it after we won the WS in 2013. He had 1 year and 13.250 mil left.
 

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I love him but kinda wish he would retire to help our huge payroll. Didn't Ryan Dempster do that while still under contract several years ago when he felt he couldn't contribute?
Dempster left one year and $13M on the table when he retired. And the team wasn't anywhere close to cap trouble.

Pedroia leaving 3/30 on the table seems far-fetched to me.
 

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Dempster left one year and $13M on the table when he retired. And the team wasn't anywhere close to cap trouble.

Pedroia leaving 3/30 on the table seems far-fetched to me.
I agree but Pedroia doesn't seem the type who would want to play for 3 more years if he's absolutely terrible. I think the Sox cutting him would be more likely than him leaving money on the table though. He'd have to be very bad for either one of those things to happen.
 

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I agree but Pedroia doesn't seem the type who would want to play for 3 more years if he's absolutely terrible. I think the Sox cutting him would be more likely than him leaving money on the table though. He'd have to be very bad for either one of those things to happen.
Oh, I could definitely see him retiring rather than struggling through the length of his deal. I just don't see him doing it with three years on his deal. The earliest I think he'd retire is after next year if it is a repeat of this year or if he is relatively healthy but can't play to his standards.
 

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I doubt it. I see him as one of those guys who love playing. Leaving it (to say nothing of $30M) isn’t his style.
 

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Dempster left one year and $13M on the table when he retired. And the team wasn't anywhere close to cap trouble.

Pedroia leaving 3/30 on the table seems far-fetched to me.

If Dempster did not retire they exceed the threshold based on the final numbers on Cotts

Pedroia has 40 million remaining and will lose a lower percentage of it due to taxes than Dempster He would be a fool to leave it. If he can't play the Red Sox should do the honorable thing and cut him. If they didnt insure him thats their fault.

I didn't understand Dempster. Said he wanted to spend time with family and then took a broadcasting gig mid season. Makes you wonder
 

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Pedroia has $40M remaining on his Red Sox contract, but we saw Dempster retire, vacating $13M remaining on his contract.

The only question is what is the cost of bringing the player's objectives into alignment with the ownership objective?

If life teaches us anything it is: "Everything is negotiable."

 

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I'd personally like to roll the dice on seeing if Pedroia has anything left in the tank.

Like nearly everybody else, I'm skeptical, but I think he's more than earned a chance to prove himself before we cast him aside. The money is already sunk, let's at least see if there's any value left to be had.

(I'd very much like to keep a Kinsler-type around if possible in case Pedey doesn't defy the odds, though.)
 

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I'd personally like to roll the dice on seeing if Pedroia has anything left in the tank.

Like nearly everybody else, I'm skeptical, but I think he's more than earned a chance to prove himself before we cast him aside. The money is already sunk, let's at least see if there's any value left to be had.

(I'd very much like to keep a Kinsler-type around if possible in case Pedey doesn't defy the odds, though.)
We being us here or the Sox?

The Sox aren’t cutting him. It’s not happening. 0.0% chance, but that’s just my opinion, obviously. He’s meant too much to the organization to be tossed aside for a roster spot on the 25. I also don’t think there’s a chance hell he doesn’t try to come back and is given every opportunity to. How that plays out remains to be seen.

It’d be great to have a Kinsler type as backup, but I think it’s an either or. Kinsler only has one or two more small pay days/year’s left, I doubt highly he signs up as a contingency plan. He can go play 120 games elsewhere and get a nice little cap off to his bank account.
 

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I think the Pedroia back-up plan for 2019 is the same as it was for 2018...Nunez and Holt. They're both under team control for next year for low money (probably $8M total). They were adequate fill-ins at 2B while Pedroia was down. If Pedey is healthy, Nunez can be the back-up infielder and Holt will vie with Swihart for the super utility role.
 

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Nunez has been terrible this year. He has something like -1.2 bWar, I hope they cut him and give Lin a shot
 

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Nunez has been terrible this year. He has something like -1.2 bWar, I hope they cut him and give Lin a shot
Nunez costs $2mil to cut or $4 mil to keep. There is no way they are cutting him, especially with all the questions around Dustin.
 

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We being us here or the Sox?

The Sox aren’t cutting him. It’s not happening. 0.0% chance, but that’s just my opinion, obviously. He’s meant too much to the organization to be tossed aside for a roster spot on the 25. I also don’t think there’s a chance hell he doesn’t try to come back and is given every opportunity to. How that plays out remains to be seen.

It’d be great to have a Kinsler type as backup, but I think it’s an either or. Kinsler only has one or two more small pay days/year’s left, I doubt highly he signs up as a contingency plan. He can go play 120 games elsewhere and get a nice little cap off to his bank account.
I am sure Kinsler wants another payday or two. That sounds reasonable. But it is not as if it is essential for his financial well being. Thus far in his career, Kinsler has earned $103,017,708. At this stage of his career he may see other factors as being important as much as final paydays.
 

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I am sure Kinsler wants another payday or two. That sounds reasonable. But it is not as if it is essential for his financial well being. Thus far in his career, Kinsler has earned $103,017,708. At this stage of his career he may see other factors as being important as much as final paydays.
It's not about money, it's about playing time. At this point in his career, Kinsler is unlikely to want to sit in the dugout cheering on his teammates, while serving as the contingency plan.
 

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Nunez has been terrible this year. He has something like -1.2 bWar, I hope they cut him and give Lin a shot
Take out Nunez’s fielding at second base and he has a positive dWAR because he’s kind of OK at third base. He’s also positive for offensive WAR. Of course, the discussion here is Nunez as a second baseman. I bet the Sox keep him though. Devers isn’t exactly setting the world on for at third either.
 

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  • I didn’t realize Nunez had a cheap team option out there. That plus Holt and Lin, as well as forgotten man Quiroz, who had a very solid but injury riddled year in AA is enough insurance against Pedroia being unable to play next year.

Another thing with Nunez is that if they cut him, the buyout gets charged to this year’s luxury tax account, I think. Whereas if they keep him the option goes entirely to next year’s calculation. So if they’re still squeaking by, that’s a strong incentive to pick up the option.