Patriots trade for Eagles CB Eric Rowe for conditional 4th. Kline not part of deal, is released.

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After seeing that breakdown, he is exactly what I thought he is. He's this year's Browner only much more athletic and can be moved around between CB and safety. He has the same shortcoming as Browner in that he can't cover smaller, shifty WR's.
Good summary.
I think he'll be great for you. He'll be used in a lots of ways I bet. And Eagles fans will be pissed in a year.
I'm pissed now.

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Note by the way that this guy is talking about Rowe as a number 1 press corner in his sophomore season. He was just traded for a depth guard they are looking to move already and a 4th.
He's not even expensive! So dumb. Fucking politics.
 

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that;s a cool breakdown.
I did laugh though at the line about being disappointed that a guy with 4.45 speed couldn't catch John Brown (4.34 at the combine and maybe the fastest WR in the league in pads).
Yep, really good article with revealing analysis -- but some of the ways he framed his expectations were a bit over the top.

After seeing that breakdown, he is exactly what I thought he is. He's this year's Browner only much more athletic and can be moved around between CB and safety. He has the same shortcoming as Browner in that he can't cover smaller, shifty WR's.
Hopefully. In any case, I think it's certainly a fair expectation that he's a good complement to the generally smaller Pats' CBs, and that's a very needed thing.
 

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@AdamSchefter: OL Josh Kline no longer will be included in trade sending CB Eric Rowe to Patriots. Kline remains Patriots property and could be released.
 

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So what's the additional draft comp going Philly's way?
 

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He looked like he kept pace with Sammy Watkins; what more speed do you need?
It's more his closing speed, but he also struggled a bit to keep up with guys when he didn't get a good press at the line. He is far from slow, but he didn't blow anyone away with his speed last year, which I think fans expected from his combine times
 

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Philly tried to move him, not happy with expected return?
 

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It would make more sense if Philly was trying to deal an OL they have and when that fell through their interest in backfilling with Kline disappeared. We kind of know Kline has minimal if any trade value don't we?
 

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Good summary.
I think he'll be great for you. He'll be used in a lots of ways I bet. And Eagles fans will be pissed in a year.
I'm pissed now.

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Note by the way that this guy is talking about Rowe as a number 1 press corner in his sophomore season. He was just traded for a depth guard they are looking to move already and a 4th.
He's not even expensive! So dumb. Fucking politics.
Hold on, this is not a reasonable assessment. To imply politics is not an accurate statement; Roseman did deal Alonso, Maxwell and Bradford....because moving them was 110 percent the right move. Chip was a horrible GM. Roseman has hung on to Huff, Matthews and Johnson who were purebred Chip guys. He Went to the ends of the earth (per the media) to convince Thurmond to stay, and he was a Chip guy.

The guy you linked to, while he had some nice analysis, definitely had on his fan goggles, which is what you would expect from an Eagles site. Even in the film, He got torched by Pierre Garçon, who is 376 years old.

Roseman is certainly powerful right now, but Schwartz has a lot of credibility as well. I don't know Jim Schwartz on a personal level, but his style seems to indicate a zero bullshit approach. if he felt that Rowe could be a starting CB in the near future I doubt he would have let him leave. We play in a division where our competition all have strong WR1 and pretty darned good WR2.

Rowe was a good kid, had some good potential and may end up being good. But let's not clutch pearls here.
 

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Interesting.

Back before the 2015 draft, Reiss had flagged Rowe as a possible Patriot in his "Beyond the First Round" analysis of CBs.

Here's what he wrote at the time:

"Middle rounds: Eric Rowe (Utah) -- The 6-foot-1, 205-pound Rowe has excellent testing results at the combine, running a 4.45 in the 40, putting up 19 repetitions on the bench press, a 39-inch vertical leap and a 6.70 time in the 3-cone drill. A taller, longer cornerback in this year's crop of prospects, he was a three-year starter at safety before moving to corner and might not make it out of the second round."

http://www.espn.com/blog/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4780126/patriots-beyond-the-first-round-cornerback
 

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Hold on, this is not a reasonable assessment. To imply politics is not an accurate statement; Roseman did deal Alonso, Maxwell and Bradford....because moving them was 110 percent the right move. Chip was a horrible GM. Roseman has hung on to Huff, Matthews and Johnson who were purebred Chip guys. He Went to the ends of the earth (per the media) to convince Thurmond to stay, and he was a Chip guy.

The guy you linked to, while he had some nice analysis, definitely had on his fan goggles, which is what you would expect from an Eagles site. Even in the film, He got torched by Pierre Garçon, who is 376 years old.

Roseman is certainly powerful right now, but Schwartz has a lot of credibility as well. I don't know Jim Schwartz on a personal level, but his style seems to indicate a zero bullshit approach. if he felt that Rowe could be a starting CB in the near future I doubt he would have let him leave. We play in a division where our competition all have strong WR1 and pretty darned good WR2.

Rowe was a good kid, had some good potential and may end up being good. But let's not clutch pearls here.
I think he got good return from them for the most part. Though I never had a huge issue with Maxwell, Alonso was cheap and almost worthless. Rowe was a second round pick they dumped without a glaring better player on roster for a 4th (deferred so a fifth really). Bradford was a great move.

But let's be clear here, Kelly has been gone one offseason, not one game has been played in anger and there are 5 players Kelly acquired left on the roster.

Agholor (who is on the edge)
Hicks - starter (but Tullock brought in behind note) and the exception
Ryan Matthews- for one more year
Sturgis who came in as a injury desperation move and Parkey was awful in camp
Means, who might be the last guy on the roster right now.

Next year? Pretty good argument there will be one left. Hicks.

Kelly tried to purge Roseman's roster the year before. This kind of upheaval is destructive, imo.

Kelly got rid of: Fletcher, Casey, Allen, Polk, MAtthews, Smith, Mccoy, Mathis, Maclin, Jackson, Herremans, Foles and Trent Cole.
Vast majority of them by the way good moves. Jackson and Mathis clearly not so much, esp for nothing. McCoy I never minded but hated the Murray move which more than offset it. You can argue about if they should have paid up for Maclin, but since the tampering case maybe didn't matter.

Roseman has traded Maxwell, Murray, Bradford, Rowe, Alonso and Kelly. Has cut Parkey, Hart, Shepherd, Copper, Ryans, Evans, Gardner, Rice.

As far as I'm concerned Rowe wasn't given much of a shot. He was never given a shot at running with the frist team all campo, Ron freakin' Brooks was preferred. Sorry that's nonsense.
There's one kelly guy the team likes, Hicks and one they hope can turn it round, Agholor. That's it.

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And if you don't think it says something that they agreed a deal and now are agreeing the deal without the player coming the other way I don't know what to say. There is no urgency to move Rowe, esp for a year deferred 4th. The whole thing stinks
 

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Does anyone know what happened with Kline? Is it really that the Eagles preferred not to have him as part of the deal once they determined he wasn't able to be flipped? It sounds like it isn't a health thing.
 

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So what's the additional draft comp going Philly's way?
Doubt there is much if any. Maybe some adjustment to the playing time stipulations attached to the third rounder which Im not sure we'd ever know about?

Sort of an odd situation, definitely seems like there is some missing information that we don't know about, but doesn't seem like its going to affect the rest of the trade much.
 

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Cutting Kline is weird. He was arguably (him or Vollmer) their best lineman last year, their most experienced interior guy, and a player who could figure to back up any interior spot.

The obvious thing is to see this as a reflection on the health of Cooper and / or Mason, but I think it says a lot about Karras, too. He figures to be the backup center now, and with Cooper only under contract for another season, he could be the RG of the future.
 

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I think he got good return from them for the most part. Though I never had a huge issue with Maxwell, Alonso was cheap and almost worthless. Rowe was a second round pick they dumped without a glaring better player on roster for a 4th (deferred so a fifth really). Bradford was a great move.

But let's be clear here, Kelly has been gone one offseason, not one game has been played in anger and there are 5 players Kelly acquired left on the roster.

Agholor (who is on the edge)
Hicks - starter (but Tullock brought in behind note) and the exception
Ryan Matthews- for one more year
Sturgis who came in as a injury desperation move and Parkey was awful in camp
Means, who might be the last guy on the roster right now.

Next year? Pretty good argument there will be one left. Hicks.

Kelly tried to purge Roseman's roster the year before. This kind of upheaval is destructive, imo.

Kelly got rid of: Fletcher, Casey, Allen, Polk, MAtthews, Smith, Mccoy, Mathis, Maclin, Jackson, Herremans, Foles and Trent Cole.
Vast majority of them by the way good moves. Jackson and Mathis clearly not so much, esp for nothing. McCoy I never minded but hated the Murray move which more than offset it. You can argue about if they should have paid up for Maclin, but since the tampering case maybe didn't matter.

Roseman has traded Maxwell, Murray, Bradford, Rowe, Alonso and Kelly. Has cut Parkey, Hart, Shepherd, Copper, Ryans, Evans, Gardner, Rice.

As far as I'm concerned Rowe wasn't given much of a shot. He was never given a shot at running with the frist team all campo, Ron freakin' Brooks was preferred. Sorry that's nonsense.
There's one kelly guy the team likes, Hicks and one they hope can turn it round, Agholor. That's it.

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And if you don't think it says something that they agreed a deal and now are agreeing the deal without the player coming the other way I don't know what to say. There is no urgency to move Rowe, esp for a year deferred 4th. The whole thing stinks
OK, just to provide some context, I have had an insanely busy day and am about 6 beers and 7 tacos deep over the last hour.

I feel like your assessment of "Kelly guys" is limited to personnel that Chip picked up in his one year as capo del tutti capi, but his release of Jackson (worst move ever in the history of ever. The only time I have ever been ashamed of Jeffrey Lurie. No gang ties. Awful) led to the drafting of Matthews and Huff and were, without doubt, "Chip moves."

Looking back, at all the drafts in the Chip era I think there are other guys that are generally attributed to Chip. While no one seems to want to take responsibility for Marcus Smith (fair enough), he is still here. Ed Reynolds was given every damn chance to make the team and Beau Allen is still around from Chip's second draft.

Chip's first draft - which Howie probably had the loudest voice in of the 3 - was actually a decent draft with Johnson, Ertz, Bennie Logan and Wolff being the headliners. Johnson and Ertz were both "Chip guys." When you look at it that way this flame war seems a bit less.......flamey? Is that a thing?

I don't feel great that a guy we picked with a 2nd round pick was dealt for a 4th round selection a year later. That seems like a bad thing. But I do feel that the Eagles were able to evaluate Rowe with talented humans eyeballing him and in a fairly unbiased manner.

Final point.....how ere the majority of Chip's moves good moves?

- Getting rid of Jackson was hideous on every level.
- Losing Maclin was stupid but I hear where you are coming from regarding the tampering. Guys like playing for Andy too, that is a real thing.
- Cutting Mathis was beyond stupid. Just stupidy McStupid pants. That stupid.
- I can't kill him for the McCoy move as I liked it at the time, but the guys we acquired sucked balls and bringing in the pu pu platter of running backs in return as opposed to just going Sproles + Shady was surprising.
- Getting rid of Trent Cole was an OK move. He had a decent season in Indianapolis and still sets a good edge, but I can see how, if he was asking for "sack artist" money he needed to go. And Curry and Graham needed more snaps.
- Getting rid of Foles for Bradford was beyond stupid. It was the herpes of football transactions and not the HPV type where it is OK to have it where you are a dude. I mean the herpes that itches and hurts. Foles worked in our system and was healthy. Bradford was neither. Oh, and we gave up picks.

Back to the beer. And tacos.
 

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I can't defend Chip as a GM. Can't and won't. Marcus Smith has been reported repeated as a Roseman pick though.

I also can't criticise many of Roseman's moves this year (I'd call the Vikings a total fluke, as- as you say- the Bradford move by Kelly appears awful, but post this trade it's really not so bad).
But I do think ti's clear if you were brought in by Chip for Chip and there is remotely any value in moving you, and there is a remotely comparable player available it's over.
This is why Huff, Agholor and Mathews are still there for example.

If the players are good enough the team will ignore, see Hicks, which means it's not pathological.

I'll drop it, it's not like it matters that much, until they play Tulloch over Hicks. If they do that, I'll be back.
 

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I'll drop it, it's not like it matters that much, until they play Tulloch over Hicks. If they do that, I'll be back.
If that happens and the defense isn't 2015 Broncos-level amazing I will be the "Drunk naked guy" who is trying to set fire to the Novacare complex about whom you read at the bottom of your twitter feed.