Yeah, I meant with with cap rollover and probably should have been clearer on that point. You are right that it's a bit more than 21M if you add JG's 2017 salary and a 2018 franchise figure.
Butler hasn't tried to shoot his way out of town. It worked out well for Eli Manning and John Elway. To a lesser degree, it worked out for Rich Gannon and Curtis Martin. If Jimmy G made it known that he was no longer willing to come to team meetings or if he started messing up in practice on purpose, he'd be out of town in a heartbeat. Then we'd have next to nothing for him. It's a real risk if they try to keep him past 2018.
There's no place here for logic and reasonable thought. I'll ask you to refrain from involving yourself in this discussion, sir.
Those aren't great examples. Guys like Butler and Mankins (also failed at shooting his way out of town) present an apples to apples on how BB deals with people wanting new contracts. These othee guys have nothing to do with BB.
On the franchise tag cost, it depends whether they give him the exclusive or non-exclusive tag. The non-exclusive tag would likely be a pretty safe option next year and would probably be in the 20-21M range. I assume most people here bemoaning BB not trading JG this offseason would be pretty happy if he netted two firsts.
It won't get to that point. If Brady is here JimmyG is only getting tagged if he's ok with it. Otherwise he doesn't need to pout, he can just sign the tender and say "thanks for the 21 million. By the way I'm leaving first chance I get." which would make franchising him as the backup really really dumb. Pats don't tend to make dumb moves, so they'll hash that out beforehand
Brady's cap number goes up by 8 million next year and they are sort of out of ways to restructure his contract without committing to an age 43 season.
I think a long-term contract is a safer play, but I don't necessarily believe that is a more palatable solution. I know people hate to hear it, but this is the perfect time for a wait-and-see approach. There are so many variables at play that I think it would be a poor move on the Patriots part to make any decision right now.
Based on what I learned yesterday I think they will kick the can farther down the road on Brady's contract after this offseason if he keeps playing at the level he's been playing at. I don't think there's a way that Brady will be playing in 2018 and 2019 with a $22m cap hit. They will assuredly restructure. Greg Bedard was on 98.5 yesterday with Bertrand. He said that after the '11 season Brady and Kraft had a discussion on a flight back to Foxboro. Brady had the choice whether to restructure and take less money or BB was prepared to move on then. He'll be presented with the same option this time around too.
I think that's exactly what they are doing although the opportunity cost isn't negligible.
Is there any link to the Brady/'11 stuff? Because I'm highly skeptical that actually happened. Getting rid of Brady in 2012 because of his contract would have been a preposterous move and Brady never took less money, he shifted money around between salary and bonus (usually getting the cash sooner)
That's what Bedard said on the radio yesterday. He said that if he didn't restructure his contract that BB probably would have had a decision to make on him.
If he started messing up in practice on purpose or missing meetings, he would drastically damage any deal he would get from another team. Clearly he isn't going to do these things.
Yeah, the present roster is so deep I can see why they had little interest in present picks, especially with the age situation as regards Brady. After next season as free agency, age, and injuries take a toll, the picks would be a big help in replenishing the roster.
This post would fit nicely in "Celebrating what is" as well.
I don't think it's silly at all. Every dollar you spend in 2018 is one less you can spend in 2019+. When you roll money over, it's often because you've merely postponed the time you're going to need to spend it. But more important, spending $46 million on two QBs next year will cost the team eventually. That you can afford it in any given year doesn't mean that you won't have to pay for it.
There's really not an awful lot the Patriots can do with Brady in 2018. They have more options in 2019, but unless one imagines that Brady will simply give money back, the options are limited in 2018. About the best possible thing you could do is simply convert about $12.5 million of his salary to a bonus, along with some other future consideration into 2020 and 2021. That would save about $9.25 million next year, but add that money to three future caps for a player that will be 42-44. And that's assuming Brady would go for it, which is debatable.
There is obviously a cost and you will have to pay for it sometime. Just as obviously, rollover allows the cost to be effectively distributed over multiple years. This is why a static statement focused on a single year such as "You cannot commit $46M of cap money on a single position and win" is fundamentally flawed. Of course you could. It would be hard if you had an unadjusted cap number. It becomes easier if you've planned ahead such that your adjusted cap number in that particular single year is much higher.
I'm guessing most Patriots fans realize that this past 16 years is an anomaly. Also, most Patriots fans think Brady is the GOAT, and don't expect to ever see another Pats QB that is GOATer.
I tend to agree with you. But if you happen to start reading the right message board, you may find some fans talking about how Jimmy G is already a top ten QB in the league, is pretty much an Aaron Rodgers/Steve Young hybrid, and that the Pats would probably win it all this year without Brady.
Which message board is this and why do you use the word "right" to describe it?
Sorry about that - I didn't really mean message boards per se, I meant if you read comments on articles posted on ESPN, Yahoo, SI, etc.
Except they have to start making plans for the future at positions (other than QB) and that money can be spent much more efficiently to carry over past this year. And yes, I know QB is the most important position.
