NFC Championship Game Thread
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Seattle's punter doing the discount double check after throwing the TD pass
https://vine.co/v/OIqIXlOL0ZF
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Yeah, watching it now. I didn't see any of it live. Two biggest impressions through 2.5 quarters (just before the fake FG):Silverdude2167 said:
1) Holy shit did Seattle look horrible. I mean, I obviously knew they'd dug themselves a hole - but actually watching it, it's incredible how awful Wilson was.
2) GB planted the seeds for the loss with those 3 kicks on 4th and 1. But there was also Rodgers' huge overthrow on a wide-open Cobb before one of their FGs.
I cannot imagine being a Packer fan right now.
Garry Gilliam did the same thing after he caught that pass. Right in front of the official no less.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-cant-miss-plays/0ap3000000460176/NFC-Championship-Can-t-Miss-Play-Fake-it-til-you-make-it
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-cant-miss-plays/0ap3000000460176/NFC-Championship-Can-t-Miss-Play-Fake-it-til-you-make-it
Are you implying that the refs maybe could have or should have thrown a flag for Gilliam doing the same exact celebration that Rodgers has done countless times, just because it could be seen as "showing him up"?DanoooME said:
And if so, are you by any chance Shawne Merriman?
Dollar said:
No, I just thought it was a funny coincidence that he did it in front of the official. No conspiracy theories necessary.
Danny Kelly XLIX @FieldGulls The Seahawks called their fake field goal TD: "Charlie Brown". Jon Ryan was Lucy.
That's a horrific miss by the refs, the equivalent of missing 12 men or an insuffucient number of offensive players on the LOS.
Kyed says the rule states at least 4 on each side (which Seattle had). Confirmation on who is actually correct here?
edit - Just saw Blandino's tweet. Assuming the formation was legal.
edit - Just saw Blandino's tweet. Assuming the formation was legal.
Wait, what am I missing here?
From the NFL rules, Rule 6, Article 3(c): "At least four players of the kicking team must be on each side of the kicker."
From the NFL rules, Rule 6, Article 3(c): "At least four players of the kicking team must be on each side of the kicker."
Mystic Merlin said:
I didn't. I want Seattle removed from the Super Bowl (and the league) and Pete Carroll suspended for at least 10 seasons.
bowiac said:
I decided to do some research into Burnett's slide decision and turned it into a SoSH Central article (while also working in the Patriots' tendency to lateral the ball after turnovers). There were 450 interceptions last year; 326 of those were returned for yards (including zero and negative yards). Of the 326, 8 (2.4%) resulted in fumbles, 4 (1.2%) of which were recovered by the team that got intercepted. That's a really, really low rate. It suggests an extreme risk aversion, or a bad estimation of the likelihood of potential negative events.
Cool. The Troy Brown strip and the fumble in the Dallas game both stick in my mind - so I would have guessed the turnover rate was much higher. Especially because you can justify it by saying that defensive players don't practice protecting the football.
And this explains why Belichick coaches his guys to run the ball back.
Is the rate much higher after fumble recoveries? That might be harder to test because there's a lot of judgement call as to when the recovery stops and the runback begins.
And this explains why Belichick coaches his guys to run the ball back.
Is the rate much higher after fumble recoveries? That might be harder to test because there's a lot of judgement call as to when the recovery stops and the runback begins.
The question I've got is how many of those interceptions resulted in slides (i.e, those aren't super helpful for this analysis), but either way, the rate appears to be much lower than I expected. Good stuff.singaporesoxfan said:
bowiac said:
That's true - I did think about going deeper but the play-by-play data isn't at the level where they tell you how exactly the person advanced the ball, unfortunately.
crystalline said:
There were 262 plays that ended in fumbles in 2014. Exclude the 8 that were interceptions that resulted in fumbles by the returning team, that meant that there were 254 fumbles by the team on offense. I don't know how to break those down into fumble recoveries by the defense vs the offense, so I can't tell you how many times the defense didn't choose to advance the ball, and in any case that figure probably wouldn't be of much use since a recovering defender at the bottom of the pile on top of the ball is not going to advance the ball.
However, what I can say is that of the 254, 70 resulted in returns, which by definition is only done by the defense. Of those returns, only 3 resulted in a fumble by the returning defender. (None of the non-returned fumbles were followed by a second fumble, in case you were wondering.) It's such a low rate I can list all 3 occurrences here:
- CIN @ NE: Andy Dalton pass complete deep middle to A.J. Green for 19 yards (tackle by Darrelle Revis). A.J. Green fumbles (forced by Darrelle Revis), recovered by Jamie Collins at CIN-28 and returned for 3 yards (tackle by Giovani Bernard). Jamie Collins fumbles (forced by Giovani Bernard), recovered by Alfonzo Dennard at CIN-25 and returned for 3 yards (tackle by Giovani Bernard)
- NO @ DAL: Drew Brees pass complete short middle to Jimmy Graham for 16 yards (tackle by Rolando McClain). Jimmy Graham fumbles (forced by Rolando McClain), recovered by J.J. Wilcox at DAL-10 and returned for 11 yards (tackle by Jimmy Graham). J.J. Wilcox fumbles (forced by Jimmy Graham), recovered by Brandon Carr at DAL-23 and returned for 11 yards (tackle by Jimmy Graham)
- TAM @ ATL: Matt Ryan pass complete short right to Levine Toilolo for 13 yards (tackle by Alterraun Verner). Levine Toilolo fumbles (forced by Alterraun Verner), recovered by Mark Barron at TAM-21 and returned for 8 yards (tackle by Devin Hester). Mark Barron fumbles (forced by Devin Hester), recovered by Devin Hester at TAM-37 and returned for 8 yards (tackle by Devin Hester)