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Patriots Hall of Fame 2017

Discussion in 'Blinded by the Lombardis: Patriots Forum' started by tims4wins, Apr 21, 2017.

  1. tims4wins

    tims4wins PN23's replacement SoSH Member

    Clayborn, Seymour, and Vrabel are the finalists.

    Personally I'd vote for Vrabel. Both Vrabel and Seymour were in NE from 2001-2008. Vrabel played almost a full season more than Seymour due to Seymour's injuries (125 vs. 111). Also, Vrabel just had so many big plays in huge moments - multiple TD catches in the Super Bowl, pressure on Warner on the Law pick-six, strip sack of Delhomme, etc. It's harder to remember huge plays from Seymour - he blocked a FG vs. the Titans in the freezing divisional game, think he sacked Warner once, believe he made a huge play on the 3rd and 1 Zack Crockett run - big plays, but not on the same level.

    Anyway, have at it.

    RGREELEY33 Potty Mouth Gold Supporter SoSH Member

    Vrabel and Seymour are both worthy in my opinion -- tough choice.

    Different positions, but for some reference in their time with the Patriots:

    47 Sacks
    411 tackles
    11 INTs
    13 Forced fumbles
    5 fumble recovers
    10 career receptions with 10 TDs
    1 Pro Bowl
    1 All Pro

    39 sacks
    223 tackles
    2 INTs
    3 forced fumbles
    6 fumble recoveries
    5 Pro Bowls
    3 All Pros

    On a relative basis for their positions, I think Seymour was more dominant/impactful (as the PBs and APs demonstrate) and would probably lean towards him.

    RGREELEY33 Potty Mouth Gold Supporter SoSH Member

    Interesting factoid on Raymond Clayborn: he lead the league in Kickoff Return average in 1977 -- with 31.0 yards per KR -- and had 3 TDs, the longest a 101 yard return -- also both leading the league in 1977.

    I never knew that.
  4. Vinho Tinto

    Vinho Tinto Member SoSH Member

    For a guy who didn't make a lot of big plays, Seymour made a lot of Pro Bowls (Plus three first team All Pros). Maybe it was reputation or maybe they played different positions. Vrabel was a marginal DE for the Steelers before becoming a play making LB for the Patriots. I have no doubt that if Seymour had to drop weight and play OLB he would have been a play maker.

    Vrabel has the weakest resume of the three, but he'll probably get in since team hall of fames are strictly for the fans and he was a popular player on winning teams.
  5. tims4wins

    tims4wins PN23's replacement SoSH Member

    I loved Seymour. I had his jersey from 2002 until he was traded. But I agree that Vrabel has more of a connection with the fans, partially because of how Seymour ended up being traded. We have a perception, right or wrong, that Seymour was going to ask for more money than he was worth at the time, and that didn't sit well.
  6. Saints Rest

    Saints Rest Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    Clayborn and Seymour were the better players (both made All-Pro, not just Pro Bowl, 3x); Vrabel was the more popular so he will get in.
  7. Caspir

    Caspir Member SoSH Member

    I don't disagree at all with the conclusion that Seymour and Clayborn were better than Vrabel on the balance, but Vrabel was a 1st Team All Pro in 2007. From a franchise standpoint, which might be more indicative of team HOF status, Vrabel is also a member of the Patriots 50th Anniversary Team, where Clayborn* and Seymour were just honorable mentions.

    *Clayborn is a starter on the 35th Anniversary Team, but there's a lot of shitty years to go through to find players from seasons prior to 1994 to choose from.
  8. tims4wins

    tims4wins PN23's replacement SoSH Member

    Vrabel also switched to ILB in 2005 after the Monty Beisel disaster. Team player.
  9. tims4wins

    tims4wins PN23's replacement SoSH Member

    Hypothetical: say Vrabel had been named the MVP of 38 (strip sack, TD catch). Would that impact anyone's vote?
  10. Saints Rest

    Saints Rest Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    Were those teams also voted on by fans? I can't remember.

    I think Clayborn is in the conversation with Ty Law for second best Patriot CB of all time.

    Seymour is in the conversation for best Patriot DL of all time.

    Vrabel is the best Patriot pass-catching LB of all time. But I don't think he is Top 5 (maybe not even top 10) of LBs, though he might be top 3 of OLBs
  11. E5 Yaz

    E5 Yaz Transcends message boarding Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    Is there a separate category for Patriots from earlier eras? Because guys like Clayborn and Leon Gray, for example, are going to lose out repeatedly in fan voting to members of the Super Bowl teams -- when they really should be in the team Hall already
  12. Lose Remerswaal

    Lose Remerswaal Leaves after the 8th inning Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    Seymour was inactive
  13. 8slim

    8slim Member SoSH Member

    Very surprised that Clayborn isn't already in.
  14. Curt S Loew

    Curt S Loew SoSH Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    Still no nomination for Parcells or his one game wonder.
  15. moondog80

    moondog80 heart is two sizes two small SoSH Member

    Doesn't Parcells still work for the Dolphins? Could that have something to do with it? Not out of spite or anything, but just better to wait? Or is there a precedent that contradicts this?
  16. Papelbon's Poutine

    Papelbon's Poutine Homeland Security SoSH Member

    No. He is an 'unofficial consultant' to the Cleveland Browns.
  17. Mugsy's Walk-Off Bunt

    Mugsy's Walk-Off Bunt lurker

    Seymour didn't have the stats, due in large part to the role he played on the D here. Teams had to game plan for very few specific players on the New England defense and he was undeniably one of them. He was a clearly superior player to Vrabel. That said, Vrabel made more big, obvious plays - more likely for a guy in his role - and both are deserving. My guess is Vrabel gets in, Clayborn is eventually voted in and Seymour makes it within the next few years. High class "problems."

  18. Oppo

    Oppo Member SoSH Member

    Vrabel is one of the most Patriot-y players of all time. From the scrap heap to SB cornerstone, played all over the field defensively, 10 TD receptions, big plays in big moments.
    While Seymour may have been better at his position in a vacuum, the Pats HoF is built for guys like vrabel, bruschi, and brown.
  19. MuppetAsteriskTalk

    MuppetAsteriskTalk lurker

    Would like to see Clayborn get in now. The other two should get in eventually. (I think - I have no idea how it works but I'm assuming they will have more chances.)

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