NY bullpen 2016
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He must have a physical situation that they want to monitor in Tampa during at least April. But yeah, this guy is going backwards from very tough on lefties to can't throw the ball over the plate.
That was his only bad outing so far, his other four (including tonight) have been flawless. It's just so tough to crack the Yankee bullpen at this point, they seem to quietly be developing a good bit of pitching at the upper levels.
Too early for this kind of thinking, no? I like the idea and I've been one of the people here who wants Cashman to be more active with our assets but until our needs develop more clearly this year, I probably wouldn't want to move anyone.
Yeah, but the sooner they do it, the more value he has, of course it depends how desperate teams are, and that will possibly increase as the season goes on. I'd think Cashman could likely get a bidding war going between many of the NL contenders. He will get a pick if he doesn't trade him, but he should be able to top that easily. I would be looking for a OF who is around 50-100 overall in MLB, and a genuine SP prospect also, maybe even a third guy. Also don't forget that every bullpen spot they open up also allows Cashman to create more value via new young guys performing, Barbato is the latest example (exceedingly SSS obv).
Or we could just keep Chapman and have the most insane bullpen trio ever, Betances or Miller will come in in the sixth sometimes. I could live with that.
Or we could just keep Chapman and have the most insane bullpen trio ever, Betances or Miller will come in in the sixth sometimes. I could live with that.
Heh, Joel Sherman thinking like me in regards to Chapman:
http://nypost.com/2016/04/18/is-yankees-bullpen-pitching-themselves-onto-trading-block/
http://nypost.com/2016/04/18/is-yankees-bullpen-pitching-themselves-onto-trading-block/
Second round draft pick. But you are right. So far is the operative phrase. Lefty relievers hang around forever and get more second chances than any other position.
Why would the Yankees use Chapman as the closer this season when he is a FA at the end of the year and Andrew Miller is signed for another two seasons? I guess a few appearances to increase trade value would make sense, although I don't think those have to be save opportunities. Even if the team gets back into contention, I don't get the point of bumping Miller... the slight (maybe) upgrade to Chapman would seem to be outweighed by the risk of alienating the team's future closer. Or, much more succinctly, if it's not broke...
Miller doesn't care at all, Chapman has only ever closed and Miller has obviously done both. It's a question of putting both in roles they're most likely to succeed, I don't think it has anything to do with trade value or future contracts (although Chapman probably wouldn't be happy if he wasn't the closer, since he is about to be a FA, not that I think it would change his FA deal much or at all).
Honestly I think they should bump Miller ahead of Betances because of the L/R/L thing but it doesn't seem like they're going to do that and it probably doesn't matter much given how effective all three are against both sides.
Honestly I think they should bump Miller ahead of Betances because of the L/R/L thing but it doesn't seem like they're going to do that and it probably doesn't matter much given how effective all three are against both sides.
Johnny Barbato surprisingly gets sent down to activate Chapman, NY still badly in need of a second righty reliever in front of Betances. Last year they needed to move Warren out of the rotation (where he was doing OK) to fill that void, this year it was going to be Bryan Mitchell before he went down in the last spring training game. Barbato looked like he was the man, but he hasn't been as good lately and now he's back to AAA.
I'm seeing reports that Sheeve is headed to the DL with a shoulder issue. Maybe all the recent home runs tipped folks off....
They're calling it a "left shoulder AC joint sprain". The somewhat surprising thing is they brought up another guy for innings, Richard Bleier, so they have two AAA starters in the back end of the bullpen (Cessa is the other), plus Goody, Yates and the three studs.
Insane stat from a Jeff Sullivan piece on Andrew Miller over at Fangraphs:
"Andrew Miller actually has a higher O-Swing% (46%) than Z-Swing% (44%). Think for just one second about what that means. One second is all you should need. Batters have been more likely to swing against Andrew Miller when he’s thrown would-be balls."
"Andrew Miller actually has a higher O-Swing% (46%) than Z-Swing% (44%). Think for just one second about what that means. One second is all you should need. Batters have been more likely to swing against Andrew Miller when he’s thrown would-be balls."
Tough series for the bullpen and Betances in particular, picking up the L in his two appearances against the O's. He especially has actually looked mortal this year, despite his usual high K rate...
This piece argues that Betances' recent ugly string is mostly bad luck, only one line drive hit allowed in the four different appearances, all of which he allowed runs in. A more thorough breakdown:
http://www.lohud.com/story/sports/mlb/lohud-yankees/2016/06/06/pregame-notes-grounders-root-betances-struggles/85525948/
http://www.lohud.com/story/sports/mlb/lohud-yankees/2016/06/06/pregame-notes-grounders-root-betances-struggles/85525948/
Last year's bullpen was more effective because they had a guy, Adam Warren, who could pitch multiple innings and take over in the fifth inning, if needed. They lack that guy this year.
And Shreve was great last year until September. His demise compounded the loss of Warren.
And Shreve was great last year until September. His demise compounded the loss of Warren.
I put this in the game thread, but it is bullpen specific...
In the last 5 days/games:
Chapman: 4 games plus 1 warmup (one game included a 100 minute rain delay between fully warming up in the pen and pitching to his first batter)
Miller: 3 games plus 2 warmups
Betances: 3 games totalling 77 pitches
If he breaks any of them before Cashman can trade them, that will be the biggest blow yet for NY in a pretty rough season so far.
In the last 5 days/games:
Chapman: 4 games plus 1 warmup (one game included a 100 minute rain delay between fully warming up in the pen and pitching to his first batter)
Miller: 3 games plus 2 warmups
Betances: 3 games totalling 77 pitches
If he breaks any of them before Cashman can trade them, that will be the biggest blow yet for NY in a pretty rough season so far.
Warren was actually in the rotation for half the season or so, first bullpen appearance June 30. And that was in large part because Miller had gone out from June 9-July 8, leaving them with a closing troika of Shreve/Wilson/Betances until moving Warren there as the desperately needed second righty/multiinning late guy.
Now do you see why I like Warren so much? He's the Randy Verlarde of pitching for this team.
Still can't believe we got him back