2017 NFL Trade Deadline Game Thread

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49ers release Navorro Bowman. Worth a Patriot tryout? He's had a knee injury in 2014, from which it seems he fully recovered, and then an Achilles injury in 2016.

Bowman thrice made the Pro Bowl in a 49ers' uniform, and was an All-Pro four times. He had 38 tackles and one pass defended in five games this season, and his career line stands at 808 tackles, 12.5 sacks, four interceptions, seven forced fumbles, and five fumble recoveries.
Seems like he could be a no harm-no foul candidate.

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This is one of those situations where there are probably 31 other teams that have some level of interest, and it's going to be more about Bowman's mindset and desires than anything else. Assuming good health, he fits any system and would make any team better the day he signs, even if he isn't playing every down (the 49ers began reducing his snaps last week). One question the Patriots would probably be asking: How much of an upgrade would he be over David Harris?
 

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Dubinsky throws like 5 passes a game. I'm not sure how great an opportunity this is for Inman.
Better than being the 5th WR on a team with 2 good pass catching TEs.

And maybe with some decent receivers (theirs are almost as injury riddled and bad as the Giants'), they might throw more.
 

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Dareus to Jags. That defense is turning into a sick unit.
Deal makes sense for both sides, I think. Limited hit for this year and cuttable next. Overall a brutal contract for Buffalo, he gave them very little. He’s got about 12ish million in dead money left, too.
 
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Question - Which team pays guaranteed base salary after a trade? Is it the original signor or the team that takes him on? Dareus has some guaranteed base next year and I’m not sure which team pays that portion. I know with signing bonus, it’s already paid and hits the signor’s cap. Not sure if this is treated differently since it’s not already paid.
 

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Question - Which team pays guaranteed base salary after a trade? Is it the original signor or the team that takes him on? Dareus has some guaranteed base next year and I’m not sure which team pays that portion. I know with signing bonus, it’s already paid and hits the signor’s cap. Not sure if this is treated differently since it’s not already paid.
If it's base salary, I'm pretty sure the acquiring team pays and takes the cap hit. I don't think the guarantee changes anything.
 

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Justin think of when the money was paid.

Already paid Signing bonus? Accelerates into original team.

Roster bonus not paid yet? Goes against whatever team you are on when it triggers.

Guaranteed salary would hit the team that pays it. So if it's guaranteed next year. Then new team takes the cap hit.
 

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Justin think of when the money was paid.

Already paid Signing bonus? Accelerates into original team.

Roster bonus not paid yet? Goes against whatever team you are on when it triggers.

Guaranteed salary would hit the team that pays it. So if it's guaranteed next year. Then new team takes the cap hit.
Yeah, I knew how bonus money and regular base salary was calculated, I just wasn’t sure if guaranteed base salary was treated more like a signing bonus. Looks like essentially Jax owes him 10+ mil next year, since 7.5 is guaranteed and they won’t cut him to save a couple million. That’s a lot for a guy with his numbers the past 3-4 years. But they get him at a pretty decent rate this year.
 

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If the playoffs started today they’d be playing the Pats so hope not! Definitely agree that this is a very dangerous team. Defense is very good and Fournette can be a handful. Really want a bye and for KC/Pitt to have to deal with them.
 

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Man, that’s a ton to give up for year and a half, especially considering he’ll probably hold out again. I guess they’ll back up the Brinks for him?
 

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MOD NOTE:
Changed title to make it the NFL trade deadline game thread.

Like the JG trade thread, please feel free to create a separate thread for a big/significant trade.
 

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If they don't believe they can resign Cousins, Washington should trade Cousins today. Yes, it would be giving up on the season. But the past couple of weeks, they have lost their two best D-lineman (one for the season), four of their five starting o-lineman (for how long, nobody can be sure), and two of their three tight ends (ditto). They play at Seattle, against Minnesota and at New Orleans. They are 3 and 4.

The only question would be whether a team could accommodate a $12 million cap addition.
 

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Well, this could certainly be a fun thread today---I want the rumors!!!
 

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WTF!
So the Dolphins now have no running back, and they get a pick that’s about 80% chance to be worthless, possibly higher as I’m adding my lack of faith in the front office.

From what I’ve seen I don’t see how you could blame Ajayi for the on field shit show. If he was putting up trash stat lines, he was also being consistently hit 2 yards into the backfield.
This has to be due to something behind the scenes...right?
Tough to make sense of, other than the Eagles just got much better.
 

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This makes no sense to me. Ajayi is constantly running against 8 and 9 man fronts and being hit behind the line of scrimmage. My untrained eyes tell me there's about 5 or 6 guys directly in front of him that are a bigger problem than he is.

I mentioned this in the Fins thread, but at the end of the Ravens game, Kenyan Drake was running the ball hard up the middle consistently for 5 and 6 yard gains once the game was basically over. Gase then came out in his presser and more or less called Ajayi out for trying to make every run a home run instead of taking what the defense gives him.

Still, a 4th rounder for a guy that was one of the best RBs in football, was still super cost controlled, and looked as though he was still running hard every play even though there were people swarming all over him every play just doesn't make sense to me.
 

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To me, this Ajayi trade is much more shocking than the JG trade (partly because that wasn't really shocking).

I guess you can pin it on Dolphins brass thinking this team is not a playoff contender. Rather than be stuck in the middle, get ahead of the game.

Problem is, Ajayi has one more year on his rookie contract with only $700k in salary. Sure, the $2.1m in trade/cap hit in 2018 is bigger than the $1.4m this year.

The timing just seems a bit off to me and not the general idea of getting value for Ajayi.
 

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Hmmm -- Landry's work ethic plays into the (assumed) trade?

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Adam Gase sending a message to rest of team: Play hard or face the punishment of being sent to a Super Bowl contender
 

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RBs are the easiest position to replace of any. Dolphins aren't going anywhere so why not trade off pieces of value and get back as many picks as you can? This is a good deal for both sides IMO.
Picks mean nothing when you have no ability to effectively use those picks.
On a talent bare roster, Ajayi’s value was far more than a 4th round pick, which is the equivalent of a lottery ticket for this franchise.
I understand he may not be worth more to other teams in a trade...but the point would be don’t trade him then.
There has to be something more behind the scenes...


I see the foreboding Landry posts above. I would actually understand that trade, simply because of the contract signing. I’m a fan of Landry and can appreciate what he does (he’s another actual talent and you can count on your fingers the talented guys they’ve staged the past 5 or so years), but I understand that skill set not fitting the contract size he’s wanting/expecting.
 

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30 carries for 77 yards last 2 games for Blount. Probably why Philly made the Ajayi deal.
 

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Picks mean nothing when you have no ability to effectively use those picks.
On a talent bare roster, Ajayi’s value was far more than a 4th round pick, which is the equivalent of a lottery ticket for this franchise.
I understand he may not be worth more to other teams in a trade...but the point would be don’t trade him then.
There has to be something more behind the scenes...


I see the foreboding Landry posts above. I would actually understand that trade, simply because of the contract signing. I’m a fan of Landry and can appreciate what he does (he’s another actual talent and you can count on your fingers the talented guys they’ve staged the past 5 or so years), but I understand that skill set not fitting the contract size he’s wanting/expecting.
There were reports that Ajayi became combative towards the coaching staff so there's that. RBs are a dime a dozen man. You can pick them off the scrap heap and get good value. The trade makes sense.
 

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Would love to have him back. Gillislee is no Blount, that is clear.
Flip Gillislee for a late rd pick that can be flipped for Blount.
Gillislee has a $3.5 dead cap hit this year. He salary actually goes down next year as it was 2-year front-loaded salary.

Gillislee is a 26-year old back that averaged 5.7 yards/carry as recently as last year (and the year before that too). Blount is enjoying a bit of a revival but Eagles aren't trading for Ajayi if they thought Blount was the answer.

Gillislee is not going anywhere and most likely neither Lewis nor Burkhead.
 

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Jay Ajayi isn't an elite talent is he? My general feel for him was that he's an eminently replaceable talent. There are tons of RBs in the NFL who can put up solid numbers in the right situations
 

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Hmmm -- Landry's work ethic plays into the (assumed) trade?

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Adam Gase sending a message to rest of team: Play hard or face the punishment of being sent to a Super Bowl contender

Contender? Is there a rumor of a landing spot?

There's gotta be no chance the deal him to NE, right?
 

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I would assume that post is sarcasm given how terrible Miami is. Any team he goes to is, by virtue of record, a contender.