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Discussion in 'Blinded by the Lombardis: Patriots Forum' started by RedOctober3829, Mar 2, 2019.
Not a surprise. His salary was high for an exclusively blocking TE.
I hope this means 87 is coming back. It doesn't have to, of course, as Allen's price tag was too big, just hoping for more Gronk.
I assume that he could sign for much less. His cap hit was really high. Good cut, though.
Pats should have around $25 million in cap space now.
Does that include the cap being 188M?
They can probably bring him back at like $3M right?
I still remember his block at the end of the Jag AFCCG to free Lewis, the man can block.
Yes. They had just over $17 as of yesterday after the 188 announcement. Allen’s cap hit was around $7 with no dead money.
Hope he comes back at a low number.
My guess is that he will not be back. He was a beast as a blocker in 2017, but that seemed to decline a lot in 2018. I have to think that that level of contribution can be had for a much lower number (like UDFA level) and likely with more pass-catching upside.
According to PFF, Allen is the same height and only 10 lbs more than Develin. I’d rather they just use JD at TE2
He's too valuable at FB to line him up at TE.
My guess is also that the FB position is somewhat punishing and you may want to limit the number of plays he’s on the field.
They have seventh-round pick Ryan Izzo from last year. He was considered a pretty good blocker in this mold.
Also keep in mind as a now-FA destination angle that Allen might want to do more than block which is basically all the Pats wanted him to do.
In his full 4 years as a Colt (missed one whole year), he caught 125 passes and 18 TDs. That is how he got a salary that now outstrips his value as a blocker only.
Yup. And he’s 29. This is his last bite at the apple and he needs to make it count. He’s been to 2 SBs and won 1. His Patriots time went exactly as he could have hoped. Now, he needs to cash in as much as he can. If he wants to come back at a reduced rate and the Pats want him, I’m all for it.
And then who plays FB?
I think the Pats would love to have had Allen catch more passes. The disappointment was THEIRS in his ability, or lack thereof, to contribute fluidly in the passing game.
I think they were perfectly fine with what he contributed as a blocker and saw value in it. Now, not so much. They had a pass catching TE and he was never going to be a ‘two headed monster’ like Gronk and Sweetleaf. Yes, they probably hoped he caught more balls but stuff like this is tough as we don’t know game plans. They may have just said ‘he’s a third tackle’.
Oh, I agree. My point is that the idea he'll go somewhere else that will "let" him participate in the passing game misses the point that, in New England, Allen wound up just a blocking TE. An exceptional blocking TE, for sure, but that's not the descriptor you want for a guy at that price.
All the comments above make sense about moving on... which means they will soon sign him to a deal that leaves everyone scratching their heads. It got me thinking more in the managerial sense, just how valuable a known entity is. This goes beyond football. Knowing what you have, warts and all, is very valuable. Potential and "talent" and possibility has a high failure rate.
He’s already made $29 Million in his career and is on the downside. I don’t think he’s expecting to play hard to get or that lots of teams will be throwing cash at him.
I was thinking for 12 personnel.
It’s pretty rare they play 22 personnel (part of the reason why it surprised the Rams in the fourth quarter). My thought was that Develin could stay on the field for both 12 (as FB) and 21 (as TE2).
But I’ll concede the point about it may be too much drain physically but I have no idea about that.
Yeah. In his first half season they were throwing to him a decent amount and his hands were TERRIBLE.
He dropped a pass on the very first play from scrimmage in 2017.
A good predictor if things to come
Didn’t really imply that but maximizing his return would be a good idea.
I'm told that the #Ravens, #Bills, #Dolphins & #Lions have preliminary interest in meeting with street free agent TE Dwayne Allen, who played last season with the #patriots, per source. Allen officially was listed on the league's transaction report today.
Looks like he is a Dolphin
"Free Agent TE Dwayne Allen just text me, "I'm going to sign with the #Dolphins.""
Good for him. Enjoy the sun for a couple years, Dwayne.
But make sure you rent, says Danny Amendola.