Patriots Sign Stephon Gilmore
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Why would Malcolm Butler report to camp if he doesn't get an extension after Gilmore's payday?
They either pay up or he's gone I think.
They either pay up or he's gone I think.
I mean, if they do land a 1st for Butler, and then trade Jimmy, this could be a team with three first-round picks in this year's draft. Maybe more if Cleveland lost their collective minds to acquire Jimmy.
Discuss for another thread, but there has to be another shoe to drop here, no? Gilmore, plus a 1st for Butler, re-sign Hightower, and roll into next season with a younger corner at #2 (whether that's Jones - which I understand is doubtful - or a rookie).
Discuss for another thread, but there has to be another shoe to drop here, no? Gilmore, plus a 1st for Butler, re-sign Hightower, and roll into next season with a younger corner at #2 (whether that's Jones - which I understand is doubtful - or a rookie).
Yeah, expected them to make a big defensive signing and this was on the list of possibilities. Also gives them some insurance if they cant reup Butler.
Well...that and the sack where he spun Jets-Favre around like a drunken square dancing partner before driving him to the turf.
That's not at all true. Granted, the Pats aren't in salary cap hell and facing the "poison pill" contract scenario. And yes, Butler comes with a first round pick tax. But it's not out of the question that someone offers something for him that Bill won't match. It's entirely possible.
Is it overly optimistic to think that Rowe with a full camp/learning experience etc can develop into a solid+ CB?
Yup. My memory was that ADT was much better in 08 than 07 until he got hurt.
As for Ryan replacement and Cyrus, is there anyone else currently on the roster who could be a dark horse? Am I misremembering or did Jonathan Jones start getting CB snaps in the last few games of the year?
If Butler doesn't get an offer from another team he plays for the 1st round tender money next season right?
Hmmm. I could be on board with this.
I can't believe that after all the worrying about if they can keep Jones, Collins, Hightower and/or Butler we may be at the point where none of them are back and it's quite possible they'd still be Super Bowl contenders.
So let's just say BB heard whispers a team was planning this.. Would you rather have Gilmore as insurance not to be backed into a corner and to be able to take the first rounder or no Gilmore all the FA's are gobbled up( very likely) and only the pick no butler and no one of comparable talent to spend the $ on ?
The thing is, the teams that would have the necessary cap space to sign Butler are picking near the top of the draft. Would you trade a top 15 pick and shell out a big contract for Butler? I wouldn't in a million years.
To go from an undrafted guy, to Super Bowl hero, to pro bowler and then to a guy a team gives "max" money PLUS a 1st rounder would be an incredible story. Either way, he's in a hell of a spot.
I thought Rowe did a pretty decent job coming in mid-season. A big CB who played tight coverage.
If Butler plays under the first round tender, then gets franchised next year, in essence the Pats are paying him around $19M for two seasons. Then they could let him walk in 2019 when he turns 29. Not totally out of the question.
I have no idea how to verify this beyond using our collective memories but it seemed like there were a bunch of plays where Rowe was right on someone and they made a great catch and/or he was flagged for a weak DPI.
For a midseason acquisition I agree he did a fine job.
I think it's more likely that Hightower is gone than Butler. They'd rather spend the money on a CB than a linebacker.
What makes you believe that? The Pats signed Mayo to an extension in recent memory. If Ed Werder is to be believed, Hightower is looking for 10-13M a year. That seems reasonable to me.
I'd love for New Orleans to give up the younger, better player under an extra year of control and let the Pats move up 21 spots in the first round, but I don't think that happens...
I do think there's room for a mega trade with New Orleans, though.
You really think Cooks is the better player than Malcolm Butler? I don't at all.
I agree. I was saying "no, I dont think its too optimistic because he contributed last year". He played pretty well in favorable matchups.
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The New England Patriots are considering trading Malcolm Butler to the New Orleans Saints for Brandin Cooks per sources
The New England Patriots are considering trading Malcolm Butler to the New Orleans Saints for Brandin Cooks per sources
Given the age difference, I would probably take Cooks, though Butler is arguably at a more valuable position. I would say they are pretty evenly matched.
If Butler waits a year and signs a deal similar to Gilmore, say 4/56, he'd make 5/60 including this year's 1st rd tender. So a team would have to offer 5/60 or maybe 4/48 for him to sign this year, plus lose a 1st. Would the Pats match $12m per year? They would probably match something lower, but Not sure if Butler would sign for lower than that, even with the risk of getting injured or havign a down season
In this scenario, would NO and NE be able to collude to some extent where NO makes an offer to Butler, NE matches it and then they trade. I am
not sure why they (i.e, NO) would not just sign Butler and lose the pick, then on a separate but parallel track, flip Cooks for #32?
The Jimmy G Franchise/Trade scenario after the season could mess this up.
Both teams would be subject to the Wrath of Roger it they attempted any sort of funny business.
About the only thing that can happen is that NO can talk to Butler's agent about his willingness to sign an extension with the Saints, as Butler is an RFA.
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In a hypothetical Butler/32 for Cooks/11 scenario but there's currently no reason to believe something like that is on the table.
hypothetical: question IF Pats/NO trade Butler for Cooks today and Butler then signs with the Jets tomorrow, then NO would get the Jets #1?
That's insane. I don't understand the infatuation with Cooks. Please walk away Bill.
If NO intends to keep Cooks absent a big offer that may or may not come, I have no idea why Payton is allowing reporters to attribute his name to these comments.
Not that BB cares, but trading Butler will bring some wrath from a portion of both the media and fans...not quite getting rid of Kosar, but close.