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OBJ traded to Cleveland

Discussion in 'Blinded by the Lombardis: Patriots Forum' started by RedOctober3829, Mar 12, 2019.

  1. RedOctober3829

    RedOctober3829 Member SoSH Member

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    per Mike Garofolo
     
  2. Ed Hillel

    Ed Hillel Wants to be startin somethin SoSH Member

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    Oh.

    Wow, they could be really good.
     
  3. RedOctober3829

    RedOctober3829 Member SoSH Member

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    1st, 3rd, and Jabrill Peppers going to NY
     
  4. rodderick

    rodderick Member SoSH Member

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    If Mayfield is the real deal the Browns will contend for a while in the AFC.
     
  5. BigSoxFan

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    Noooooooooo!!!

    But nice haul for GMen
     
  6. TheShynessClinic

    TheShynessClinic SoSH's Doug Neidermeyer SoSH Member

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    Holy shit the Browns are going to be so much fun to watch.
     
  7. The Social Chair

    The Social Chair Member SoSH Member

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    At least until his rookie deal is up.
     
  8. Oil Can Dan

    Oil Can Dan Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    "We did NOT sign OBJ to trade him, okay? End of story!"
     
  9. DennyDoyle'sBoil

    DennyDoyle'sBoil Found no thrill on Blueberry Hill SoSH Member

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    Boy, the NFL is really changing these days.
     
  10. Oil Can Dan

    Oil Can Dan Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Supposedly a 1st, 3rd, and Jabril Peppers.
     
  11. Dr. Gonzo

    Dr. Gonzo Member SoSH Member

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    Why not just sign Golden Tate and keep #17 and Peppers?
     
  12. DeadlySplitter

    DeadlySplitter Member SoSH Member

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    I don't know how good Peppers is. I would have taken him, but I'm sure Bill wasn't giving up two high draft picks this year.
     
  13. Philip Jeff Frye

    Philip Jeff Frye Member SoSH Member

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    Wow, what a haul. Hopefully, this signals that the Giants are ready to move on from Eli too.
     
  14. Ed Hillel

    Ed Hillel Wants to be startin somethin SoSH Member

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    ODB is way better and younger, so if he actually stays focused, it’s good for both teams.

    Edit - ODB is way older, actually. OBJ is younger.
     
  15. Helmet Head

    Helmet Head Well-Known Member Silver Supporter SoSH Member

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    That is a pretty good haul for someone with a high dollar contract.
     
  16. RedOctober3829

    RedOctober3829 Member SoSH Member

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    That package is OK at best. The Giants also have to carry $16 million in dead money because they traded him pre-June 1st.
     
  17. RedOctober3829

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    I heard at least five specific teams that had some level of conversations with the Giants about Odell Beckham. One source on a team the Giants called said the Giants spoke to “everyone.” Seemed like they were assessing his market to find the best offer on the table.
     
  18. DennyDoyle'sBoil

    DennyDoyle'sBoil Found no thrill on Blueberry Hill SoSH Member

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    So, the Browns get Beckham for the equivalent of 5/76 and they don't have to pay any up front money. That's a really good deal. Really good. But worth a first and a third and a good player? What is the market for a top receiver in the peak of his career right now? Let's say 5/100? Or even 5/120. Let's take 5/120 for arguments' sake -- $24 million/year.

    Do you really give up those picks just to save 46 million over 5 years? That's really expensive.
     
  19. Dick Pole Upside

    Dick Pole Upside Member SoSH Member

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    Peppers is a poor man’s replacement for Landon Collins. He’s also from NJ, so I gather there is some appeal for him to “come home” even if the Jints stink. I always felt he was a little overrated at Michigan, and I think he’s a little small for today’s NFL box safeties, but he’s willing to stick his nose in there. Still... quite a haul for the NYG.

    Fun trade all the way around. Good luck to Cleveland.
     
  20. RedOctober3829

    RedOctober3829 Member SoSH Member

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    Dave Gettelman literally has no idea what he's doing. Signing OBJ to this big deal instead of trading him last offseason, drafting Barkley instead of a QB at #2 last year, signing Solder to a big-money deal, etc. They have no sense of who they are or what their long-term plan is. They were trying to win now combined with trying to rebuild and you can't do both if you don't have a big-time QB at the helm which is not what Eli is.

    So, do they go full rebuild now and release Eli?
     
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  21. DennyDoyle'sBoil

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    Yeah, but again you have to view this in context. They are carrying $16 million only because they got one of the best players in the game last year at a cap hit of less than $6 million. Cap space carries over, so his effective cost last year was $22 million, and they can now spread that $16 million over two years I believe. There's a bit of a zero sum game here.
     
  22. Cellar-Door

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    I mean it isn't an awful return if you "HAVE" to trade him, but dumping an elite player and taking a big cap hit for a 1st, 3rd, and an interesting young guy seems weird.
     
  23. RedOctober3829

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    So why not trade him last offseason before signing him to a big deal if there's any issues? We know they talked to the Patriots last offseason.
     
  24. steveluck7

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    OBJ also has the big advantage of being alive
     
  25. jmm57

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    If they start the rebuild, what will they have of Barkley’s prime on the other side? What is the shelf life on RBs getting 350 touches?
     
  26. RedOctober3829

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    That was the problem all along in drafting him. A rebuilding team does not need a star RB at #3 in the draft. They will regret the day they passed on drafting a QB at 2. Now they will have to hope to tank for Tua or Trevor Lawrence.
     
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  27. DennyDoyle'sBoil

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    It's a good question, but I wonder what the haul would have been last year. I don't have access to his contract prior to the big extension but I assume that he would have cost them something significant to trade last year. Put another way, I assume that the extension last year to bring his cap hit to $5.5 million was designed to save some cap space last year.

    But, yeah, if they could have gotten a first and a third last year before signing him to the extension then this probably cost them something like $14 million in cap space. But, they bought one year of a good player for that. I mean, they didn't know for a fact they would suck.
     
  28. RedOctober3829

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    Just got off the phone w/ OBJ. Odell Beckham told me after he & I discussed what I heard about #Browns trade talk that Jarvis Landry called him & said t/ GM & the HC want you bad. Next thing you know, OBJ said Dave Gettleman called him and said "I am trading you to the #Browns."
     
  29. MyDaughterLovesTomGordon

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    True, but Ol Dirty Bastard will always be live and uncut.
     
  30. Morning Woodhead

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    Landry and OBJ teaming up again. That’s a lot of money tied up in The WR position.
     
  31. RedOctober3829

    RedOctober3829 Member SoSH Member

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    Pats/Browns has to be the opener now.
     
  32. koufax32

    koufax32 He'll cry if he wants to... SoSH Member

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    So a 4th quarter comeback to beat the Browns in the AFCCG it is then. Didn’t see that coming a year ago.

    They’re going to be a good team and a difficult matchup this year. We’re left hoping that BM doesn’t progress and that their line can’t protect.
     
  33. rymflaherty

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    Maybe I haven’t watched enough Tate, but wouldn’t Tate be a bit redundant with Landry?

    Regardless, Interesting move by the Giants. The prospects of Barkley and OBJ paired with a young QB seemed pretty exciting.
    They must have really thought Beckham’s presence would be detrimental to a young QB...or they have no idea what the hell they’re doing.
    I think I’d be bummed if I was a Giants fan that they didn’t see that potential trio through.
     
  34. RedOctober3829

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  35. BigSoxFan

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    God bless Josh Norman
     
  36. The Big Red Kahuna

    The Big Red Kahuna Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Albeit the situations have major differences, but interesting comparing the returns for OBJ and AB, respectively.
     
  37. Seels

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    I think it's an overpay but one I'm fine making if I'm the Browns.

    They've gotta be the favorites to win the AFC North at this point. What's their over under, 10?
     
  38. Mystic Merlin

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    Devil is in the OL details.
     
  39. Dernells Casket n Flagon

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    I was talking to my buddy who's from Cleveland this morning about the AFC North. I think Baltimore is at 5 wins, Pittsburgh at 8 and 10 is in sight for the Browns. This was all before the OBJ trade, but I think I'd still set the O/U at 10 with a Sophomore QB.
     
  40. dcmissle

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    Francesca having some Bawb Kraft moments:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/mikefrancesa?lang=en

    Gettleman had a Brian Cashman moment and lied through his teeth.

    So did Dorsey. All over NFLN yesterday — We’re not ready to compete, just building the team.
     
  41. dcmissle

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    And they just traded Kevin Zeitler to the NYG.
     
  42. RedOctober3829

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    Rapaport says OBJ wants money added to his deal ala Antonio Brown.
     
  43. dcmissle

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    Of course he does.

    The minute AB got resolved the question was posed whether OBJ would try to shake the Giants down. A not unreasonable question.

    Maybe this was a factor in the Giants move, maybe it wasn’t, but I wanted no part of this stuff in Fox, even the threat of it. I don’t know who will be catching passes, but somehow we will muddle through.
     
  44. Cumberland Blues

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    My Giants fan kid has two jerseys...Collins and OBJ. Been a rough 48 hours for the kid.
     
  45. bankshot1

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    You should probably steer him away from #10.
     
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  47. Ed Hillel

    Ed Hillel Wants to be startin somethin SoSH Member

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    As he should be. Cleveland still has a ton of money and OBJ can just sit out and make it a nightmare trade for them. Demand an extra 50 million, Mr. Big Vest.
     
  48. InstaFace

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    OBJ couldn't possibly have committed all of those crimes. Coolio did some of that shit.
     
  49. dcmissle

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    Eventually the music stops. LeVeon Bell passed on franchise tender of 14.5. Word now is that the offers are coming in at 11 and 12.

    But fine. Wreck Cleveland’s life, not New England’s. I don’t think he had a no-trade to justify this.
     
  50. Myt1

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