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Today's injury report
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CB J.C. Jackson, Illness
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DT Christian Barmore, Foot
LB Ja'Whaun Bentley, Ribs
DL Carl Davis, Hand
S Cody Davis, Hand
S Kyle Dugger, Neck
K Nick Folk, Left Knee
LB Dont'a Hightower, Ankle
G Shaq Mason, Abdomen
TE Jonnu Smith, Shoulder
LB Josh Uche, Shoulder
LB Kyle Van Noy, Groin
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CB J.C. Jackson, Illness
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DT Christian Barmore, Foot
LB Ja'Whaun Bentley, Ribs
DL Carl Davis, Hand
S Cody Davis, Hand
S Kyle Dugger, Neck
K Nick Folk, Left Knee
LB Dont'a Hightower, Ankle
G Shaq Mason, Abdomen
TE Jonnu Smith, Shoulder
LB Josh Uche, Shoulder
LB Kyle Van Noy, Groin
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I can't even find a mention of him anywhere in weeks. Oct 16th is the last date of any article I can find that mentions him, it's like he disappeared.
edit: to be clear, there are tweets mentioning that he IS NOT at practice, but I'm not counting that as news
Josh said yesterday that Brown is working hard and they hope to have him back ASAP.
View: https://twitter.com/ZackCoxNESN/status/1455575036929224721?s=20
Gilmore praises Belichick but not the way the team handled his injury:
Just days away from facing his former team, the New England Patriots, Carolina Panthers cornerback Stephon Gilmore expressed disappointment in the way he was dealt with by the Pats -- both on and off the field.
"I wasn't ready at the beginning of training camp, I'm going to be completely honest with you. The only thing [was] I just didn't like how they handled my situation with my injury," he said Wednesday during a conference call with the media. "A lot went on with that that I didn't agree with and now that I am here, I am able to do the things I need to do to get me back and be ready to where I need to be."
https://www.nfl.com/news/stephon-gilmore-disappointed-in-how-patriots-handled-my-situation-with-my-injury
Just days away from facing his former team, the New England Patriots, Carolina Panthers cornerback Stephon Gilmore expressed disappointment in the way he was dealt with by the Pats -- both on and off the field.
"I wasn't ready at the beginning of training camp, I'm going to be completely honest with you. The only thing [was] I just didn't like how they handled my situation with my injury," he said Wednesday during a conference call with the media. "A lot went on with that that I didn't agree with and now that I am here, I am able to do the things I need to do to get me back and be ready to where I need to be."
https://www.nfl.com/news/stephon-gilmore-disappointed-in-how-patriots-handled-my-situation-with-my-injury
I guess he wanted to rehab in ways that the training staff was not on board with?
But are we supposed to believe that because he was traded a month ago and is now able to do his prefered rehab is the reason he was able to play less than a month later? Would he not come off PuP and have been out for the entire year if he was not traded?
This feels like a convenient excuse to explain why he refused to play for $7 million for the Pats but is now willing to do it for the Panthers.
You have to guess, because he doesn't come close to saying what he disagreed with. And if pressed, he'd probably default to reliance on "HIPPA" (yes, I know).
As for the rest, yes, he implies that he would not have played in NE.
Maybe Gilmore wanted to bath his Achilles in deer antler spray and the Patriots weren't down.
Reading between the lines a bit, it sounds like there were treatments he thought would accelerate his return but the Patriots wanted him on a different regimen with a less aggressive timeline (ie, the references to now being able to do "the things I need to do to get me back" and to "that same schedule" when referring to the hypothetical of still being with the Patriots).
It makes a certain amount of sense in that Gilmore has a big incentive to get back on the field and show he can still play at a high level in advance of his FA year.
Reading between the lines a bit, it sounds like there were treatments he thought would accelerate his return but the Patriots wanted him on a different regimen with a less aggressive timeline (ie, the references to now being able to do "the things I need to do to get me back" and to "that same schedule" when referring to the hypothetical of still being with the Patriots).
It makes a certain amount of sense in that Gilmore has a big incentive to get back on the field and show he can still play at a high level in advance of his FA year.
Maybe the basic issue is the leverage and control the teams have over a player's health and rehabilitation.
Sam Darnold has really turned back into a pumpkin over the last four games, with a completion percentage of 53%, 5 picks and only 2 TDs. He hasn't exactly been playing the league's toughest defenses either.
Road game or not, this is really a must win for the Pats if they want to make any noise this season. The Panthers are a mediocre football team.
Road game or not, this is really a must win for the Pats if they want to make any noise this season. The Panthers are a mediocre football team.
Yep. The next four games, in fact, are HUGE.
at Carolina - Darnold has struggled
vs Cleveland - the Browns are a bit of a mess right now
at Atlanta - just not that good
at Tennessee - without Henry
3-1 seems imperative over this four-game stretch. 4-0 would obviously be preferable. But 3-1 to take them to 7-5 with five games left (2 against Buffalo, one at Ind, and two games they really need to win vs Jax and at Mia) seems pretty important.
Cannot really afford to lose this week.
at Carolina - Darnold has struggled
vs Cleveland - the Browns are a bit of a mess right now
at Atlanta - just not that good
at Tennessee - without Henry
3-1 seems imperative over this four-game stretch. 4-0 would obviously be preferable. But 3-1 to take them to 7-5 with five games left (2 against Buffalo, one at Ind, and two games they really need to win vs Jax and at Mia) seems pretty important.
Cannot really afford to lose this week.
Former Temple QB. Matt Rhule coached him for all but one year there. He was the XFL leader for passing yards in 2020. He’s an athletic QB.
Also, ATL could possibly still be missing arguably their best WR as Calvin Ridley has left the team to deal with some mental health issues, I believe?
A lot will depend which Kyle Pitts shows up. Weeks 5 and 7 (vs Phins and Jets, so big grain of salt) or Week 8? He has the potential to eat Patriot LBs for lunch. Gilmore did shut him down last week, so who knows if it was a down week for Pitts or Gilmore is back.
I can see the Patriots trying to bracket Pitts with, say, Dugger and a corner? JCJ if he's been chicken-soup'd back into the fold? JJW?
Given what the comments are, I see no reason to interpret his comments about dissatisfaction with the way his injury was handled to pertain to clinical care/rehab as opposed to dealings with the front office about his contract.
Tennessee is still a challenge, even without Henry. But if they can beat Carolina, Cleveland, and Atlanta, they'll be in good shape.
TENN is gonna depend on their line and their WR health. When they block and have Green and Julio both healthy (rare) they're a really good offense throwing it
There is little doubt the schedule has opened up. 3-1 is reasonable, 4-0 attainable, 2-2 disappointing.
That’s what I was responding to. Should have quoted the thing I was referring to.
It’s a tantalizing stretch of the schedule. If the Pats actually manage to go 4-0 over this stretch, it leads to a MNF game in Buffalo with a possible chance to take the division lead (Buffalo has cupcakes the next two weeks, but then Indy and New Orleans - they could be 8-3).
I'm curious to see how well NE can run the ball this weekend.
The Pats are ranked 22nd in the NFL in rush yards per game (101.), and 24th in rush yards per attempt (3.9). However, consider Damien Harris' first four games compared to his last four:
- First four: 49 att, 172 yds, 3.5 y/a, 1 TD (43.0 yds per game)
- Last four: 69 att, 345 yds, 5.0 y/a, 5 TD (86.3 yds per game)
Meanwhile, Carolina ranks 14th in the NFL in rush yards allowed per game (106.8), and 21st in rush yards allowed per attempt (4.4). In their last three games they've allowed 127.7 rush yards per game.
So Carolina's run defense hasn't been as good lately, while New England's has been superb, especially Damien Harris. I suppose I should expect him to get a lot of carries and run effectively, which will help in other aspects of the offense.
The Pats are ranked 22nd in the NFL in rush yards per game (101.), and 24th in rush yards per attempt (3.9). However, consider Damien Harris' first four games compared to his last four:
- First four: 49 att, 172 yds, 3.5 y/a, 1 TD (43.0 yds per game)
- Last four: 69 att, 345 yds, 5.0 y/a, 5 TD (86.3 yds per game)
Meanwhile, Carolina ranks 14th in the NFL in rush yards allowed per game (106.8), and 21st in rush yards allowed per attempt (4.4). In their last three games they've allowed 127.7 rush yards per game.
So Carolina's run defense hasn't been as good lately, while New England's has been superb, especially Damien Harris. I suppose I should expect him to get a lot of carries and run effectively, which will help in other aspects of the offense.
Darnold is listed as doubtful. Looks like the Pats are facing PJ Walker.
View: https://twitter.com/MikeGiardi/status/1456690181893931008
View: https://twitter.com/MikeGiardi/status/1456690181893931008
Is it that they haven’t been as good lately or that teams have run more against them because they had the lead? I think it’s more that.
View: https://twitter.com/adamschefter/status/1457075821986959362?s=21
Darnold and Mccafrey cleared to play Sunday.
Darnold and Mccafrey cleared to play Sunday.
Darnold will not be at his best tomorrow, which is generally shitty anyway. I feel like McCaffrey will do what he does, but if the defense doesn't let anyone else on the Panthers kill them tomorrow, they should be in good shape.
Inactive today are the usuals (Wade, Durant, Perkins, Asiasi(, JJ Taylor again, and N'Keal Harry (knee).
Panthers LB Reddick calls out Mac for "dirty play".
I noticed this at the time but the CBS replays didn't really show the full extent of what might have happened. It looked like after Burns hit Mac, Mac grabbed hold of him as he was trying to get away. Whatever happened after that, I'm not sure, but it ended up with Burns basically being unable to walk off the field.
edit: found this on the twitters:
View: https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/1457418357171494912
edit: Okay now I see that the Breer tweet was posted in the game thread and there was some discussion about the incident.
It's not a great look for Mac, even though I think most of the damage was done by Burns himself trying to spin out of it.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32578190/carolina-panthers-lb-haason-reddick-calls-new-england-patriots-mac-jones-dirty-play
I noticed this at the time but the CBS replays didn't really show the full extent of what might have happened. It looked like after Burns hit Mac, Mac grabbed hold of him as he was trying to get away. Whatever happened after that, I'm not sure, but it ended up with Burns basically being unable to walk off the field.
edit: found this on the twitters:
edit: Okay now I see that the Breer tweet was posted in the game thread and there was some discussion about the incident.
It's not a great look for Mac, even though I think most of the damage was done by Burns himself trying to spin out of it.
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Just a garden variety hold which would be declined. No real excuse for Blakeman to miss it, the QB is the only thing he is supposed to be looking at.Panthers LB Reddick calls out Mac for "dirty play".
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32578190/carolina-panthers-lb-haason-reddick-calls-new-england-patriots-mac-jones-dirty-play
I noticed this at the time but the CBS replays didn't really show the full extent of what might have happened. It looked like after Burns hit Mac, Mac grabbed hold of him as he was trying to get away. Whatever happened after that, I'm not sure, but it ended up with Burns basically being unable to walk off the field.
edit: found this on the twitters:
View: https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/1457418357171494912
edit: Okay now I see that the Breer tweet was posted in the game thread and there was some discussion about the incident.
It's not a great look for Mac, even though I think most of the damage was done by Burns himself trying to spin out of it.
That is rarely a guarantee that Blakeman gets it right, of course....
https://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/11/19/referee-clete-blakeman-on-patriots-panthers-no-call-i-believe-we-got-it-right/
Mac thought the ball was still loose and was trying to keep the dude from getting it. Had the ball been loose it would have been legal, as tackling at that point is fine for anyone. I guess it’s a defensive hold after Panthers get possession? I mean that wasn’t unsportsmanlike, it’s pretty normal. Dude twisted his own ankle trying to get out.