No SNF game in Week 17

luckiestman · Dec 25, 2017

Maybe NYE is why no late game

Zedia · Dec 25, 2017

I'd much rather watch a game than go to the shitty NYE party I'm obligated to go to.

axx · Dec 25, 2017

NBC had to of said no. In these cases usually they would choose an NFC East game but since Dallas lost (and Philly has nothing to play for if they defeat Oakland today) I guess they decided against it.I realize the league has final say but NBC obviously can 'encourage' something.

I haven't seen what NBC is replacing the timeslot with; maybe they would replay the SB?

Helmet Head · Dec 25, 2017

I wonder if NBC looked at the slate of games and said no thanks They probably determined their NYE programming would generate better ratings. Also, the games absolutely blow next week. The best option may be Atlanta - Carolina and even that game may mean nothing if the New Orleans wins and Seattle loses. Another option may be the Cleveland going for a 0-16 season against Pittsburg. Really terrible week.

I also wonder if NBC gets some money back for not selecting a game.

axx · Dec 25, 2017

Helmet Head said:
I wonder if NBC looked at the slate of games and said no thanks They probably determined their NYE programming would generate better ratings. .

As far as I can tell NBC doesn't have any national NYE programming. Boston does have a local program but it was scheduled to start after the game. The Providence station is just news.

Harry Hooper · Dec 25, 2017

The best option is clearly to have NBC broadcast Heidi again.

InstaFace · Dec 25, 2017

From the playoff position thread:

I don't know why they wouldn't at least put Jacksonville - Tennessee into the SNF slot. No, it's not strictly speaking a faux-playoff game, but both teams will have something to play for no matter the day's results: even if Jax is locked into seed 3, they can effectively choose their WC opponent by either tanking at the Titans and getting a rematch against them at home the next week, or winning and likely getting the Chargers or Bills instead (if one of them wins).

For the Titans to have nothing to play for that night, you would need the Ravens to win (vs CIN), and both the Chargers (vs OAK) and Bills (@MIA) to lose. I'd bet one of those fails to happen.

PayrodsFirstClutchHit · Dec 25, 2017

I doubt it had much bearing on the final decision, but flexing a game to NYE would cause some fans to choose between attending the game and a planned social event. Not sure it would be fair to force fans to make that choice.

bsj · Dec 25, 2017

I don't get why there wasn't a game last night but there are 2 on the actual.holiday

DJnVa · Dec 25, 2017

bsj said:
I don't get why there wasn't a game last night but there are 2 on the actual.holiday

Because I think more people are doing family stuff on Xmas Eve than later on Xmas Day.

wade boggs chicken dinner · Dec 25, 2017

Given this year's ratings for non-marquee games and attendance issues, I can understand NFL and NBC not wanting to take a chance that no one shows up and/or no one watches.

Here's the ratings for the last NYE game: http://www.thefutoncritic.com/ratings/2007/01/03/nbc-ties-for-number-1-in-adults-18-49-for-the-primetime-week-of-december-25-31-23194/20070103nbc03/. Pretty bad for football but better than what NBC had typically done.

richgedman'sghost · Dec 25, 2017

So does NBC get a refund for the night? I thought NBC might still get a game in either the 1pm or 4 pm timeslot but I guess not. Guess Al Michael's and Cris Collinsworth have to return part of their salary for a game not worked..Just kidding but still interesting decision as to why NBC passed on having a game altogether...

Red(s)HawksFan · Dec 25, 2017

richgedman'sghost said:
So does NBC get a refund for the night? I thought NBC might still get a game in either the 1pm or 4 pm timeslot but I guess not. Guess Al Michael's and Cris Collinsworth have to return part of their salary for a game not worked..Just kidding but still interesting decision as to why NBC passed on having a game altogether...

NBC had two Thursday games (opening night and Thanksgiving) to balance not having a game in week 17. This really isn't that unusual. There's never a Monday night game in week 17. Logic behind no SNF game this year is similar.

DJnVa · Dec 25, 2017

Well, giving a team a MNF game then possibly a short week for postseason as well.

tims4wins · Dec 26, 2017

As per usual Harbaugh finds something to cry about

"I don't think the NFL did us any favors by moving it back," Harbaugh said Tuesday. "But they don't care about us. So, we just have to care about ourselves. We have to take care of our own business. That goes for our team, for our fans and for our city. Let's go win the football game."

I thought the Ravens and Steelers were supposed to be tough, yet they bitch about MOTHERFUCKING EVERYTHING

Silverdude2167 · Dec 26, 2017

tims4wins said:
As per usual Harbaugh finds something to cry about

"I don't think the NFL did us any favors by moving it back," Harbaugh said Tuesday. "But they don't care about us. So, we just have to care about ourselves. We have to take care of our own business. That goes for our team, for our fans and for our city. Let's go win the football game."

I thought the Ravens and Steelers were supposed to be tough, yet they bitch about MOTHERFUCKING EVERYTHING

He is complaining about his game being move 3 hours later. What the fuck is his problem, how does that affect anything?

deanx0 · Dec 26, 2017

Silverdude2167 said:
He is complaining about his game being move 3 hours later. What the fuck is his problem, how does that affect anything?

Because fans are no-showing games and it is always easier to blame the NFL than the quality and watchability of your own team.

axx · Dec 26, 2017

Red(s)HawksFan said:
NBC had two Thursday games (opening night and Thanksgiving) to balance not having a game in week 17. This really isn't that unusual. There's never a Monday night game in week 17. Logic behind no SNF game this year is similar.

Everything I've seen suggests NBC was intending to broadcast a game. NBC Boston now says TBA.

richgedman'sghost · Dec 27, 2017

Red(s)HawksFan said:
NBC had two Thursday games (opening night and Thanksgiving) to balance not having a game in week 17. This really isn't that unusual. There's never a Monday night game in week 17. Logic behind no SNF game this year is similar.

It is very unusual. This is the first year since 1977 That the season will not end with a prime time night game. NBC was fully intending to broadcast a Sunday night game. So you might want to check that out.

DJnVa · Dec 27, 2017

Red(s)HawksFan said:
There's never a Monday night game in week 17. Logic behind no SNF game this year is similar.

Never? There were through, I think, 2002.

uk_sox_fan · Dec 28, 2017

Intriguing that the 4 games that will determine the AFC Wild Card teams (Buf -3 @ Mia, Cin @ Bal -9.5, Jac @ Ten -3.5 and Oak @ LAC -7.5) will all be on simultaneously (4:25pm EST starts). Would be a perfect night for watching Red Zone if it weren't NYE and I weren't hosting a party for a bunch of English that couldn't give a monkey's about those games...

uk_sox_fan · Dec 28, 2017

For those who'd like a cheat sheet for who gets in for each of the 16 scenarios (excluding ties) that those games create:

Code:

Buf@Mia  Cin@Bal  Jac@Ten  Oak@LAC ¦ WC1  WC2
_______  _______  _______  _______ ¦ ___  ___
  Buf      Bal      Ten      LAC   ¦ Bal  Ten
  Buf      Bal      Ten      Oak   ¦ Bal  Ten
  Buf      Bal      Jac      LAC   ¦ Bal  LAC
  Buf      Bal      Jac      Oak   ¦ Bal  Buf
  Buf      Cin      Ten      LAC   ¦ Ten  Buf
  Buf      Cin      Ten      Oak   ¦ Ten  Buf
  Buf      Cin      Jac      LAC   ¦ Buf  Bal
  Buf      Cin      Jac      Oak   ¦ Buf  Bal
  Mia      Bal      Ten      LAC   ¦ Bal  Ten
  Mia      Bal      Ten      Oak   ¦ Bal  Ten
  Mia      Bal      Jac      LAC   ¦ Bal  LAC
  Mia      Bal      Jac      Oak   ¦ Bal  Ten
  Mia      Cin      Ten      LAC   ¦ Ten  Bal
  Mia      Cin      Ten      Oak   ¦ Ten  Bal
  Mia      Cin      Jac      LAC   ¦ Bal  LAC
  Mia      Cin      Jac      Oak   ¦ Bal  Ten

tims4wins · Dec 28, 2017

uk_sox_fan said:

For those who'd like a cheat sheet for who gets in for each of the 16 scenarios (excluding ties) that those games create:

Code:

Buf@Mia  Cin@Bal  Jac@Ten  Oak@LAC ¦ WC1  WC2
_______  _______  _______  _______ ¦ ___  ___
  Buf      Bal      Ten      LAC   ¦ Bal  Ten
  Buf      Bal      Ten      Oak   ¦ Bal  Ten
  Buf      Bal      Jac      LAC   ¦ Bal  LAC
  Buf      Bal      Jac      Oak   ¦ Bal  Buf
  Buf      Cin      Ten      LAC   ¦ Ten  Buf
  Buf      Cin      Ten      Oak   ¦ Ten  Buf
  Buf      Cin      Jac      LAC   ¦ Buf  Bal
  Buf      Cin      Jac      Oak   ¦ Buf  Bal
  Mia      Bal      Ten      LAC   ¦ Bal  Ten
  Mia      Bal      Ten      Oak   ¦ Bal  Ten
  Mia      Bal      Jac      LAC   ¦ Bal  LAC
  Mia      Bal      Jac      Oak   ¦ Bal  Ten
  Mia      Cin      Ten      LAC   ¦ Ten  Bal
  Mia      Cin      Ten      Oak   ¦ Ten  Bal
  Mia      Cin      Jac      LAC   ¦ Bal  LAC
  Mia      Cin      Jac      Oak   ¦ Bal  Ten

Thanks super helpful

singaporesoxfan · Dec 28, 2017

uk_sox_fan said:
Intriguing that the 4 games that will determine the AFC Wild Card teams (Buf -3 @ Mia, Cin @ Bal -9.5, Jac @ Ten -3.5 and Oak @ LAC -7.5) will all be on simultaneously (4:25pm EST starts). Would be a perfect night for watching Red Zone if it weren't NYE and I weren't hosting a party for a bunch of English that couldn't give a monkey's about those games...

Didn’t the NFL adjust game times to have them on simultaneously specifically because these games would determine the Wild Cards?

RedOctober3829 · Dec 28, 2017

I bet nbc gets 2 prime time games in the postseason to make up for no game this week. Usually the 8:15 Saturday games rotate around but this could be an arrangement between the league and NBC.

MuzzyField · Dec 28, 2017

I don’t see NBC getting a playoff bonus at the expense of FOX or CBS in a season that NBC has the SB.
This is a vacate NYE for a meaningless regular season game move that keeps NBC’s SNF season-long ratings from taking a potentially costly holiday hit. NBC isn’t losing here.

DJnVa · Dec 28, 2017

Yeah, I would assume they get some $$ back.

RedOctober3829 · Dec 28, 2017

MuzzyField said:
I don’t see NBC getting a playoff bonus at the expense of FOX or CBS in a season that NBC has the SB.
This is a vacate NYE for a meaningless regular season game move that keeps NBC’s SNF season-long ratings from taking a potentially costly holiday hit. NBC isn’t losing here.

NBC gets 2 postseason games so it’s not like they’d be getting anything additional. All I’m saying is that they could be getting both Saturday 8:15 slots. Or they could get one prime time game and a Sunday 4:25 slot.

McBride11 · Dec 28, 2017

If NBC starts SuperBowl LI at 8:23:17 and plays it in its entirety at, then James White will be crossing the goal line for the winnning score in OT at exactly 12:00:00! Great way to start 2018! Retweet!

But seriously just replay the SB

Al Zarilla · Dec 28, 2017

McBride11 said:
If NBC starts SuperBowl LI at 8:23:17 and plays it in its entirety at, then James White will be crossing the goal line for the winnning score in OT at exactly 12:00:00! Great way to start 2018! Retweet!

But seriously just replay the SB

Rub the whole country's noses in it. OK with me! I've still got the game on DVR, but whenever I see another showing of it, I'll watch it for a while in case somehow there's something different in it. Never is. I've still got XLIX also.

InstaFace · Dec 28, 2017

uk_sox_fan said:
For those who'd like a cheat sheet for who gets in for each of the 16 scenarios (excluding ties) that those games create:

Great chart, reminds me of the color-coded one from last year. Hell, maybe I'll make one.

Fascinating to me that TEN gets the 5 seed if they win and BAL lose, but if MIA also beats BUF, then BAL is still the 6-seed, regardless of the LAC/OAK game. In other words, the Chargers' result only matters if they win and TEN loses - but if you look at row 7, then LAC still doesn't make it if both BUF wins and BAL loses. If BUF and BAL win (row 3), then BAL makes it (obviously) and the LAC jump ahead of BUF and take the 6 seed.

I assume that ends up being some crazy conference-record or common-opponents tiebreaker that generates that result. So if the LAC win and TEN loses, then LAC makes it 3/4s of the time. Meanwhile, BUF makes it in 5 of the 8 scenarios where they win (and in 2 of them, as the 5-seed!). Really funny how that all shakes out.

SirPsychoSquints · Dec 28, 2017

InstaFace said:
Great chart, reminds me of the color-coded one from last year. Hell, maybe I'll make one.

If someone can show me how to code it, I have it sitting in Excel right now

InstaFace · Dec 28, 2017

(feel free to use URL of image to post this elsewhere. Not knowing who UK Sox Fan is, I just gave ITP the credit)

edit: here's another observation that this makes clear: BAL and TEN can still make it in if they lose; BUF and LAC cannot.

SirPsychoSquints · Dec 28, 2017

NFC:

edmunddantes · Dec 28, 2017

Carolina is pretty amazing. 2-5 depending on what happens in other games with 5 being most common.

SirPsychoSquints · Dec 28, 2017

edmunddantes said:
Carolina is pretty amazing. 2-5 depending on what happens in other games with 5 being most common.

Yeah, the MIN/LAR/XXX tie-breakers are weirdly rock/paper/scissors

Ale Xander · Dec 28, 2017

NYT flowcharts per team
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/12/26/upshot/nfl-playoff-picture-week-17-trees.html

DJnVa · Dec 28, 2017

I like the Panthers one--even with a win they could be the #2 seed, the #3 seed, the #4 seed, or the #5 seed.

McBride11 · Dec 28, 2017

Al Zarilla said:
Rub the whole country's noses in it. OK with me! I've still got the game on DVR, but whenever I see another showing of it, I'll watch it for a while in case somehow there's something different in it. Never is. I've still got XLIX also.

Jealous. 2 cross country moves in the past 2 years cost me my DVR’d games.

Al Zarilla · Dec 28, 2017

McBride11 said:
Jealous. 2 cross country moves in the past 2 years cost me my DVR’d games.

Sorry about that. Someday, a DVR failure or a switch to another carrier and I’ll lose mine.

wiffleballhero · Dec 28, 2017

If the Pats are the #1 seed, will they get the late Sat game? Is there a pattern to that schedule?

tims4wins · Dec 28, 2017

See the playoff position thread

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