I'm not a fan of that part either, but I am still quite excited about his D once he gets to 3B and I have to admit I think I like how much Boston fans (justifiably) hate him already.
NLCS Gamethread: Dodgers vs Brewers
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I thought I would YouTube the play from today as didn’t see it in any highlights. YouTube suggested searches tell you about all you need to know about his style of play.
Edit: and after watching the play from a few angles, I don’t know why there is any discussion as to whether that’s a dirty play or not.
That’s a Bush league cheap shot in any league. 1st baseman has every right to be where Aguilar was and to expect absolutely no contact. And yet machado hit him hard clearly trying to hurt the guy. I hope the Brewers get up big and have a spot where they can pop him and I hope it’s Hader. I usually hate retaliation but that deserves it.
I’d say the only reason there weren’t punches as no one saw how bad it was live and even Aguilar probably gave him the benefit of the doubt as he didn’t see how it happened.
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I just saw the Machado replay. Not even close to anything but a really cheap, dirty play. That was pretty bad, Machado is horrendous for doing that, it was beyond cheap and dangerous and it probably should warrant a suspension.
Agreed. It was undeniably a dirty play and quite dangerous. There was some real force on that kick to Aguilar’s planted foot. Luckily, he’s a big dude and was seemingly able to absorb it without much of a problem. If that had been a skinny pitcher, it could have been much different.
I think Machado needs to be suspended for Game 5. Otherwise, if the opportunity presents itself, he’s going to be seeing some chin music from a team full of fire ballers. And it won’t be the courteous HBP on the butt, it’ll be the “you have 0.03 seconds to react before you take a FB to the head/neck area” kind. Baseball doesn’t need/want that.
@Lose Remerswaal: there is no current Yankee I dislike as much as Machado. They are downright likable in contrast.
Machado’s dirty play deserves a thread of it’s own. Can call it “Machado, Son of a Pubic Hair.” Probably sounds better in Spanish.
I just saw it after reading about it in this thread. Wow, what a scumbag. I don't care that Aguilar is a "bigger guy".... the way Machado kicked him screams achilles injury to me (IANAD, though).
It was completely unnecessary, and completely disconnected from the play on the field.... it's even worse to me than A-Rod in 2004, because he wasn't even trying to jar a ball loose, the play was completely over.
I hope MLB takes a long look at this, and considers his past history as well. This kind of stuff serves absolutely no purpose (other than as an attempt to injure), and deserves no place in the game.
Sorry for the soapbox.
Why was Machado running inside the baseline in the first place?
MLB needs to double the width of first base and then seriously crack down on anyone running inside the baseline, regardless of contact.
MLB needs to double the width of first base and then seriously crack down on anyone running inside the baseline, regardless of contact.
Why yes, I think he did. I mean, he's always been mfy level douchy, but now he's a a True MFY Imbecile.
The plane crash can't happen soon enough.
And I like how mfy fans are (unjustifiably) already sticking up for him in advance. It's apropos on so many levels.
Or MLB could do the right thing and suspend the guy and put a stop to it, along with (hopefully) further bush league behavior by Machado.
They could and should, but they won't.
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Gio Gonzalez just told me that the [URL='https://twitter.com/Brewers']@Brewers have told him he will be taken off the NLCS roster before Game 5 and replaced by a pitcher. This means he will be ineligible for the World Series roster, should the Brewers advance.[/URL]
@pedrogomezESPNGio Gonzalez just told me that the [URL='https://twitter.com/Brewers']@Brewers have told him he will be taken off the NLCS roster before Game 5 and replaced by a pitcher. This means he will be ineligible for the World Series roster, should the Brewers advance.[/URL]
Can an umpire eject a player for dirty base running? I’d think so, but I’ve never seen it happen.
I’m not saying that should have happened last night. The dirtiness of Machado’s leg kick wasn’t obvious in real time and no umpire is going to run a guy for what *might be* incidental contact. The proper outcome would be for the league to review the play and issue a one-game suspension, but that’s not happening, so the players will handle it the usual way when the opportunity arises and the wrong people will be ejected. So in trying to avoid disrupting the series, the league’s inaction will likely disrupt it even more.
Someone raised the idea of a double-bag at first, like some youth baseball and softball leagues use to avoid collisions. I’d hate to see that in the pros. A better solution would be to enforce the running-lane rule and create a rule (officially or by “advisory”) that base runners running to first must step on the outside half of first base or risk ejection. Ejection seems a harsh penalty, but calling a runner out is zero deterrent if he was going to be out anyway.
Anyone else remember the replay just before his ground out? He'd checked his swing, and he must have heard a Brewer (prob Kratz) protest that he'd gone too far. The camera caught him pointing to the ump at 1B as if to say "yeah, go ahead, appeal, I didn't swing." He looked furious. Joe Buck seemed to think it was funny and chuckled at it.
Means nothing but he was worked up over something; sometimes (rarely) players get mad at a player on the other side advocating against them, maybe it was that?
The telltale thing in the play for me is the way he sort of breaks his stride to drag his pointed foot across the space Aguilar's was positioned on the bag, and then his reaction. He was defiant but you could see he knew he'd just gotten caught doing something fucked up.
Yelich's right, all things considered that is what he is now. A dirty player. There's no doubt. I'm eating crow because coupled with Pedroia's "it wasn't dirty" thing I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. The slides and now last night, I was 100% wrong.
Something telling about a guy who feels like he can tell a reporter he dogs it in the playoffs and oh well, that's just how it is. Debates over how practically bad that really is on easy ground-outs aside, he's told himself he's good enough he can do and say whatever he wants, and it shows.
Means nothing but he was worked up over something; sometimes (rarely) players get mad at a player on the other side advocating against them, maybe it was that?
The telltale thing in the play for me is the way he sort of breaks his stride to drag his pointed foot across the space Aguilar's was positioned on the bag, and then his reaction. He was defiant but you could see he knew he'd just gotten caught doing something fucked up.
Yelich's right, all things considered that is what he is now. A dirty player. There's no doubt. I'm eating crow because coupled with Pedroia's "it wasn't dirty" thing I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. The slides and now last night, I was 100% wrong.
Something telling about a guy who feels like he can tell a reporter he dogs it in the playoffs and oh well, that's just how it is. Debates over how practically bad that really is on easy ground-outs aside, he's told himself he's good enough he can do and say whatever he wants, and it shows.
Yes. 8.01(d). In a post-season series, though, I think the ump is probably most likely to let the commissioner handle it for future games. Unless it's obviously an intent to injure. It's infuriating that he makes a dirty play but then sticks around and is part of the winning play.
Rule: (d) Each umpire has authority to disqualify any player, coach, manager or substitute for objecting to decisions or for unsportsmanlike conduct or language, and to eject such disqualified person from the playing field. If an umpire disqualifies a player while a play is in progress, the disqualification shall not take effect until no further action is possible in that play.
Ken Rosenthal:
MLB has fined Manny Machado an undisclosed amount for the way he ran into Jesus Aguilar last night, sources tell The Athletic.
MLB has fined Manny Machado an undisclosed amount for the way he ran into Jesus Aguilar last night, sources tell The Athletic.
Woodruff coming in after one batter one walk by Miley. Counsell is topping the weirdness chart for over managing.
He wanted Roberts to play righties, but can't the Dodgers just presto change-up now themselves?
not without compromising your options later in the game.
this was 100% on purpose to get a platoon advantage. Miley will start game 6.
Machado has been a douchebag for years, long before the Pedroia incident. Glad to see Yellich call him out on it.
Sorry, Dave Roberts, rooting for Brewers.
Sorry, Dave Roberts, rooting for Brewers.
You can’t switch multiple hitters in first inning. Well, I mean, you *can*.
MLB needs to put an end to this kind of crap. Does anyone want a future where you pay a crapload of money to go to a game and not know who the starting pitcher is or if they'll get pulled after one batter?
yah, in this case, but if they don't stop it it certainly won't end here. eventually teams will do it with pitchers you care about for a game that you attend. playoffs have the highest visibility so use it to put an end to this crap
There is zero chance that this sort of gimmickry would be used with a Kershaw, Verlander,or Sale
Yes, my question was dumb. What Counsell did strikes me as devious and possibly should prompt some sort of rule against.
Love that Machado dp!
You really want MLB telling a team how to manage it has to manage its roster? The Brewers are trying to win a world series, they should 100% do whatever they want with their staff that they think gives them the best chance to do that.
Miley was always going to start game 6. Since he was scheduled to throw a bullpen session today, might as well mark him as a starter, make (or induce) LA put in a right handed lineup, and then make the switch after a batter.
It's not without risk, as the replacement starter may not react well to a shortened warm-up routine. But, I get the strategy.
If MLB makes a rule about starting pitchers it will be because the gambling industry puts pressure on them to do so, similar to how NFL and NBA require injury reports pretty much only for gambling purposes. There's no baseball reason the other team needs to know who is starting for you until they take the mound that day.
I'd argue that the gimmickry would be a lot more effective if used with a Kershaw, Verlander or Sale. It's more likely a manager will adjust his starting lineup based on an ace than a scrub. Sale is obviously a question mark for game 5 or 6- why wouldn't they start him for one batter in game 5 and then start him again in game 6?